I gues where I have trouble is with what we consider honor. why is it things money, cars ,motorcycles, material things, somehow slowly we have been lured into the blief thats what honor his, Someone told me the other day how much they appreciated me, how I've encouraged them and they respect me. Wow now thats honor even now as I write this my heart is warmed by it but things they just get old they lose thier luster money gets spent the lawn grows back, it seems that the world honors with, perhisable things but thats not what we were taught by Jesus. He washed thier feet not gave them fifty bucks and said thanks. He loved them, what and honor that must be. To be loved by God true you cant ride down the street looking good and taking pride in your possession, but isnt this about the heart.If you want to be great humble yourself, I have honesty never seen humility from tony. He reminded me of the guys who love to sit in the front row praying for others to see in thier fine robes with bell on them .

Evening All,
someone pointed this passage out to me today and I thought I would share. I have shared in the past that unfortunately, RLc in Sacramento is not the only place in the U.S. or world where the expository light of truth is being shone on what has grown dark... it is foretold that this will happen more and more where hired hands will have their true colors exposed and revealed to the flocks. Be diligent in learning the voice of the One True Shepherd, testing the teachings of those in leadership against the Word of the Lord. Love, health and peace to you all.

2nd Timothy 3:1-9:
1)But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2)People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3)without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4)treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5)having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
6)They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7)always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8)Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9)But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

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I gues where I have trouble is with what we consider honor. why is it things money, cars ,motorcycles, material things, somehow slowly we have been lured into the blief thats what honor his, Someone told me the other day how much they appreciated me, how I've encouraged them and they respect me. Wow now thats honor even now as I write this my heart is warmed by it but things they just get old they lose thier luster money gets spent the lawn grows back, it seems that the world honors with, perhisable things but thats not what we were taught by Jesus. He washed thier feet not gave them fifty bucks and said thanks. He loved them, what and honor that must be. To be loved by God true you cant ride down the street looking good and taking pride in your possession, but isnt this about the heart.If you want to be great humble yourself, I have honesty never seen humility from tony. He reminded me of the guys who love to sit in the front row praying for others to see in thier fine robes with bell on them .

I am going to chime in on this one for a minute and I hope I can make some sense. nooneofanyimportace I am so with what you are saying. My at RLc was confusing though because the exact opposite was taught and acted out all the way up the line of leaderhsip. It was not enough to respect Tony you had to bless him with a special offering at SoMa or whatever.

Here's what I have to saya about honor. The bible says to honor our mother and father which incidently many at RLC have conveniently chosen to ingnore because of Tony's manipulation. When the bible speaks of honoring our mother and father I do not believe I have ever seen any interpretations that speak of honoring them with material things. How can we honor our mother and father or anyone for that matter? We can honor them by respecting them. We can honor them by loving them despite their faults and downfalls. We can honor them by obeying them until we are of adult age. We can honor them of speaking well of them. We can honor them by acknowledging what they have done for us. Now I understand that there are many situations out there were parents have not been good to their kids and honor may not be due. I am not sure how honor fits in these situations but I am certain it has nothing to do with money, cars, babies, or anything else material. Also, honor in the military has nothing to do with material things. Honor in the has to do with obedience, bravery, and respect. Obedience should never be tied into material things, ie you are obedient and honoring me because you are giving things to me.

I have had much experience as a coach. I have coached boys and men anywhere from 5 years old to to 23 years old. For me, the greatest esteem and honor I could have or feel is when a kid I have coached or a parent comes up to me and makes an extra effort to tell me that what I have done has been appreciated and that I have done a good job. This has shown me far more honor than any material gift such as a gift certificate of coffe mug or whatever.

Honor to me is related closely to respect. I may be biblically off on this but I really do not think so. I hope I made sense. I gever far too many things and spent far too much money at Radiant Life believing I was honoring my pastor, discipler, ministry leader, the church, or Tony. I was one of those fools who went up to the alter one time after one of Tonys multi level marketing type sermons and threw all my cash on the altar. I dont mind giving to the church but I was being manipulated. Tony should be selling amway.

hey whatajoke and worship_big Wassup?

