Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
Concerned Oz
()
Date: July 26, 2004 01:19PM
Coz - good detective work!
Yes, this is the LGAT course [www.trainforwealth.com]
From your links posted, I have also edited my origianal post to include the mastermind of "Money and You", Marshall Thurber, atterney and entrepreneur [www.thinksmart.com]
So it looks like Marshall Thurber, Blair Singer and Robert Kiyosaki are still very much alive and kicking in the Human Potental Movement.
Here is also a link to the Buckminster Fuller Institute, one of the main sources for "Money and You"
[www.bfi.org]
All that is left to do is to trace the ABC Channel 2, "4 Corners" expose on Kiyosaki from 1993...
Oz
Yes, this is the LGAT course [www.trainforwealth.com]
From your links posted, I have also edited my origianal post to include the mastermind of "Money and You", Marshall Thurber, atterney and entrepreneur [www.thinksmart.com]
So it looks like Marshall Thurber, Blair Singer and Robert Kiyosaki are still very much alive and kicking in the Human Potental Movement.
Here is also a link to the Buckminster Fuller Institute, one of the main sources for "Money and You"
[www.bfi.org]
All that is left to do is to trace the ABC Channel 2, "4 Corners" expose on Kiyosaki from 1993...
Oz
Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
Cosmophilospher
()
Date: July 27, 2004 04:54AM
Hi there Oz, great stuff.
I only want to make one point of clarification, for personal reasons.
Buckminster Fuller is a man who's work I have studied for many years. I have literally read all of his books.
What has happened, is some jackasses have taken Bucky's work, and totally perverted it in an attempt to gain credibility.
Buckminster Fuller was the designer of the Geodesic Dome, and he was also a Philosopher, and basically a good old fashioned Genius. He was out to do work to genuinely benefit humanity, even at great cost to himself.
As far as wealth, Bucky had some controversial and fascinating ideas that have been perverted by people like Kiyosaki. I was sickened to hear him quote him.
In Bucky's books Spaceship Earth, and Critical Path, and others, he discusses how the earth has enough renewable energy sources for all people to live at a good standard of living. (He was talking solar, wind, geothermal, creating a global energy grid, and many other ideas. One could give a 5 hour lecture about what Bucky had to say about this, but Bucky said that there is enough energy and "wealth" (as defined by him), to support all of humanity at a high standard of living.
Now these sleaze artists come along, and pervert his ideas, and then claim you can be rich, and Bucky proved it.
The reality is that Bucky said the EXACT OPPOSITE. In his chapter "Legally Piggilly", he destroys the Finance-Capitalists and what they have done, and basically calls them pirates and parasites.
So, anyway, this is not the subject of this thread, EXCEPT that Kiyosaki and his ilk are perverting the ideas of Bucky, and using his name for credibility. I have had some dealings with BFI, and they are good people, and have NOTHING to do with these charlatans.
I could write 1000 pages about Bucky, but BFI, and Bucky have NOTHING to do with these weasels. Bucky said that if we do things right, then the world can work for EVERYBODY. Bucky was basically a "socialist" with "Green" style leanings, a pacifist, but also an extreme Technologist, in the best possible sense of the word. He believed Science could be used to SERVE humanity, and not destroy the world. (he wanted to Design Tech that was "Green", and 100% renewable. He has a lot of very complex ideas along these lines which were original, and i have NOT summed them up properly here!).
He was totally opposed to so-called "Capitalism".
So they have twisted his ideas to suit their own greed.
Bucky was opposed to cults, and all this garbage.
He is about Trusting your OWN thinking, and thinking for yourself. Anyway, as you can see, Bucky was one of my "teachers" in book form, and the guy was legit. (yet still a flawed human, like all of us).
The guy changed my life in a great way. He was a legit Genius, and he also made lots of intellectual mistakes. But he was also a Philosopher, and us philosophers makes lots of mistakes!
BFI was set up to manage his archives, and to try to figure out ways for humanity to succeed. In my view they are totally legit. Unless someday some sleaze artist takes it over somehow.
