zeebrook: Rather a long bow to draw that the Thieme cult carries "the violent psychotic potential of the Manson cult".
Truthtesty: I have no idea what a "long bow" is but if you mean it is illogical to draw a comparison between the potential violence of the two cults, then I completely disagree. I from own experience have seen thiemites lose control violently when irritated when their authority was questioned. Also, when a US Army Ranger told my dad at the dinner table that he would assassinate President Carter in 1978 if Thieme gave the order. Then yes Thieme's cult is capable of senseless violent psychotic murder. And Zeebrook I could care less if I can't prove it or if you can't prove it to thiemites. It happened.
zeebrook: Any organisation could be said to have some level of psychotic potential. It is dependent upon the individuals involved with so many personal and environmental factors that would need to be considered. That the perpetrator of such an heinous crime had read some of Thieme's material is irrelevant unless one peruses all that the individual has read. Had he read the morning paper, had he read War and Peace, had he read his morning Navigator's devotional.
Truthtesty: Not every organisation is partially and necessarily psychotic. Also, I cannot believe I am reading this foolish statement"
That the perpetrator of such an heinous crime had read some of Thieme's material is irrelevant
Truthtesty: irrelevant? irrelevant? You must be kidding. Sodini had assurance from Thieme doctrine and Thieme rhetoric and Thieme WRITINGS that he could commit mass murder and still go to heaven. And you call that Irrelevant? Sodini had chickened out before and was trying a new approach and was reading Thieme's writing "the integrity of -od' THE DAY BEFORE THE MASS MURDER when he needed to focus and be absorbed. And you would say that Sodini reading Thieme booklets were irrelevant? You must be kidding?! How fatuous!? You have to deny a huge swathe of reality to say "irrelevant". For whatever reason you appear to be trying to protect Thieme and imply that Thieme's writings had no influence on Sodini whatsoever. Fatuous.Sodini blog diary: August 3, 2009:(day before the sick serial murder)
" I took off today, Monday, and tomorrow to practice my routine and make sure it is well polished. I need to work out every detail, there is only one shot. Also I need to be completely immersed into something before I can be successful. I haven't had a drink since Friday at about 2:30. Total effort needed. Tomorrow is the big day. Unfortunately I talked to my neighbor today, who is very positive and upbeat. I need to remain focused and absorbed COMPLETELY. Last time I tried this, in January, I chickened out. Lets see how this new approach works. Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.
I will try not to add anymore entries because this computer clicking distracts me. Also, any of the "Practice Papers" left on my coffee table I used or the notes in my gym bag can be published freely. I will not be embarased, because, well, I will be dead. Some people like to study that stuff. Maybe all this will shed insight on why some people just cannot make things happen in their life, which can potentially benefit others."
Sodini blog diary quote: "December 31, 2008:
Tetelestai Church in Pittsburgh, PA - "Be Ye Holy, even as I have been Ye holy! Thus saith the lord thy God!", as pastor Rick Knapp would proclaim. Holy ----, religion is a waste. But this guy teaches (and convinced me) you can commit mass murder then still go to heaven. Ask him. Call him at [phone number]. If no answer there, he should still live at [address]. In any case, guilt and fear kept me there 13 long years until Nov 2006. I think his crap did the most damage. Their web site: [www.tetelestai.org]
zeebrook: Furthermore your comment that "Sodini was just a sick psycho thiemite who followed Thieme's incompetent loss of reality to the letter" begs the question. Do you know that this man was sick,:
Truthtesty: yes he was sick. What would you say he was "normal"? Lol Fatuous!
zeebrook: do you know that he was a psycho,
Truthtesty: yes he was psycho. What would you say he was "normal"? Lol Fatuous!
zeebrook:do you know he was a thiemite
Truthtesty: yes he was a thiemite/ knappite who was reading RB Thieme jr's booklet "integrity of -od" to focus and be absorbed and prepare for mass murder. Sodini had attended Tetelestai church for 13 years which had a close relationship with Thieme. What would you say Sodini never heard of Thieme? Lol Fatuous!
zeebrook: and do you know if he was following "thieme's incompetent loss of reality"?
Truthtesty: Sure he was reading thiemite material and it leads to an incompetent loss of reality. What would you say he was "in touch with his inner child?" Lol
zeebrook: I am not defending Sodini, nor finding excuses for his actions (all of which I heartily condemn) but find your logic of linking to thieme alone without oher causes illogical.
Truthtesty: I never said that. I just asserted that I could see it happening from the Thieme cult which equals the pyschosis violence of Manson. That it is logical to assert that from Thieme's influence alone that this psycotic violent behaviour is possible and that this person was demonstrating behaviuor similar to the thiemite irrational psycotic violent behaviour that I had witnessed.
And you are trying to absolve Thieme.
zeebrook: My reading of this site gives me the impression that the discussion is supposed to centre on Thieme's teachings and influences that one can factually demonstrate and not utilise fatuous links.
Truthtesty:Show me the fatuous links. Also you will not restrict the conversation of this site. It includes debunking of Thieme which I and others have spent hours providing evidence. So get busy reading what you are supposedly here for.
zeebrook: The teachings of Thieme certainly polarise sections of the church. Some through faulty concepts of Thieme, some through misunderstanding of his concepts, some through devotees not thinking through or studying the concepts who mindlessly mimic attitudes. So let the forum have rationale discussion and not emotive arguments that stretch beyond the factual arguments.
Truthtesty: Thieme was more than just a political polarizing simpleton. Thieme spoke violent speech. Check you own fatuous assertion of Thieme's writings as being irrelevant. Lol (unbelievable) before you would try to claim the course of conversation of this forum is irrational or fatuous. Lol also research Sodini before and after Tetelestai to gather evidence instead of entirely dismissing Sodinis 13 year involvement with Tetelestai AND suggesting that it was some mysterious factor ALONE and not Thieme at all, as the cause of Sodini's psychosis.
Truthtesty: There are emotional reactions that occur here all the time and it does not interfere with logic. And? That will continue. However, the argument that Thieme's potential violence was equal to the level of psycotic violence of Manson cult is logical not irrational. I can not prove the US Ranger story but it happened and is a logical example and not a fatuous link. Also Sodini himself from his own diary was a thiemite who was reading RB Thieme jrs writing "the integrity of -od" and was following Thieme's assurances that he would go to heaven even though he committed mass murder. THE DAY BEFORE THE MASS MURDER of 3 innocent women. It is fatuous to say Thieme's writings were "irrelevant".
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2009 09:04AM by Truthtesty.