I knew a long time ago that there was something seriously wrong with Mike Villamor and his world and it came pretty much the first time i sat down and talked to him.It was way back when he was still personally doing marriage counseling for the members in the basement of the church.He stated to me face to face that his heart was so clean and pure that he could slit his wrists and bleed out in front of me knowing full well that he would be accepted into the kingdom of heaven!Wow!Years and years later this was spun by Jeff Barnes to me as an attempt to use the strongest example possible to show me what was available to me through following Mike.Another ear jerker was when Mike told me that through the workings of the church and God on his heart that he was cured of an at-times $3000 a month pornography addiction that had put his marriage on the brink of destruction.Certainly that wasn't congregation money he was spending,or was it?Me and my wife attempted counseling with the Barnes' but that pretty much ended when he asked me to keep a journal of all my thoughts and such from one visit to the next and we would go over it during the next visit.It was obvious to me that something was wrong when i first sat down.He looked pissed at the world and came down on me like a ton of authoritarian bricks in front of my wife and his when i said i had forgotten to.

I spent years wanting to know how all the people that go there could be so blind as to what the main focus of their sermons are $$$.They come at it from 50 different ways but it always comes back to the same thing!I once told my wife that it would be really easy to find out whether their friendship and fellowship were real by not going there and seeing if they still cared or called! She never attempted the test.I know for a fact what the policy is.It is a policy of if someone leaves they no longer exist.Jackie and Sid Singer were neighbors of ours and in an attempt to work on and try to get some help with our marriage I asked her if we could do some kind of 3rd person meating.She asked who i had in mind and i said Jackie and she immediately got offended and stated with hostility "absolutely not Jackie doesn't even go to Turning Point anymore".There is the answer to the question i had as to how people who have left are viewed.Your only value as a human being is directly propotionate to how much of your time,money and effort you give to their church.And if you choose not to they have no use for you.

Ostrisized,

Welcome to the forum. Thank you for taking time to post your thoughts and observations.

TPR

Ostracizedone,

Yes, welcome to forum. I am sorry that you were not shown more patience and grace by those you went to for help. Perhaps the Christian counseling place in Stanwood might be of assistance to you. Although the Lord is the ultimate counselor and he really does not mind when you call him at 1:00AM to vent or to talk about your problems. :-)


Daughter of Dorcas

Can anyone tell if the Jensen's are still at TPC? There's a lot of hurt from Jon. Last I heard he was in charge of counseling. He would be good at that if it was the right atmosphere. Just wanna know..... thanks! miki

Jensens are still @ TP. I believe that Jon is leading the counceling ministry. Actually, I think he teaches the pastoral counceling class in SOMA. Can anyone confirm that?

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Jensens are still @ TP. I believe that Jon is leading the counceling ministry. Actually, I think he teaches the pastoral counceling class in SOMA. Can anyone confirm that?

Jon is listed on the PNWBC (formerly SOMA NW) web site as a faculty member teaching Pastoral Counseling. Wasn't he a soma student not to long ago?

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If I am wrong about any material fact I have spoken about or posted about -- I beg forgiveness. However, the attempt to discredit Chris and Cathy was real. So the question I have for Adrift is -- If you were there and know so much, have you gone by the TPC offices to set the record straight?

Daughter of Dorcas

Daughter of Dorcas, I'm sorry I was not clear. When I say "That's just silly," I'm talking about Cyndi saying she was afraid, not about your report. I have no reason to doubt what you are saying. In fact, it's very consistent. I was not there, but I do know Caleb was, and he wouldn't stand for any folderall. I also know Cathy and Chris, and they are not ones to be afraid of unless they are praying against you, and they don't pray against people. The thing about fearing prayer was a joke, if a bad one.

My apologies to everyone on the forum if I gave the impression I was defending Cyndi and attacking Daugher of Dorcas.

If I thought going to TPC and telling the truth would be heard by anyone I would be there now. They know the truth. Cyndi knows Chris and Cathy as well as anyone. She knows as well as we do that they are not to be feared.

I should have put it another way. Cathy and Chris pray for the whole truth to be revealed. Fear them if you fear having the truth come to light.

:-) No harm no foul, just a misunderstanding.