[www.bfi.org]
But BFi was set up by his daughter, Allegra Fuller Snyder. [www.bfi.org]
Bucky is hard to read, and takes time to understand. But he has nothing to do with "nothing down" Real Estate! :D :shock:
If Bucky were alive he could write a one-page expose on these two bit conmen, and their "tax strategies" to get rich, etc. As a matter of fact, he called them Fin-Cap, (Finance Capitalists) and wrote a lot about how these people were wrecking the planet.
Again, I’ll say it, Bucky's ideas are literally the exact opposite of what these conmen are saying. Bucky's ideas, if followed, could make you end up working for a non-profit org, or an NGO, and he encourages people to NOT seek personal enrichment, but to serve humanity in your own way, using your natural skills. Bucky ideas are not about getting rich, but are about trying to do your part to make the world a better place.
Anyway, I’ve gotten a little excited here!
But Bucky is great stuff, and it ticks me off to see these sleaze artists, pervert his ideas.
But, such is life!
(Actually, i think i might contact BFI, about them setting up a page on their website showing how Bucky has nothing to do with those types of sleaze artists!)
Coz
I only want to make one point of clarification, for personal reasons.
Buckminster Fuller is a man who's work I have studied for many years. I have literally read all of his books.
What has happened, is some jackasses have taken Bucky's work, and totally perverted it in an attempt to gain credibility.
Buckminster Fuller was the designer of the Geodesic Dome, and he was also a Philosopher, and basically a good old fashioned Genius. He was out to do work to genuinely benefit humanity, even at great cost to himself.
As far as wealth, Bucky had some controversial and fascinating ideas that have been perverted by people like Kiyosaki. I was sickened to hear him quote him.
In Bucky's books Spaceship Earth, and Critical Path, and others, he discusses how the earth has enough renewable energy sources for all people to live at a good standard of living. (He was talking solar, wind, geothermal, creating a global energy grid, and many other ideas. One could give a 5 hour lecture about what Bucky had to say about this, but Bucky said that there is enough energy and "wealth" (as defined by him), to support all of humanity at a high standard of living.
Now these sleaze artists come along, and pervert his ideas, and then claim you can be rich, and Bucky proved it.
The reality is that Bucky said the EXACT OPPOSITE. In his chapter "Legally Piggilly", he destroys the Finance-Capitalists and what they have done, and basically calls them pirates and parasites.
So, anyway, this is not the subject of this thread, EXCEPT that Kiyosaki and his ilk are perverting the ideas of Bucky, and using his name for credibility. I have had some dealings with BFI, and they are good people, and have NOTHING to do with these charlatans.
I could write 1000 pages about Bucky, but BFI, and Bucky have NOTHING to do with these weasels. Bucky said that if we do things right, then the world can work for EVERYBODY. Bucky was basically a "socialist" with "Green" style leanings, a pacifist, but also an extreme Technologist, in the best possible sense of the word. He believed Science could be used to SERVE humanity, and not destroy the world. (he wanted to Design Tech that was "Green", and 100% renewable. He has a lot of very complex ideas along these lines which were original, and i have NOT summed them up properly here!).
He was totally opposed to so-called "Capitalism".
So they have twisted his ideas to suit their own greed.
Bucky was opposed to cults, and all this garbage.
He is about Trusting your OWN thinking, and thinking for yourself. Anyway, as you can see, Bucky was one of my "teachers" in book form, and the guy was legit. (yet still a flawed human, like all of us).
The guy changed my life in a great way. He was a legit Genius, and he also made lots of intellectual mistakes. But he was also a Philosopher, and us philosophers makes lots of mistakes!
BFI was set up to manage his archives, and to try to figure out ways for humanity to succeed. In my view they are totally legit. Unless someday some sleaze artist takes it over somehow.
[www.bfi.org]
But BFi was set up by his daughter, Allegra Fuller Snyder. [www.bfi.org]
Bucky is hard to read, and takes time to understand. But he has nothing to do with "nothing down" Real Estate! :D :shock:
If Bucky were alive he could write a one-page expose on these two bit conmen, and their "tax strategies" to get rich, etc. As a matter of fact, he called them Fin-Cap, (Finance Capitalists) and wrote a lot about how these people were wrecking the planet.