As I read the string concerning honoring, and how it went awry at RLC, I am suddenly reminded of the scripture Mark 7: 6-13 part of it goes
"but you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ' whatever help you might otherwise have recieved from me is Corban' (that is a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that"

As I read that I am reminded of adult children who through the teaching of SOMA and other places were taught to tell their natural parents that they were "filthy rags", and they no longer acknowleged them as having any spiritual authority over them whatsoever, and the new authority would be the new "spiritual Parent". The spiritual parent was usually some pastor or elder from RLC who expected then the spiritual children to be with them at all special occasions and holidays, and the unspiritual natural parents were then treated as after thoughts. It got extreme in a short period of time, and progressed to the point that spiritual parents were even preferred over natural parents when attending their kids weddings!

The scripture in Mark ch. 7 really looks like what spiritual parenting became. The scripture is Jesus addressing Hypocrites. Greg Huth----I'm calling you out here, I have heard that you are still defending spiritual parenting and practicing it. REPENT!! Tony has led you astray.

Others---what is the latest? Is this church going to survive, or is it collapsing under the weight of denials?

SOMA is more than a Joke, it has become an embarrassment to the Christian Faith and anyone who has attended. Just looking back at the drop out rate each class starts out with should raise a red flag. Not only are students charged over $9,000.00 for a 3 year course of indoctrination into anti-Christian teachings. I would call it ‘bait and switch’ or just simply lying to deceive someone out of there money. SOMA was represented to the members of the churches to be 100% Christian faith based and the promise of becoming accredited one day; it was only a matter of time according to Tony and elders. Students are maligned into believing that Tony & Mike are the ultimate authorities here on earth because they are supposed apostles (yeah right! and I’m Santa Clause). Students have been taught teachings like Absolute Authority, Covenant Relationships and Spiritual Parenting, a teaching and life style that goes against the very foundations of the Christian faith and “The Ten Commandments!!!” Add all that to Tony’s polygamist views and you have married men close to Tony, taking single and married women out on dates buying extravagant gifts all in the name of spiritual parenting or being brothers & sisters. So for now Tony is has taken this teaching underground, he is not be so bold with his teachings on Spiritual Parenting. Tony, the people who are closest to you know it and you can not hide it any longer yes these people are coming out of the wood work escaping you and testifying about your concubine. Even your natural children are being hurt by your abandonment of your wife. With all the examples of Tony's manipulation encouraging students to renounce there parents and succumb to a spiritual parent is just down right appalling and ant-Christian,….in fact it is demonic!

Yes I will be bold enough to say, the fall out and damages from SOMA (Tony’s Teachings) run so deep and into so many lives!

You people at Radiant Life…WAKE UP!!!

Quit sitting around like a box of glazed donuts!

Why are you tolerating the behavior of your worship leader Jon? Or why do you tolerate Tony’s golden boy Andy? Both these men are married yet; they are out dating single and married women! Going to lunch or movie what’s next? Why are you tolerating the teachings of Tony?
You people of RLc and You sycophant elders, you just turn a blind eye! These guys have NO business flirting with another woman as they are abandoning there wife.
I challenge any of you to look at that fruit and see for yourself if that is not the most ridicules situation!!!

Now Tony is planning a group trip to Africa??? Hang on to your wallets and your soul!!!

The abusive, arrogant, callousness, condescending, grandiose, impulsive, manipulative, rudeness and verbal outbursts that I witnessed in the Philippines in 2005 were enough to show me that Tony is reckless and out of control! Oh! Did I say ARROGANT!!?

One morning he stood up in the hosting church and publicly slandered the pastor as all of the SOMA students sat there in a state of shock. Another time he stood there in front of 100+ pastors from the Batangas area and ridiculed them for the way they were doing church. For the SOMA students there it turned into the attitude “Yeah, we are more spiritually enlightened than you!”
Hmm Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle….that fits Tony.
He makes all encompassing promises for the future, yet has a poor work ethic by exploiting others effectively.
You people who are throwing your money at this trip would be better to stay home and take care of your own affairs first.

The Soma students never received the education they were sold. Tony misrepresented that the soma curriculum would be as he weaved in his false teachings along the way.
Currently there are SOMA students looking into a class action law suit seeking damages’ & restitution.
Yeah we want our money back you counterfeit apostle.

When I first decided to disconnect from Radiant Life and Tony's I went for the longest time struggling with the term CULT and calling Radiant Life Church a Cult. but as I kept researching reading my bible and reading other publications and authors I came to the conclusion that indeed Radiant Life Church has become a CULT! Not only because of its false teachings and anti-Christian life styles but because of the behavior and destruction I witnessed.

