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Since both JRS and G&M never operated in good faith when they were NOT in trouble, I don't suspect we should hold our breath when they are.

Reepicheep Wrote:
Date: January 06, 2018 11:34AM
the reply was to what acesandates quote below.

Reepicheep gave an excellent reply. I think this quote and reply is worth repeating for all the newcomers to the forum whether or not they have jumped into the active discussions. I have one of many possible examples to disputes Acesandates "feelings"


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> acesandates Wrote:
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> > Lastly, in my experience and belief, I do not
> > believe JRS was a false prophet or false
> ministry,
> > money and property issues be damned. Because
> what
> > i experienced, beginning in the early 70s in
> San
> > Diego, Anaheim, Southgate, Sepulveda was the
> > return of the apostolic anointing.
Reepicheep responded:
>
> Acesandates, you seem to continue to use your
> feelings as proof of apostolic anointing. Here is
> the test for true and false prophets according to
> Jesus: Matthew 7:15-20. NIV
> “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you
> in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are
> ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will
> recognize them. Do people pick grapes from
> thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise,
> every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree
> bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad
> fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
> Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut
> down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their
> fruit you will recognize them.
>
> > Those churches were solidly packed, and the
> presence
> > of the Spirit was rich, especially during the
> Feasts.
> > For me, it was a goddamn joy and I'm thankful
> that its
> > spirit went deep into me.
>
> Not sure how the churches being "solidly packed"
> is proof of truth or anointing. There are many
> megachurches that are packed during multiple
> services every Sunday. Does that mean that they
> are teaching a true word? I doubt it. Of course,
> you can believe whatever you like about JRS, but
> that doesn't make it true. Many people who post on
> this topic here have seen their families torn
> apart and destroyed. A daughter posted about
> reading her mother's diary after she had passed
> away, and of the terrible things that she had gone
> through. People lost their life savings because
> JRS harangued members to invest in the Nevada
> mine, or the camp in Brazil, or Shiloh, or the
> school etc. This is the fruit of TLWF and JRS.


The comments of feeling that "packed services" were proof of an anointing have concerned me about discernment as has the discernment of the people who 'solidly packed' Megga Frauds such as Benny Hin who is only one example of solidly packed believers to be preyed upon. How many other TLW's "feel" the same without any real proof- simply a "feeling"?

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Benny HIn Proof of Fraud
Benny Hinn: PROOF OF FRAUD & SCAM & DIVORCE
joelx.com/pastor-benny-hinn-fraud-scam-divorce/4863
Televangelist Pastor Benny Hinn is a fraud, scam, divorcee, and cheat. Benny Hinn preys on weak-minded people to convince them he can use “faith-healing” to cure their illnesses so that they donate over $100,000,000 per year to support his extraordinarily lavish lifestyle.
[joelx.com]

JRS, then Marilyn and Gary did not use the Latter Rain teachings with "faith healing" to build their empire. ( Yes, Hinn and JRS were involved with Latter Rain- all too many frauds came out of that movement.) They were teaching other significant Latter Rain believes tho'. ( Occult basically means that the teaching is not accepted by the main stream Christianity.)

I will guess that many in TLW did not have time to Benny Hin nor the other 'in the name of Jesus illusionists' fraud who had solidly packed services televised. ( They did not miss anything.) I only watched all these TV frauds because my late father loved to watch them all- and I spent time with my dad. These charlatans were better at their "magic shows productions' than JRS was. JRS used the same techniques and anyone who gets glued to the TV or who attended a 'solidly packed service" felt something as well.

I find it interesting that many 'religious illusionists" have in common infidelity and live lavish lifestyles. They take from the poor and needy but do not really give anything except highly emotional entertainment. I believe that that is what JRS did. The invisible mantle that M & G claimed was based on the show that JRS put on- much like Benny Hin

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Benny Hin in a Nutshell
Benny Hinn in Nutshell | Benny Hinn Bible in one hand ...
godinanutshell.com/.../voices-of-honor/benny-hinn.html
Benny Hinn in Nutshell | Benny Hinn ties to the occult is exposed, fake miracles, fake healing, greed, and financial money deception. In this video, Trey Smith exposes Benny Hinn Free Mason roots and occult practices.[godinanutshell.com]

There are numerous researchers ( I have researched I Latter Rain as well) who have analyzed the teachings of JRS as "occult ties" and there are questionable financial money deceptionwithin TCLW that has needs legal investigation. (Don't forget that Gary Harves ran with the alleged mantle of JRS and how many people took that word as fact?)

WOW! Thanks ChangedAgain for re-posting the Excerpt of a post by 4generation approx three months ago:

Posted by: 4generation
Date: October 21, 2019

WOW! I missed reading your post 4generation. Thank you for sharing.

NancyB Wrote:
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> WOW! Thanks ChangedAgain for re-posting the
> Excerpt of a post by 4generation approx three
> months ago:

I like to go back in time, reread posts from various contributors, and share some of them.

