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I want to show the real history of christian conflict arising from the Catholic Church to the Prostestant reformation. See "The battle for the Bible" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RubxnoTeL_M&noredirect=1
Also, That the corrupt translators of bibles were translating according to the political powers that existed at that time to falsely equate the authority of God with a corrupt pastor (resulting in giving that authority to the government/king/parliament/upper rich class) to enrich rich men by falsely controlling and enslaving the beliefs of the christian slave masses to the false political masters. Translating from greek to English began in the 1300s (John Wycliffe) http://biblehub.com/wycliffe/2_corinthians/1.htm
and was by no means created by R. B. Thieme jr. It is against US law to murder Christians for reading the greek to English transaltion of the scripture today. The worst that a coercive pastor can legally do today in America is to intimidate a christian that it is somehow “wrong” for them to read it for themselves. That is what Thieme did. After thousands were murdered for daring to read the greek to English scripture. Thieme states (600 years later) that “You wont get much out of it”(reading the bible for yourself).”better come to class”. If someone wants a good greek translation simply read the Wycliffe or Tyndale bibles. Thieme would practice “inculcating/brainwashing” the Christians mind with Thieme’s privatized terminology which was not in the greek scripture. And Thieme falsely equated the authority of God with a false concept of a corrupt pastor’s authority. This resulted in a lot of unsound christian minds, with many destructive effects.
The original rebels John Wycliffe (body exhumed and desecrated) and William Tyndall(caught tortured and burnt alive) fought against the Catholic church so that the individual could be free to read the Bible for themselves and make up their own sound mind (not brainwashed mind nor inculcated mind, but sound mind) as to what the scripture states..
John Wycliffe translated Titus 2:15 "Speak thou these things, and admonish thou, and reprove thou with all commandment; no man despise thee."
John Wycliife was the original rebel who fought against the false authority of the Catholic church, and could well be said started the protestant reformation.
John Wycliffe had the latin vulgate to work with but the latin vulgate was translated from greek originally.
William Tyndale translated Titus 2:15 "
These thinges speake and exhorte and rebuke with all commaundynge Se that no man despise the."
William Tyndale was strangled lost consciouness and recovered consciouness while being burned to death and murdered by the church for translating scripture from greek to English..
Governments from Rome to the England claimed that they had authority over translation and that the christian could not read the bible for themselves, resulting in murder for those who dared read it for themselves. Rome and England murdered thousands to try to keep thier false authority over the masses of christians.
Thieme claimed in The 1984 hardcopy edition of "Christian integrity"
by RB Thieme jr does have the subtitle "components of completed happiness".p. 182 The 1984 Christian integrity" by RB Thieme jr
p. 182 says "And being inculcated with His thinking!", instead of "And being brainwashed with His thinking!".
Very slight word changes throughout the paragraph.
The warning is that Thieme spoke of "inculcated" with "brainwashed" as meaning the same.
You can see this in other places as well:
Thieme quote: When anyone lives continually in the arrogance complex, he is inculcated with the thinking of Satan as the ruler of fallen angels before the creation of man. Anyone who remains in the hatred complex is inculcated with the thinking of Satan as the ruler of the world after men became his prisoners
. (Isa_42:7) Christian integrity by RB Thieme jr
Thieme quote: You may have been brainwashed by human viewpoint such as, “We all have the divine spark,” or “We’re all brothers”; but that is the Satanic philosophy peddled right from the mouth of the devil!
King of Kings and Lord of Lords by RB Thieme jr
It is is clear here again, that Thieme interchanges "inculcated" with "brainwashed" when addressing satan's thinking to the Thieme defined Christian.
The glaring question is Where does the Bible say that you are either "brainwashed" by G-d or by Satan? It doesn't. The bible says the christian is to be of a sober mind, not a brainwashed mind or inculcated mind. http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=sober+mind
So I ask you thiemites as you are listening to a Thieme tape with Thieme's privately coined words did you notice the difference between the brainwashing/inculcating of Thieme and the brainwashing/inculcating of G-d? If so what different words did you hear other than Thieme's words? Did you hear G-d speak one word to you? If not then you equated Thieme with G-d.
Thieme's speaking and false claim of spiritual authority was not equivalent to G-ds. The scripture speaks for itself.