Again, I’ll say it, Bucky's ideas are literally the exact opposite of what these conmen are saying. Bucky's ideas, if followed, could make you end up working for a non-profit org, or an NGO, and he encourages people to NOT seek personal enrichment, but to serve humanity in your own way, using your natural skills. Bucky ideas are not about getting rich, but are about trying to do your part to make the world a better place.
Anyway, I’ve gotten a little excited here!
But Bucky is great stuff, and it ticks me off to see these sleaze artists, pervert his ideas.
But, such is life!
(Actually, i think i might contact BFI, about them setting up a page on their website showing how Bucky has nothing to do with those types of sleaze artists!)
Coz
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Concerned Oz
Here is also a link to the Buckminster Fuller Institute, one of the main sources for "Money and You"
[www.bfi.org]
Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
Concerned Oz
()
Date: July 27, 2004 05:07AM
Hi Coz - Thanks for picking this up.
Kiyosaki et al definately used Bucky and Deming for credibility. The same tactics are being employed now by Kiyosaki establishing himself as a minstream best selling author.
One thing we need to be careful of on this board is condemnation by association. I put Marshall Thurber in this class too as I don't know much about him other than he was the architect of "Money and You".
Oz
Kiyosaki et al definately used Bucky and Deming for credibility. The same tactics are being employed now by Kiyosaki establishing himself as a minstream best selling author.
One thing we need to be careful of on this board is condemnation by association. I put Marshall Thurber in this class too as I don't know much about him other than he was the architect of "Money and You".
Oz
Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
Cosmophilospher
()
Date: July 27, 2004 06:12AM
Yes, thats a good point.
It works both ways.
Guilt by association.
My GUESS is that the people these types of folks are openly talking about are the people who they are using for their own benefit. (Deming, Adam Smith, Jesus, God, etc)
Its the people they are NOT talking about that are probably more important! Like the guys they learned the Mind Control Techniques from!
I think this stuff has to be taken on a case by case basis.
Even Bucky needs to be criticized for his errors, of which he had many.
Coz
It works both ways.
Guilt by association.
My GUESS is that the people these types of folks are openly talking about are the people who they are using for their own benefit. (Deming, Adam Smith, Jesus, God, etc)
Its the people they are NOT talking about that are probably more important! Like the guys they learned the Mind Control Techniques from!
I think this stuff has to be taken on a case by case basis.
Even Bucky needs to be criticized for his errors, of which he had many.
Coz
Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
Concerned Oz
()
Date: July 29, 2004 07:13PM
Thanks Coz for digging this information up. Through this info you passed on to me through mail, I have incidently discovered who trained who in the LGAT zoo. Interesting too that [b:74a23f4c00]Anthony Robins [/b:74a23f4c00]was trained by [b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber[/b:74a23f4c00]!
Let me preface the following with a reminder of my last post, that a person is not guilty by association.
According to this link, ededge [www.ededge.com]
[b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber[/b:74a23f4c00] is a "friend and colleague of both the late [b:74a23f4c00]Dr. W. Edwards Deming[/b:74a23f4c00], the legendary "Father of Quality Control in Japan" and the late [b:74a23f4c00]R. Buckminster Fuller[/b:74a23f4c00]. Much of Marshall’s teaching is based on the principles and theories of these two great minds."
The bio continues on stating that [b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber's[/b:74a23f4c00] many students include peak performance coach [b:74a23f4c00]Tony Robbins [/b:74a23f4c00]and Rich Dad, Poor Dad author and financial educator [b:74a23f4c00]Robert Kiyosaki[/b:74a23f4c00].
It also confirms what I know from personal experience that [b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber[/b:74a23f4c00] is the creator of [b:74a23f4c00]Money and You [/b:74a23f4c00]and Powerful Presentations, the LGATs that I experienced back in 1991, presented by [b:74a23f4c00]Robert Kiyosaki[/b:74a23f4c00].
