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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: February 18, 2009 05:40PM

TPWOC Sunday Feb 22nd Recession Proof your Family . Back to being normal . Must be Pastor Jeff preaching!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2009 05:46PM by buddy.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: BraveHeart ()
Date: February 18, 2009 07:52PM

Turning Point Church of Marysville Washington
Evidently your leadership is unwilling to openly talk about their hidden agenda. Your elder board is more interested in maintaining the false image that Tuning Point church is still fundamentally Christian, yet at the same time your leader’s are secretly embracing a known false teacher and confirmed false apostle yes I’m talking about Mr. Tony Cunningham.
Your pastor, Mr. Mike has been seduced by Tony to think that he is some kind of an apostle. The unfortunate aspect of this thinking is Tony has also convinced many people at TPC of the same lie. Yes through his multiple appearances at SOMA North West and writing the cruculium for what you people know as SOMA. Tony has subconsciously used SOMA as his Trojan Horse (Vehicle) to sneak in his false teachings and established his demonic strongholds with key people in the church. Who in turn infects the rest of the church. Tony's teaching is a CANCER to the Christian Faith and your leadership is ignoring all the symptoms of this deadly condition.

Ok you think I’m pulling your leg? Then I challenge anyone to show me one shred of evidence that would support the authenticity of Tony’s teachings like spiritual parenting, covenant relationships ( where you pledge your allegiance to his authority) and his absolute authority!
Show the church member where is there any shred of evidence that would support such an arrogant claims that Mike or Tony is an apostle???

Just like Radiant Life Church of Sacramento,
Turning Points watchmen are blind,
they all lack knowledge;
they are all mute dogs,
they cannot bark;
they lie around and dream,
they love to sleep.
They are dogs with mighty appetites;
they never have enough.
They are shepherds who lack understanding;
they all turn to their own way,
each seeks his own gain.
Slightly paraphrased from Isaiah 56


I challenge Mike and or Tony to an open debate!!

BraveHeart

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: February 19, 2009 12:30AM

I was debating some Soma Grads and asked them where in the Bible the false doctrine of the covering of the Apostle and Spiritual parenting was! And they were silent for awhile and couldn't answer, then said they had to go! The Mormon missionaries and the JW's do the exact same thing when they say they have a appointment and try and run! What you are witnessing at TPWOC is a classic example of a christian church turning into a cult! An open debate between the people and Mike and Tony would help the many people that have Questions! The many false doctrines that Mike and Tony are teaching are like a cancer that spreads through the entire body! It takes over the whole body and if not stoped it will take you! It is time to get out the cancer fighter, which is the Word of God and the medicine of prayer with the courage and the boldness that only the Holy Spirit gives and Fight the Fight ,because you are in one . You have been AWOL too long. Get back on the battlefield and take on these cowards before it's to late!

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Date: February 19, 2009 12:43AM

A few more links for those wanting to understand the concerns with the New Apostolic Reformation
The last link is to a page that provides several links.

Read everything in light of the Scripture. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into Truth. Turning Point, Your Pastors, elders and deacons are deceived. They are leading you down a road to destruction. They will leave your faith ship wrecked. Look at the fruits of these so call New Apostles-it is rotten and filled with worms. SOMA students-you are seeking truth, yes? Then how is it that your so called apostle gives you a counterfeit truth? Ask the Father (God-not Mike) to lead you into truth.



[www.deceptioninthechurch.com]

[www.iclnet.org]

[letusreason.org]


[www.deceptioninthechurch.com]

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: LearningPoint ()
Date: February 19, 2009 09:39AM

For any of you who may feel overwhelmed by the information on this site, or who may feel that some of our concerns are not valid...

If you check into one thing that is a fatal flaw of where Turning Point is heading, please--I'm literally begging you out of deep concern for your spiritual well being--look into the things that TurningPointReject is calling out. THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND COMPLETELY UNBIBLICAL!

The word "new" should be the first red flag. There is nothing new to add to the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ. We don't need new apostles, we don't need restoration of the five-fold minstry. It has never been lost. God has been causing His church to grow, just has Jesus promised: "I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." Jesus is building His church, and there is NOTHING in Scripture to indicate that there will be an apostolic revival, only warnings in Scripture to guard against the rising of false apostles. God saw this coming a long time ago. RUN FROM THIS MOVEMENT!! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, UNDERSTAND THE DIRE IMPORTANCE OF REMAINING TRUE TO SCRIPTURE IN THESE TIMES OF DECEPTION AND OF NEW IDEAS.

