Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Onion ()
Date: December 25, 2019 12:01PM

PowerTrip - You are so very welcome here and you have nothing to be ashamed of. ALL of us who were involved for long years wish we had spoken up when we could tell things were wrong. But we must not be ashamed.

The fear you describe is one of the ways they held all of us under their control. They had to keep us as prisoners because we knew so many truths about their wrong behavior and deceit. Now we are free to be joyful and to be completely FREE.

You have helped all of us by exposing the truth about Silas. I had heard rumors but now it is confirmed. I also had wondered so long WHY WHY WHY if Silas was such a good man, then why was he so supportive of Rick Holbrook who was such a terrible person in his abuse of women, wasting church money, and controlling everything and everyone. Now we know. Rick was his permission to do the same.

After Rick and Shannon got divorced, Shannon went to Shiloh. During that summer Marilyn told everyone from TLW that they must not speak to Shannon or have anything to do with her. But Shannon did the best thing and instead of withering away as I think Marilyn wanted, she fell in love with the man she has been married to for many, many years, Roy Shaw and they have a grown son who is a brilliant man.

Are you on Facebook? Shannon is on FaceBook and you can friend her so you can get in touch with her again.

Much love to you. Thank you for posting. Every person who posts gives a piece of the puzzle for all of us.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: December 25, 2019 05:16PM

P O W E R t r i p


WELCOME to the group. Like those who came before, you provide a rare behind-the-scenes glimpse for those of us who warmed the cheap seats for decades and had little to no idea of the nefarious behavior of those who claimed to be GOD's anointed.

We are very sorry to hear of your experiences and hope that you have been able to find a road to healing. Please feel free to participate on this forum (or through the FB pages mentioned previously), as you provide a unique perspective for those of us who never went to Brazil and know very little about both Silas and Mt. Zion.

All the best to you and yours.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Northerngate ()
Date: December 25, 2019 11:37PM

Powertrip
Thank you so much for your vulnerable and painful post. I’ve had hurt similar to yours but not in the JRS walk group. I came in contact with the group in Oregon briefly.

I want to say that I’ve met some amazing people here Reepicheep, kBOY, Changedagain, Onion and I know you are not alone.

We may have a few friends on Facebook, real-life friends, and neighbors, but we feel alone and unseen. Because we are hardwired for connection, disconnection always creates pain. Feeling disconnected can be a normal part of life and relationships, but when coupled with the shame of believing that we’re disconnected because we’re not worthy of connection, it creates a pain that we want to numb.

The tragedy is that the predator you mentioned are the ones who are not good enough to be in society. You ARE good enough and even more than that you are precious! All of us who have been recruited, lied to, power tripped on, abused, imprisoned, neglected and made to feel unworthy......we are precious!!!

I’m so thankful you are here
Melissa Saulnier - NorthernGate



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Onion ()
Date: December 26, 2019 01:59PM

As I clean out files from 2019, sometimes I find notes that may be interesting. For example:

Rick Holbrook DOB 4-3-1960

Wife #1 DOB 9-3-1960

Wife #2 DOB 11-19-1964

Wife #3 DOB 8-4-1970

Wife #4 DOB 3-6-81

Wife #5? Anyone's guess

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: December 26, 2019 11:13PM

Onion Wrote:
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As I clean out files from 2019, sometimes I find notes that may be interesting. For example:

Rick Holbrook DOB 4-3-1960

Wife #1 DOB 9-3-1960

Wife #2 DOB 11-19-1964

Wife #3 DOB 8-4-1970

Wife #4 DOB 3-6-81

Wife #5? Anyone's guess

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As I ponder the above, I hope that the demise of: The Christmas Truck, the amphitheater and its shows, The Living Word Building (hopefully), the access to unlimited funds and the conscription of a small army of leaders and followers covering up his dirty deeds, Ricky Boy will not have the means at his disposal to groom more victims/wives. But anybody who still thinks that it is a good idea to hitch their wagon to his exploding star would do well to KEEP THEIR CHILDREN THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM!

Merry Christmas to all the survivors of this cruel seventy year hoax.