So [b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber[/b:74a23f4c00] trained [b:74a23f4c00]Anthony Robins [/b:74a23f4c00]and [b:74a23f4c00]Robert Kiyosaki [/b:74a23f4c00]and created the LGATs that Kiyosaki presented in the late 1980's to early 1990's.
Thurber also co-founded the Burklyn Business School in Vermont with DC Cordova, (I recall her from 1991): [www.empoweredwealth.com]
A quote from this link: "In the late 1970s, Thurber co-founded the Burklyn Business School in Vermont. It was designed to teach both the global principles of cooperation he learned from Dr. R. Buckminster Fuller and the [b:74a23f4c00]contextual principles of the human potential movement[/b:74a23f4c00]. These had been demonstrated in his own businesses. By utilizing Superlearning Technologies™ (for maximum memory retention), simulations, music, and graphics, Thurber’s teaching is known for being powerfully effective, fun, memorable and leading edge"
I recall from "Money and You" that the Burklyn Business School was promoted by providing residentail camps for Teenagers along the lines of an LGAT.
The following link is Excellorated Business Schools that trains Money and You Presenters like Kiyosaki: [www.excellerated.com]
From the same site is the promo for the Instructors Course
[www.excellerated.com]
which states that Marshall Thurber learned the SuperLearning Technology from the "master" himself, [b:74a23f4c00]Dr. Georgi Lozanov[/b:74a23f4c00]. Dr Lozanov was a Bulgarian psychologist - bingo.
You can read about him here. These were the techniques used amoung others, (intimidation, sleep depreviation etc), used in Kiyosaki et al's "Money and You" : [www.kb.com.au]
[b:74a23f4c00]In summarising[/b:74a23f4c00], the ancestry of the psychological techniques uncovered and deployed are:
1. [b:74a23f4c00]Dr. Georgi Lozanov[/b:74a23f4c00] (psychologist) - SuperLearning
2. [b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber[/b:74a23f4c00] (trained by Dr. Georgi Lozanov) & [b:74a23f4c00]DC Cordova[/b:74a23f4c00] - Burklyn Business School / Excellorated Business Schools - Creator of Money and You LGATs
3. [b:74a23f4c00]Robert Kiyosaki[/b:74a23f4c00] (ex Scientologist) & [b:74a23f4c00]Anthony Robins[/b:74a23f4c00] (NLP) - [b:74a23f4c00]trained by Marshall Thurber [/b:74a23f4c00]
Oz
Let me preface the following with a reminder of my last post, that a person is not guilty by association.
According to this link, ededge [www.ededge.com]
[b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber[/b:74a23f4c00] is a "friend and colleague of both the late [b:74a23f4c00]Dr. W. Edwards Deming[/b:74a23f4c00], the legendary "Father of Quality Control in Japan" and the late [b:74a23f4c00]R. Buckminster Fuller[/b:74a23f4c00]. Much of Marshall’s teaching is based on the principles and theories of these two great minds."
The bio continues on stating that [b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber's[/b:74a23f4c00] many students include peak performance coach [b:74a23f4c00]Tony Robbins [/b:74a23f4c00]and Rich Dad, Poor Dad author and financial educator [b:74a23f4c00]Robert Kiyosaki[/b:74a23f4c00].
It also confirms what I know from personal experience that [b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber[/b:74a23f4c00] is the creator of [b:74a23f4c00]Money and You [/b:74a23f4c00]and Powerful Presentations, the LGATs that I experienced back in 1991, presented by [b:74a23f4c00]Robert Kiyosaki[/b:74a23f4c00].
So [b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber[/b:74a23f4c00] trained [b:74a23f4c00]Anthony Robins [/b:74a23f4c00]and [b:74a23f4c00]Robert Kiyosaki [/b:74a23f4c00]and created the LGATs that Kiyosaki presented in the late 1980's to early 1990's.