These new ideas are rejecting sound doctrine that careful Bible study by those who love God and His Word has helped preserve over time. We were warned about these things in God's Word. Please take heed! Seducing spirits can entice men and women we know and love. Even King Solomon, the wisest man ever to live became seduced by idolatry. Don't think it can't happen to you or to your pastor or to anyone. When you refuse to believe it can happen, pride has set in, which is an open door for it to happen. When you choose to trust what a person says or what you have come to trust about a personality over what the WORD OF GOD SAYS, you have come to a fatal place in your life. You are ripe pickin's for deception.

Realign your loyalty to God and His Word. If you don't know what the Word says about this stuff, then find out right quick. Ignorance is dangerous and inexcusable. You are responsible for your choices. Don't assign your responsibility to someone else. YOU study to show yourself approved unto God. YOU must do this. Please do!

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: giftofsong ()
Date: February 19, 2009 12:17PM

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giftofsong
Hello I am new to this forum and I would like to share my experiences while attended Turning Point. I will tell it in different parts though because I have a lot to say and to remember as well. I attended TPCC and TPCWOC starting in about the spring time of 2004. I was invited to Turning Point by two good friends of mine that I knew from high school. We ran into each other at a local Starbucks and they invited me to go to 180 which was the youth group that met on Wednesday nights. I had a great experience and the worship was good and I felt the word was presented in an appropriate way for our age group. I was glad to have found something that was so fun, with people who really seemed to be involved, and who loved God. I later started to go to the Sunday service and that was when we were meeting in the 8th street "old" building. I had another positive experience there with the people and the leaders. I felt welcome and I was on fire for God, it felt good to be part of a church family again. I then started attending all the events that I could, making many friends and doing the Friday night service Fan the Flame as well. It was nice to be able to have something more than just a Sunday service that I could attend and I loved the worship and the prayer time we spent on those Fridays.

To back up just a little and share about my life as a Christian a little bit I was raised in a Christian home with loving, caring parents and did not want for anything growing up. I was not spoiled just blessed with a loving family who was very supportive of me and who took great care of me. We went to a wonderful church when I was young and I have so many great memories of Sunday school and great programs that I was involved in as a child. We ended up leaving that church when our long time pastor was called to another church and we then attended other churches that I enjoyed too. I also attended Christian School and was taught much about God and the Bible there as well. Eventually we hooked into Smokey Point Community Church, which I enjoyed, led by Pastor John Stumbo who is a wonderful man and was a great preacher and pastor to us. I was involved in their youth group a bit there but it wasn't the greatest. I was going through those weird years as a teenager as well at the time but I have always loved music so I was heavily involved in that at my school. I actually started to attend the public middle school (7th and 8th grade) and high school (9th-12th grade) to get involved in the music programs they offered that my private school didn't offer so I decided to start attending for that reason alone. I am so grateful that my parents were so strongly involved in a church all my life, they taught me well and brought me face to face with God and I learned so much about my faith. Overall I grew up knowing the Lord and very familiar with the Bible and the Christian faith.

Anyway back to Turning Point, I then was very heavily involved in many, many things at TPCC which I probably won't even remember them all but here are the majority of them. I went to the Winter Camps, helped with many of the 180 events in the youth group, I helped with Summer Jubilee, I joined the worship team, and I also did discipleship, and took the classes that introduced me to the church and educated me on how things were done at TPCC. I became a member of the church and later was part of the Twenty Something's small group when that started and also became part of leadership with that group. I even joined SOMA and moved to a house with three other girls from the church who attended SOMA as well. I did not ever live in the SOMA dorms though. I was so involved that I had literally no other time to do anything else except work at my job which was all scheduled around these many events at TPCC. The more I got involved the more I strayed from my family members which for me always being so close to them, was a very weird thing that I didn't notice at the time. I felt the church pulling me in heavily and even experienced guilt when I couldn't attend events. It all was starting to change me and I didn't even realize it. I soon got my family to attend Turning Point with me and they enjoyed it but were not as into it as I was but were never negative about it- until later on when they felt it wasn't the right place for them. So, they still continued to attend Smokey Point Comm Church eventually.

But in that time of attending TPCC my parents experienced some pretty hard times in their marriage and let me tell you they received absolutely no support or help from the leaders or elders of the church. It was heartbreaking for my mom who so desperately needed some spiritual guidance and some hope from someone in the church to have received nothing - no returned phone calls from pastors to meet, and some very harsh words from Jeff Barnes about "not submitting to her husband" and that is how he explained their problems, in a nutshell. That was one of the most devastating moments of her life she told me and I was so shocked that he told her that I was speechless. From that moment on I started to feel differently about TPCC as a whole. That is just the short version of the depressing and whacked out conversations my mom experienced while being hopeless and separated from my father and I will never forget how disgusting I felt to be part of a church that acted that way and I was saddened that my mom had that happen to her.