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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: December 27, 2019 01:04AM

"Merry Christmas to all the survivors of this cruel seventy year hoax."

Y E S. That's RIGHT. A M E N.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: December 27, 2019 01:09PM

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Posted by: PowerTrip
Date: December 24, 2019 12:03PM

I read a lot of the posts and comments and because I was part of this so called “inner circle” as a consequence of my relationship with Silas I feel ashamed for not saying anything in the past. He basically isolated me and controlled every single aspect of my life.

Dear PowerTrip,

You have nothing to feel ashamed about. The kind of mind games and isolation tactics that were done to you by Silas Esteves can really be hard to overcome. Thank you so much for speaking up now, though. Although the information you shared is shocking, it is an important piece of the overall picture. Knowledge is power. I hope that your life is much more peaceful now. Much love and healing to you.



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: December 27, 2019 07:09PM

Decades of sexual abuse by ministries close to Gary, yet he seems to have been unaware of it. However, he did apologize for not listening to the Holy Spirit, and allegedly tore down religious hierarchy--so I suppose that is a start toward accepting some responsibility. /s
Thank you PowerTrip for adding yet another (significant) piece to this puzzle of the sordid history of TLWF/Walk. Sorry for what you had to endure, and welcome to this forum.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: puddington ()
Date: December 27, 2019 10:08PM

PowerTrip. Thank you for your posts. Welcome to the forum. Your testimony is very much valued here.

About two years ago, someone suggested to me that Silas had been abusing young women in the congregations. I remember that I had difficulty believing it. Silas has always been sold to us as such a good guy. An apostle of love and kindness.

But your testimony changes that for me. The veil has been lifted and the true Silas has been revealed. Here is a man who uses his spiritual authority and power to seduce women and children. And the odds are he is still doing it.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: 4generation ()
Date: December 28, 2019 12:28AM

Welcome Powertrip, so good to see annother brazilian posting here.


Unfortunately what you shared with us is not a surprise to me and only shows how deceived we have been for decades in this church.

For me who was born into this cult and spent years serving these "men of God," cleaning their homes, serving food, and supporting them and their bs, it is devastating to know the truth only now.

The worst for me is seeing that there are people still supporting these leaders, as spiritual leaders and literally denying all the evidences and accusations made. To me this is the proof that religion makes people ignorant and unreasonable, because it makes no sense to continue to preach a doctrine of forgiveness that only favors abusive leaders and forgets the victims and those whose lives were destroyed by them.

I'm ready to forgive, that's not the point. But at least tell me what I'm forgiving you for. Because so far you haven't talked about what you regret.

Silas, should I forgive you for the moral, sexual and emotional abuse committed? Or the authoritarianism and control of people's lives through lies, deception and manipulation?

And you Gary, in your letter you said that you regret because you did not hear the voice of the Holy Spirit. But in what you did not hear HIm? In the covering up the crimes committed by the leadership you have established? Or getting involved with Marylin sexually with John's death? Or in creating a system and a doctrine that idolizes man instead of God?

Leaving everything in the field of subjectivity makes us continue to play that game "truth or consequences". The problem is that so far the truth has not been spoken and we have only lived with the consequences of everything that has happened.

My goal here is not to judge or to see them under the bars because of the crimes committed, thats not my role, there is a legal system for that, but my hope is to at least see some maturity and some balls from you to rise up like freaking mans and tell us the damn truth. And please dont give me that "bitterness" bullshit talk, we've heard you for decades and now you want to hide?

I know both of you check this forum everyday, so what do you think about send a public statement telling what happened? Lets take this to the social media instead of hiding from it? Silas can use one of his podcasts to talk about it and explain it to us, to his political friends or his catholics bishops. Or Gary can do it right from Jerusalem with his rabbis.

We all want to move on with our lives and forgive and do everything we need to do to continue in our peronal walk with God. But as the Bible said: "the truth will set you free".. here we are waiting for the truth, for the change, to be heard and to stop pretending that these sins, abuses and actions are "normal" and thats okay to live that way. No more, never again, and regarding the abuses and the lies, there is no way to ever forget!

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