Thurber also co-founded the Burklyn Business School in Vermont with DC Cordova, (I recall her from 1991): [www.empoweredwealth.com]
A quote from this link: "In the late 1970s, Thurber co-founded the Burklyn Business School in Vermont. It was designed to teach both the global principles of cooperation he learned from Dr. R. Buckminster Fuller and the [b:74a23f4c00]contextual principles of the human potential movement[/b:74a23f4c00]. These had been demonstrated in his own businesses. By utilizing Superlearning Technologies™ (for maximum memory retention), simulations, music, and graphics, Thurber’s teaching is known for being powerfully effective, fun, memorable and leading edge"
I recall from "Money and You" that the Burklyn Business School was promoted by providing residentail camps for Teenagers along the lines of an LGAT.
The following link is Excellorated Business Schools that trains Money and You Presenters like Kiyosaki: [www.excellerated.com]
From the same site is the promo for the Instructors Course
[www.excellerated.com]
which states that Marshall Thurber learned the SuperLearning Technology from the "master" himself, [b:74a23f4c00]Dr. Georgi Lozanov[/b:74a23f4c00]. Dr Lozanov was a Bulgarian psychologist - bingo.
You can read about him here. These were the techniques used amoung others, (intimidation, sleep depreviation etc), used in Kiyosaki et al's "Money and You" : [www.kb.com.au]
[b:74a23f4c00]In summarising[/b:74a23f4c00], the ancestry of the psychological techniques uncovered and deployed are:
1. [b:74a23f4c00]Dr. Georgi Lozanov[/b:74a23f4c00] (psychologist) - SuperLearning
2. [b:74a23f4c00]Marshall Thurber[/b:74a23f4c00] (trained by Dr. Georgi Lozanov) & [b:74a23f4c00]DC Cordova[/b:74a23f4c00] - Burklyn Business School / Excellorated Business Schools - Creator of Money and You LGATs
3. [b:74a23f4c00]Robert Kiyosaki[/b:74a23f4c00] (ex Scientologist) & [b:74a23f4c00]Anthony Robins[/b:74a23f4c00] (NLP) - [b:74a23f4c00]trained by Marshall Thurber [/b:74a23f4c00]
Oz
Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
Concerned Oz
()
Date: July 29, 2004 07:35PM
Dr Lozanov's technique is "Suggestopedia" drawn from Yoga and involves the use of rhythm to invoke suggestion and auto-suggestion. Sounds like Mind-control to me. Lozanov chose baroque music rhythms as suggestive means and I recall Pacabell's Kanon played heavily during "Money and You"
Corboy - Are you acquanted with Lozanov's work? I feel some healing is happening for me as I am now finding out how Kiyosaki used Mind control on me 13 years ago.
Oz
Corboy - Are you acquanted with Lozanov's work? I feel some healing is happening for me as I am now finding out how Kiyosaki used Mind control on me 13 years ago.
Oz
Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: July 29, 2004 09:35PM
no, I never heard of Lozanov's work until now.
This is all excellent stuff.
That music you refer to--the composer's name is spelled Pachelbel.
There is one piece often attributed to Pachelbel but often confused with another composition by Albernoni. Both compositions would be just the thing to manipulate emotions--they're heartbreaking. And, its probably no coincidence that both became famous as movie scores.
(quote) Some may even be familiar to movie watchers: Baroque composer Johann Pachelbel’s famous Canon was heard in Robert Redford’s 1980 film “[i:9ce5d110e3]Ordinary People[/i:9ce5d110e3],” and Tomaso Albinoni’s Adagio in G Minor was heard -- with heart-rending effect -- in Peter Weir’s film “[i:9ce5d110e3]Gallipoli[/i:9ce5d110e3].”
[www.epinions.com]
OZ, you probably saw [i:9ce5d110e3]Gallipoli [/i:9ce5d110e3]so you can tell if that Albinoni composition was the the same music they used during your LGAT.
Spiritual exploitation is when an experience is orchestrated that touches our depths, while simultaneously our critical thinking is disabled. Then when we are rendered soulfully vulnerable, our wallets and hearts are plundered.
There's one fine thing in it--triggering feelings of bliss and soulfulness, but these fine experiences are covertly linked to a hurtful bundle of techniques that cut you off from critical thinking and exploit your emotions and finances on a long term basis.
This is all excellent stuff.
That music you refer to--the composer's name is spelled Pachelbel.
