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I proved some time ago that Jesus said he had finished the work in John 17:4 BEFORE John 19:30 of which your church Tetelestai was named:
"... Remember Jesus was also a Prophet. Luke 24:19 "And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, The things concerning Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people."
So here is another aspect Thieme should have learned at Dallas Theological Seminary:
Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY Vol I pg 378 "With prophetic vision He said, even before His death, "I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do" (John 17:4), and when He reached the moment of death He said, "It is finished" (John 19:30)"
Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY Vol. III pg 87 "...the finished work of Christ. This term is derived from the words of Christ on the cross, namely, "It is finished" (John 19:30). There was no reference on Christ's part by these words to the truth that His own life, service, or sufferings were coming to an end. It is rather that a specific undertaking committed to Him by His Father, which could not have begun until He was on the cross, was consummated. It is true that the Father had given Him a work to do in His three and a half years of service. To this reference is made in the words, "Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work" (John 4:34); "But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me" (John 5:36). In contradistinction to this, a specific work was committed to the Savior which began with His cross sufferings and ended with His death. It is to this that His words "It is finished" refer. Of this same saving work of the cross the Savior in His priestly prayer spoke when He said, "I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do" (John 17:4). That He could speak thus of a work which had not at that time even begun is explained by the fact that the whole of the Upper Room Discourse, including the priestly prayer, was dated by Christ in relation to the cross, the resurrection, the ascension, and the advent of the Spirit as though these momentous events were accomplished. What was wrought on the cross and finished when He died will be discovered only through an investigation into that which was included in His redemption, His reconciliation, and His propitiation." Jesus was also a prophet.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/17/2009 09:41AM by Truthtesty.