We can look at any group and delve deep into there theological beliefs and determine if they match up to the original historical beliefs.
But set all that aside and simply look at the behavior of the group.
One classic sign of a cult is that it is personality-driven. That means it has a charismatic leader or group of leaders who holds a tremendous amount of sway over members. Here is another example for you to think about. Look at the effects that the personality Barack Hussein Obama has had over the Democratic party. Now look at the new form of government that he is trying to get established so quickly right under your nose. The spending bill that he is trying to rail road through is simply taking yours and my liberty's and freedom.
Making Government the prime allocator of benefits! Barack Hussein Obama's government mirrors the Marxist manifesto and Socialism. I use that example to make my point Tony has that kind of influence over people in the church and it is personality driven.

Another common characteristic is isolation. Sometimes that isolation is physical, with members’ comings and goings being restricted. Look at how Tony treats people he arrives in the church when the band is playing when people are standing up praising......Praising Tony... When he departs He leaves when people are standing and praising....Praising Tony.

But most often, isolation takes the form of members becoming completely absorbed in the group and its activities. If members work, go to school and socialize only with each other, isolation is a real possibility. An especially troubling sign, he said, is when members are asked to cut off contact with family members. Go back and read all the posting about his "inter circle".

If anyone would raise troubling questions about the group is marginalized to the extreme, cut off.”

Also common is a persecution complex, he said. Members often have an “us- versus-them” attitude, perceiving simple disagreements as attacks.
criticizing them is to go against God.

A trip to Africa? Are you kidding me? Is Africa where Tony picked up his demonic practices? Why does he want to go back and take people with him? Who is supposed to pay for all of this? The church is only bringing ($17,000) in tithes and offerings for the entire month, how is this trip even possible? Who in the world would be for this right now? I can only imagine the story he told to convince people that this trip would be a good idea. Does anyone have a current attendance count? I know that meetings are taking place in the Pang's home. Strategic meetings no doubt, how to keep the people they still have giving and buying into the lies. I am still praying for the truth to rise to the surface! There is planning and scheming going on to keep RLC alive. Tony will do whatever, and say whatever to continue robbing the blind and stealing from innocent victims to maintain his lifestyle. Tony is becoming more unstable than ever, his true colors are showing as he is pressed for explainations, and answers. He cannot control his anger when questioned. The Law suits have begun, soon to be piling up, leadership jumping ship, people will ask questions. People who don't even go to RLC are asking questions, it won't be long before the media grabs hold. I don't know how you all will be able to afford the attorney fees for the representation he's going to need. He is not telling you the truth!! Those of you who give financially are being used as pawns in an evil scheme. The people that are staying loyal to him are dangerous as well, stay away from them and don't listen to their lies. He has made promises to them, that he never intends on keeping, he just needs them right now in the hope of saving his own behind. He will turn on them too, just like he always does. Little does he know that he has done it this time, this mess is much to big to sweep under the rug.

Always be very careful about someone leading you to a foreign country. I heard some alarming facts about recent trips. People will likely pay their own way, with exception of one, maybe two people. There must be some good reason to go there, especially when there is so much unfinished business to attend to here.

I have been visiting other churches recently and it is soooooo good to be loved by God! I don't accept poor examples (people/persons) expecting me to honor them and their agendas.

So here's what I heard about the Africa trip. The following are going: Shay Pang, Bethany Pang, Marcos, Dave Feist and the hired hand. Hmmm, so can we say yes men/women sycophants. Which of these might actually go with an objective perspective and bring back an unbiased biography of the trip?

So the hired hand has received permission from one of the contributors for the Philipine orphanage to use his $50,000 for an orphanage in Africa. Thomas already has the land and maybe even a good start on the building so what does the hired hand need to go over there for and what might he need $50,000 for? Want to bet that the hired hand gives a double honor to Thomas Muthee of $10,000 and then uses the other $40,000 to ingratiate himself to the 4 going. Obviously this is simply conjecture. It is however based on a proven track record of self serving practices and dare I say "philosophy" .

The am confident that the four people you listed are good people and I am adamently sure that the church is off, way off.
But use conjecture-lose credibility.