There is one piece often attributed to Pachelbel but often confused with another composition by Albernoni. Both compositions would be just the thing to manipulate emotions--they're heartbreaking. And, its probably no coincidence that both became famous as movie scores.
(quote) Some may even be familiar to movie watchers: Baroque composer Johann Pachelbel’s famous Canon was heard in Robert Redford’s 1980 film “[i:9ce5d110e3]Ordinary People[/i:9ce5d110e3],” and Tomaso Albinoni’s Adagio in G Minor was heard -- with heart-rending effect -- in Peter Weir’s film “[i:9ce5d110e3]Gallipoli[/i:9ce5d110e3].”
[www.epinions.com]
OZ, you probably saw [i:9ce5d110e3]Gallipoli [/i:9ce5d110e3]so you can tell if that Albinoni composition was the the same music they used during your LGAT.
Spiritual exploitation is when an experience is orchestrated that touches our depths, while simultaneously our critical thinking is disabled. Then when we are rendered soulfully vulnerable, our wallets and hearts are plundered.
There's one fine thing in it--triggering feelings of bliss and soulfulness, but these fine experiences are covertly linked to a hurtful bundle of techniques that cut you off from critical thinking and exploit your emotions and finances on a long term basis.
Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
Concerned Oz
()
Date: July 30, 2004 09:15AM
An example of Pachelbel's Kanon, (Canon) is: [www.timelife.com]
I hope it plays for you.
The "Money and You" room was like a modern hotel auditorium. Aircond was adjusted during the afternoon and night to keep us awake - it was very cold. The room was kept very clean. The presenter, (Kiyosaki), worked the room from the stage. He was charasmatic until someone questioned him - that person being ridiculed first by him and then by the group. The stage was furnished with a flip chart stand and a pot plant. The flip chart paper would be posted on the walls progressively through the 3 day weekend with lessons on it. Words such as "Love, Integrity, Trust, Truth, Courage, Timing, Synergy, Leverage" were scribed with keys drawn on them, symbolisiing the keys to universal truths or in "Money and You" speak, "Generalised Principles".
[b:b2292cc8b5]Mind control was used through the following:[/b:b2292cc8b5]
1. Principles of Dr. Georgi Lozanov's Suggestopedia mixed with Scientology techniques and Landmark Education techniques and games
2. Sleep Deprivation - 9:am to midnight -1am for 3 days
3. Manipulation of aircond to keep people uncomfortable and awake
4. A mixture of Presenter charasmatic personality and intimidation to keep people confused and in line
5. Confusing games to create doubt and fear
Oz
I hope it plays for you.
The "Money and You" room was like a modern hotel auditorium. Aircond was adjusted during the afternoon and night to keep us awake - it was very cold. The room was kept very clean. The presenter, (Kiyosaki), worked the room from the stage. He was charasmatic until someone questioned him - that person being ridiculed first by him and then by the group. The stage was furnished with a flip chart stand and a pot plant. The flip chart paper would be posted on the walls progressively through the 3 day weekend with lessons on it. Words such as "Love, Integrity, Trust, Truth, Courage, Timing, Synergy, Leverage" were scribed with keys drawn on them, symbolisiing the keys to universal truths or in "Money and You" speak, "Generalised Principles".
[b:b2292cc8b5]Mind control was used through the following:[/b:b2292cc8b5]
1. Principles of Dr. Georgi Lozanov's Suggestopedia mixed with Scientology techniques and Landmark Education techniques and games
2. Sleep Deprivation - 9:am to midnight -1am for 3 days
3. Manipulation of aircond to keep people uncomfortable and awake
4. A mixture of Presenter charasmatic personality and intimidation to keep people confused and in line
5. Confusing games to create doubt and fear
Oz
Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
Hope
()
Date: July 30, 2004 07:52PM
[i:f2eb9a8bbe][b:f2eb9a8bbe]Spiritual exploitation is when an experience is orchestrated that touches our depths, while simultaneously our critical thinking is disabled through shame, word games, peer pressure, sleep deficit. Then when we are rendered soulfully vulnerable, our wallets and hearts are plundered.