This sentiment expressed by 'Road to Damascus' is shared by many here (I think):

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Road to Damascus
Date: November 09, 2019 03:14PM

Interesting how I feel that the buildings at Shiloh are being emptied, auction to be held on the 23rd and the building to be totally shut down forever. An end of an era. Amazing what feelings and reactions this is causing in me. On one hand a rejoicing and on the other a sadness at thoughts of what occurred there.

kBOY Wrote:
Date: January 28, 2020 06:57AM
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>
> The idea of ANY of these characters ever having
> their 'ministry' restored is like allowing a
> pedophile to work in the nursery. Their
> track-records as shepherds speak volumes against
> having any credibility in these areas.
>
Good point kBOY

My verbose 2 cents to add:

In order to have a background check results, a background check actually has to be run.

Even tho' a background check is run a prep has to have been reported and on the records in order to 'fail' the test. (A child molester may have committed the crime 20 to 200 times before getting "caught".)

Within The Church of the Living Word with no leadership reporting the crimes and discouraging seeking outside help -m-m-m? It is bogus to think that "no report No crime" is valid.

Whose idea was it to put the youth into such vulnerable positions to be preyed upon? I suggest that 'victims' at the time had no one trusted to report to and no way to reach an authority to report to. the young people were set up from the get-go to be "submissive", "obedient".

Listen to any recording of Gary speaking to count how many times he uses a form of the word "obey". What is any potential "victim' going to think when preyed upon by a church leader?

Babies in a nursery are dependent- they can't report. Unless nursery workers are trained to see and how to report signs and symptoms of abuse of a minor/ dependent person they are not in a position to protect any minor. This is why ALL persons working with minors and even volunteers working with minors really should be screened and take mandatory child abuse and reporting classes.

I will guess that there are numerous former volunteers from TLW who are sick in their guts after the facts knowing full well that if they had been "allowed" and had proper training that they could have stopped the abuse. It is not too late to speak up about how a child's behavior was affected. Anyone can learn the signs and symptoms on-line to better educated themselves after the fact.

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Yello Dyno Statistics on Pedophile Child Molesters
Inmates who victimized children were less likely than other inmates to have a prior criminal record-nearly 1/3 of child victimizers had never been arrested prior to the current offense, compared to less than 20% of those who victimized adults.
- BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991
"The serial killer has the same personality characteristics as the sex offender against children"
-Dr. Mace Knapp, Nevada State Prison Psychologist
Acquaintance perpetrators are the most common abusers, constituting approximately 70-90% of all reported perpetrators.
- Finkelhor, D. 1994

• 89% of child sexual assault cases involve persons known to the child, such as a caretaker or family acquaintance.
- Diana Russell Survey, 1978

Like rape, child molestation is one of the most underreported crimes: only 1-10% are ever disclosed.
- FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin
[www.yellodyno.com]

Knowing the facts helps fight the crime of abuse.

Soapbox rant by a long time mandatory reporter is done.

ChangedAgain wrote, "I like to go back in time, reread posts from various contributors, and share some of them."

Changed, You rock! Thanks.

'Going back to reread' is an excellent way to bring more clarity for all of us. For newbies who don't have time to read 1,500 pages, this is good way to focus on the most salient pieces, "we" as a group have pieced together.

Power Trip, so glad you have joined us to share your unique and common insight. I hope to read more from you.

NancyB Wrote:
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> ChangedAgain wrote, "I like to go back in time,
> reread posts from various contributors, and share
> some of them."
>
> Changed, You rock! Thanks.
>
> 'Going back to reread' is an excellent way to
> bring more clarity for all of us. For newbies who
> don't have time to read 1,500 pages, this is good
> way to focus on the most salient pieces, "we" as a
> group have pieced together.

That's true, NancyB Thanks.

An excerpt from a post by 'Paleface' (September 2013):

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: paleface
Date: September 27, 2013 09:27PM

What will the future bring to the Living Word?

If I may speculate, here's my predictions.....

I predict that with membership dropping, churches will continue to
shut down. I suspect that DC will be next, then
San Diego. SD already closed down their school which was a source of
income for them. With so little members in
place and with about 80% of tithes being sent to the APCO support
funds, there is little funds left to pay for the water
and lights, etc. Like it has always been, the local church is
squeezed hard and has little to work with. But it must be
even worse now. So probably DC, then San Diego and then, possibly
Palmer Lake and eventually Grants Pass and
Shiloh.

When these facilities shut down, the equity of the real estate has to
go somewhere, right? It would be interesting to
track where those funds go. About 10 years ago, a separate
corporation was setup by Gary and Marilyn. It had
a name like "Hargrave Family Ministries". It is G&M's nest egg. I
suspect that funds have been slowly moving
from the LW corporations over into this new corporation.

If you look at what a corporation invests in, you can get an idea of
what their true mission is. While the LW publicly
states that it is all about "preserving John's word", the actions
indicate something else. There has been quite a bit
of buying up of houses in the LA area around the church. So who holds
those titles? Do they end up being shifted over
to Hargrave Family Ministries? If they start out as LW owned and
get shifted, who will stand and oppose that kind
of action. No one. No one has the nerve to question what G&M (and
Rick Holbrook) are doing. They can do anything
they want to now. Anyone with integrity has left, been run out of the
church or forced into retirement.