Understanding God's Government By Paul W. Syltie quote: "All Authority Inserted into Titus 2:15: The KJV reads: "These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee". In English, it sounds like Paul is telling Titus that he has "all authority" over the brethren-as a king or dictator might. The Greek words for "all authority" are pas and epitage. The latter word is used five other times in the New Testament (Rom 16:26, 1 Cor 7:6.24; 2Cor 8:8, 1Tim1:1, Tit1:3). In all these cases epitage is translated "commandement" and refers to a commandement of the Eternal. The incorrect use of "authority" makes it sound like Titus was the rebuking authority, not the Eternal commandments. Also, the Greek pas is translated "every" 117 out of 1.243 times. When pas is used with a word that trepresents a "class of items", pas refers to "every itme in the class." This verse would be much more consistently translated if it said "rebuke with every commandment". Titus was correct the brethren using every commandement of the Father and Christ. [books.google.com]
Epitage consistently means "Commandment of God". I submit to you that epitage in Titus 2:15 is refering to the commandment of God and not a false equalization of a pastor that has an equal authority to God.
I also submit that John Wycliffe and William Tyndale (the founders of the protestant reformation against the catholic political governments roman and english churches) never falesly translated Titus 2:!5 as "all authority" of the pastor over the masses but "These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all commandments of the Lord". The commandments of the Lord are the rebuking authority, not a sinful pastor.
There are 7 verses in the New Testament which use epitage. In 6 cases epitage is traditionally translated "commandment", in reference to the commandment of G-d.
Ro 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting G-d, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1Co 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
Notice Pau's rhetorical nature. Does that sound like someone who speaks with "all authority"? Paul speaks with permission , in this case.
1Co 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
Again notice the rhetorical nature of Paul. Paul makes distinction between "my judgment" and "commandment of the Lord". Also, notice that when Paul says he gives his judgment it is done so by having obtained the mercy of the Lord to be faithful. Not deceitful for an extremist political agenda, but faithful.
2Co 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
Again notice the rhetorical nature of Paul making distinction between Paul's "words", and the commandment of G-d.
1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of G-d our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
Tit 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of G-d our Saviour;
Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all commmandment (of the Lord)
In all these cases epitage is used of the "commandment of G-d" If you notice the entire chapter of Titus 2, it is a list of commandments not of Paul, but of Jesus. So it appears Syltie the logic is sound and consistent with other Biblical directions. Syltie does make the error of saying " The latter word is used five other times in the New Testament (Rom 16:26, 1 Cor 7:6.24; 2Cor 8:8, 1Tim1:1, Tit1:3).", but you can see 6 other verses are listed in the same sentence, instead of 5. And it is 1 Cor 7:25, not 1 Cor 7:24.
2 Corinthians 1:24 Not that we lord it over your faith we are workers for your joy, for by faith ye standhttp://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_corinthians/1-24.htm
2 Corinthians 1:24 clearly states that a pastor does not have authority over a christians faith. And? if a pastor did exercise authority (kyrieuomen) over a christians faith it would hurt the christian standing in faith "for by faith ye stand", not help.
The bible speaks of kyrieuomen 7 times. in these examples the christian pastor DOES NOT HAVE kyrieuomen over a christians faith.http://biblehub.com/greek/kurieuomen_2961.htm
Now in reference to "Law" there was kurieuo (lording over) http://biblehub.com/greek/nomo__3551.htm
ie: The Law of God and Moses commanded. Death ruled over kurieuo Jesus. Look at examples of how the lording over is used in the reference to "Law". Kurieuo is never used with a pastor or elder. Death no longer rules over Jesus as was raised up.
To the christian the works of the Jewish law are over and faith in Jesus is life so is the kurieuo (lording over) of man over the christian. http://biblehub.com/text/galatians/2-16.htm
Moses commanded (kurieuo) the Jews. God commands the Jews and the christians. But a pastor at best speaks with permission and explicitly does not "lord it over the faith" of a christian because in doing so it is a violation and the christian cannot stand in thier faith. 2 Corinthians 1:24 Nor does a pastor lord it over the mind of the christian, for the christian is to be of sober/sound mind http://biblehub.com/greek/4993.htm
Galatians 2-19 [biblehub.com
Being positive to the false words of Thieme's about Thieme's false authority is not substantiated at all as biblical scripture. Clearly the opposite is stated in 2 Corinthians 1:24. It does however, serve a political end by falsely controlling the individuals christians belief (and political vote in November elections). One could say that "Thieme is no worse than the murderous political Roman and England governements who killed thousands to prevent the individual from reading from greek to true english." I'll let God judge that. It's just that in modern day America a "church" can't physically murder the christian. The church/ pastors can only verbally murder the christian's faith, which results in a false depedency (and other things of false nature). And? if a christian is uninformed/unedified then a christian's faith can be verbally murdered. "...for by faith ye stand". In Thieme's case Thieme taught an inculcation or brainwashing of the christian either by God or by Satan, as if the christian had no freedom of choice to choose thier own spirituality.
1 JOhn 2:27 KJV "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/2-27.htm
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/22/2014 08:53PM by Truthtesty.