Thats the LGAT cocktail. There's one fine thing in it--triggering feelings of bliss and soulfulness, but these fine experiences are covertly linked to a hurtful bundle of techniques that cut you off from critical thinking and exploit your emotions and finances on a long term basis. [/b:f2eb9a8bbe][/i:f2eb9a8bbe]
Excellent summation.
I was watching reruns of the Billy Graham Crusades one night (my mother and I went to some of these when I was a kid) and remember the feeling of elation after singing several hymns. The music, the oxygen rush from breathing, then the beautiful choir music all led into the sermon and then the "surrender". It's formulaic.
Thats the LGAT cocktail. There's one fine thing in it--triggering feelings of bliss and soulfulness, but these fine experiences are covertly linked to a hurtful bundle of techniques that cut you off from critical thinking and exploit your emotions and finances on a long term basis. [/b:f2eb9a8bbe][/i:f2eb9a8bbe]
Excellent summation.
I was watching reruns of the Billy Graham Crusades one night (my mother and I went to some of these when I was a kid) and remember the feeling of elation after singing several hymns. The music, the oxygen rush from breathing, then the beautiful choir music all led into the sermon and then the "surrender". It's formulaic.
Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki Exposed
Posted by:
Cosmophilospher
()
Date: August 04, 2004 05:57AM
Bucky coined the term "Generalized Principle" as another way of saying "Law Of Nature". So the laws of Gravitation, Entropy, Law of Conservation of Energy, etc. all LEGIT scientific ideas were explained as Generalized Principles. (Bucky also coined his own terms like Syntropy, Synergetics, etc. )
Bucky was 100% opposed to starting out with what is called "a priori" ideas, that is, ideas that cannot be verified or disproven, and that is EXACTLY what they were doing there!
So I mention this, as its a good example of how they took a valid idea from Bucky, and then literally turned it into its opposite!
That must be a technique of Thought Reform.
Take a complex idea from a "famous Genius" so you get Credibility, use the same word he used, but totally pervert and change the MEANING and usage of that word to whatever suits the Cult Leader's interests.
Actually, this is what TM, and many other culties do when they talk about "Quantum Physics" or "Einstein's Theory of Relativity".
They take a legit idea from science, use the famous persons name, and they KNOW that no one in their audience actually knows what the original idea is all about, so they change its meaning to suit their purposes. TM does this like crazy, and I do mean crazy.
This is what they did with Bucky as well. (except he is not as famous as Einstein, so that's why Einstein is "better to use". Its also good if the Genius is dead, so he can't attack or sue you!)
These guys must be working from a Manual.
Is there a Mind Control Cult Leaders Manual out there? I am only partially joking. If someone knows of one, could they PM me about its name?
Coz
Bucky was 100% opposed to starting out with what is called "a priori" ideas, that is, ideas that cannot be verified or disproven, and that is EXACTLY what they were doing there!
So I mention this, as its a good example of how they took a valid idea from Bucky, and then literally turned it into its opposite!
That must be a technique of Thought Reform.
Take a complex idea from a "famous Genius" so you get Credibility, use the same word he used, but totally pervert and change the MEANING and usage of that word to whatever suits the Cult Leader's interests.
Actually, this is what TM, and many other culties do when they talk about "Quantum Physics" or "Einstein's Theory of Relativity".
They take a legit idea from science, use the famous persons name, and they KNOW that no one in their audience actually knows what the original idea is all about, so they change its meaning to suit their purposes. TM does this like crazy, and I do mean crazy.
This is what they did with Bucky as well. (except he is not as famous as Einstein, so that's why Einstein is "better to use". Its also good if the Genius is dead, so he can't attack or sue you!)
These guys must be working from a Manual.
Is there a Mind Control Cult Leaders Manual out there? I am only partially joking. If someone knows of one, could they PM me about its name?
Coz
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Words such as "Love, Integrity, Trust, Truth, Courage, Timing, Synergy, Leverage" were scribed with keys drawn on them, symbolisiing the keys to universal truths or in "Money and You" speak, "Generalised Principles".
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