I can tell you the exact moment that everything changed at Turning Point and it scares me to have been so sure at the time and I am ashamed to say I did nothing but suppress my feelings and feel guilty. Those feelings actually weren't feelings they were promptings from the Holy Spirit. Saying to me to be careful and to stay aware of what was really going on in the church.

More to come . . .


The first time I noticed it I remember so vividly was when we were still meeting at the 8th street building before the move to the junior high across the street. We had a family who was from Africa visiting and who were guest speakers. We had been introduced to the new Financial Campaign of Possesing the Land-what a huge joke. What that really meant was that the pastors and leaders wanted to get more funding for a bigger, more powerful church and they placed a huge veil over our eyes for what they really intended to do with our money. From then on every sermon seemed to lead back to money, tithing, generosity, and more money. We were told to sell what we had and give more and more to the church. To cut back on everything and give all the extra to the church and to never question authority on this subject because "God had placed these leaders in our life for a reason so we needed to follow them regaurdless of how we felt or what questions we had." This was not right to me and from that moment on that is where I started to see a huge change in the attitudes of the pastors, leaders, and elders as a whole. It was like a huge cloud of darkness had covered them and they seemed to have a one-tracked mind-money and growth and they wanted it FAST. This is the time when I felt some serious nudges from the holy spirit that I completly ignored-shame on me. I wish I would have questioned my leaders at this point because I would have saved myself some heatache and some major cult encounters.

I will follow up later on the worship team and many more things!

-giftofsong

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: outreach ()
Date: February 19, 2009 01:25PM

Thanks giftofsong,

Your testimony helps us understand more about what has gone on at what is now going on.
I totally agree with Learning Point. We have done a lot of reading on the different sites regarding the Apostolic Movement. Pay attention Turning Point People!! Soma Students. A lot of things I've read reminds me of the Mormons. We have a son involved in the Mormon church so we know a lot of what gones on there.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: February 20, 2009 12:57AM

TPWOC has false prosperity teacher Bob Harrison (Dr. Increase) sermon on line now on their web site! It sounds like the only one to increase last Sunday was Bob Harrison. You decrease your wallet and Harrison increases his wallet. Don't forget the cd's, tapes and merchandise on the table in the back. Lets not forget the Increase seminar in Hawaii. I wonder if Mike and Cindy will be using your money to go to Hawaii. Harrison says that words are the containers of increase. This is classic word faith, name it claim it terminology. Positive confession I can create my own reality through my words and can become a little God, just like the Mormons! Harrison said we need to get rid of our religious tradition and have a mind set of financial increase! Harrison wants you to repeat his pet bible verse 10 times a day for 40 days so if you get lucky on your pocket book then he will have you hooked into his false doctine of the properity gospel! This teaching is from the pit of Hell! John 2:13-16 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of chords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!" Luke 19:45 Then he entered the temple area and began driving out those who were selling. It is written, Jesus said to them, "My house will be a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of robbers'." NOTES: Mark 11:15-17 In righteous anger he drove from God's house the ungodly, the greedy and those who were destroying its true spiritual purpose. Christ will condemn alll who use the church the gospel or his kingdom for personal gain, glory, or self-promotion! Shame on the leaders of TP for allowing this to come into Gods' house! God wants you to come back to Him!

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Date: February 20, 2009 02:12AM

SOMA students: Your homework for this week is rather simple:

Study the book of Jude (Dont worry...its one page in length).

Then ask yourself and ask the Elders ...oh wait... you guys don't have elders any more do you? You are no longer an Elder led church. You are an apostle led church. Hmmm okay. Fine. Ask these questions of your apostle:

Who is Mike's Authority? Why has he rejected the authority of an Elder led church?

Who will now oversee and manage the finances of your church?

What is "the way of Cain" and how have they sought to avoid "going the way of Cain"?

What was "the rebellion of Korrah" and how has Mike avoided the "rebellion of Korrah"?

What was "the error of Balaam" and how has Mike sought to keep from making the same error?

And finally, SOMA students, whom do you love most- God or Mike?

Whom do you fear losing more- God or Mike?

Who's voice do you hear most clearly- God or Mike?

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Painfuljourney ()
Date: February 20, 2009 06:30AM

Bob Harrison makes me sick....how is that for positive words. He says, What we speak is what we get. The problem is it puts the power in man, not God.

INCREASE, INCREASE, INCREASE, he says. In fact you can pay him to go to Hawaii to learn how to INCREASE.

Didnt Paul say, Let me decrease so CHRIST can increase.

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