D of D

TPCWOC sermon for Sunday Oct. 18th Heroic Christianity: Be Alert: by false apostle(I want a body like Brad Pitt or Fabio)Mike Villamor is now online.Mike Villamor has began to torture people at his church!Mike brags about how he is preaching for two hours now at the friday night fan the flame service!Mike says he has been teaching on scrap booking and the gift of wisdom on fridays.Mike still thinks he has super hero powers.So watch out!Be alert!Jesus is coming back.Mike says he is like a hot water heater that is really hot and needs to let some out of the released valve on us. (I can't wait for Mikes hot steam to be released.)Mike thinks he belongs to the day and does not want to suffer the wrath of God.Mike says that your appointment with God is like a appointment with Matt Hasselbeck of the Seahawks or Brad Pitt the Movie star!Mike wants to build each other up so he asked all the elders,deacon and staff to stand up. And he makes everybody clap for them. He tells them how faithfull they have been.(faithful to Mike) Mike says this year has been a particularly hard for Turning point church.Mike says he wakes up and wants to run and bury his head into the sand.And that he wants to drive to Tin Buck Two because life has been hard and diffucult for Mike!(We will find out where tin buck two is so you can move there!)Mike says that he wants some light correction.Mike wants to hear from people who don't make him feel good.Mike says looking busy is not going to help at Jesus second coming.(You better slow down Mike)Mike says the way to know your ready is how you love people with your words and how you treat them.(I will follow Mike on that one)Mike says Cyndi likes to debate and that she is a fantastic teacher preacher.Mike says Jesus will not be coming back in a helicopter.(Don't tell Casey Treat that)Mike wants you to be happy with your new body in heaven and wants you to have a body like Brad Pitt and Fabio.Mike says the flowers in heaven will have no pollen. Mike says that we will have a holy crispy creme donut factory outside our house and we will be eating donuts for eternity and we will not gain wieght.Mike says that he teaches borderline heresy and that if its not in the bible he will just throw it in there!(Its about time you where honest with us)Mike says when he gets to heaven he wants to be 6 feet 7 in tall.( Mike I like you short,my dad was 5 feet tall and his nick name was shorty)Mike can't wait to get to heaven and get all the awards and crowns that are waiting for him.Mike wants to sit closest to the the throne of God in heaven.Mike wants the best seat.(Mike had to sit in the back row at the kingdome during the sonic basketball game and it still bothers him and he wants front row seats in heaven!)God has a seat reserved for him.Mike says we will judge angels and demons.Mike says that he wants to be done with this whole judging thing.Mike says he has been judged enough and he is tired of judging others.(I don't believe him)Mike says that he wants to sit down with people and figure out how to workout the hardship of life and sit down at a table and talk things out with you.Mike wants to bring peace to the situation. Mike says that rarely happens in the church.(Is this something new that just happen to Mikes heart)(I don't believe him)Mike thinks highy of himself. Mike wants you to be active and engaged .Mike wants you to accept the Lord at TP so that he can control you and turn you into his spiritual slave!TP has a place for you. People are leaving and Mike needs replacements.What are you waiting for!



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So this week I had a conversation with someone and we began to talk about the "body" of Christ. In our discussion we talked about the bride and what she looks like, how will she become without spot or wrinkle like the bible speaks of? One thought given was persecution, that's how she will become more ready. But don't we really persecute eachother really with our judgements within our own ranks? I know I have been guilty of this. I am fascinated by the church really, I visualize a river being ( God) and then I visualize all these little branches off the river being the church still but each having it's own truth and believing it's branch off is correct. I wonder how the branches will ever find their way back to the main river sometimes, am I alone in this, I don't think so. It seems the church at times uses the bible as a weapon vs. to love at all costs, this is a risky thought. It seems to do so we would actually have to break down our own perceptions maybe admit fault, to be humble, to serve one another in one body, one spirit.
I love the lyrics to Casting Crowns stained glass masquerade; Are we happy plastic people/ under shiny plastic steeples/ with walls around our weakness/ and smiles to hide our pain/ but if the invitation open to every heart that has been broken/ maybe then we close the curtain on our stained glass masquerade.
I ponder the thought if the church, you and me could actually work on our stuff, admit our weakness, truly love un abbondoned, admit that we are three parts, spirit, body and soul. If we took responsibility for our own walk like Jesus walked vs. trying to find fault in everyone else s' , how powerful could that be? To really work on our stuff rather than trying to cover it over with a nice scripture that suites our own personal motivation. Just wondering.... Still awaiting the church to make right the wrongs to faithful servants.. never too late.