CBARB - I am so very sorry and shocked to read your recent sharing of your story of abuse that you went through in your youth. It does make one angry that your church at the time could not help you deal with it. If anything damns the SMC it is things like this. Just being plain uncaring - to such a point that victims are too fearful to share their trauma.
Meant to say, Clive, I feel I owe you an apology. Reading my posts through, I was being unacceptably sarcastic and definitely could have answered better. I know you won't require it but anyway, sorry. I
Apology fully accepted Ifellaway.
To the others - I do realise of course that this forum/thread is about SMC and not a debate on theology. I do from time to time mention my atheism - but it is usually brought up in a light hearted off the cuff manner as an asides- "the only atheist in the village" etc. But what then seems to happen is that merely by me mentioning the word atheist - others here then feel they have to go on the defensive and "Correct" me. Often very poorly with something, so irritatingly banal I just cant help myself but to react to this !.
But did I ever actually write "there is no god" . "jesus didnt rise from the dead" anywhere here ? What often seems to happen is that as soon as one admits to ones atheism others immediately feel under attack, go on the defensive, even putt out suggestions or allusions to arrogance, snobbishness, pride, "know it all" - plus a form of "offence", you name it.
I may have alluded to the problem of suffering, for sure. And definitely discussed answered or non-answered prayer. But then so have many many other posters here - where non-answered prayer is a topic with regard to SMC.
And occasionally I may post something akin to the famous Porgy And Bess "It Aint Necessarily So" but we are talking of an unquestioning belief and trust in naked emperors here. So of course this is relevant. It is not coincidence that to my mind ( and the rest of my secular family members ) - the members of my family who are DEEP into SMC are also the MOST GULLIBLE, IGNORANT and least SCEPTICAL of my large family. These things ARE connected.
My posts are much more - unless someone wants to correct me- about the need to emphasise scepticism. Very occasionally that scepticism might be directed at interpretations of the bible or theology. But I'm far more concerned with scepticism concerning supernatural "anointings".
And Scepticism is something we can and should all exercise. Seriously folks. Turn on your television and ask yourselves - is it the kinds of believers who have the most fundamentalist, firm, literal interpretations of their texts and who follow their strong charismatic leaders to the ends of the earth - who are the problem these days ? or is it the kinds of believers who are more prepared to doubt, question their texts, be less sure about the true nature of god, how to get to heaven etc etc ?
Is it theological liberals who are the troublemakers or fundamentalists ? And which of these two better describes the SMC mindset ?
I would ask people to watch that STORM video again in its entirety to confirm my views are much much more about scepticism than atheism.
It does no harm to go to SNOPES or at least do a google to check facts before asserting something. I can think of no end of christian urban myths that I first heard of in xtian circles and in particular members of my family in the SMC - which keep going round and round simply because these kinds of people never think of actually checking facts.
Here is a common one :-
"meditation leads to demons - It will open your mind to evil spirits".
We have all heard this. Yet there is more evidence that meditation - the kind that doesn't require any religious belief- such as mindfullness - actually has a real and measurable beneficial effect on participants. More and more research keeps coming out about the positive effects of this kind of mindfullness meditation - and yet much of the evangelical world just keeps on issuing the scare stories about meditation leading to demon possession from the pulpit.
In actual fact there has been more research done on people, whether secular or buddhist monks and the like - regarding the positive effects of meditation - than any research concerning christian prayer, tongues and the like. And yet Pentecostals and other evangelicals just keep on spreading false fearmongering memes in their churches regarding meditation.
Of course what they often fear is that after getting benefits from a non-religous form of meditation they might then be tempted into checking out the religious stuff - whether buddhist or Indian guru based ( the latter does have its share of wacko cult leaders over the years of course ). But plenty in the west practice mindfullness meditation and suffer no ill side effects - whether demonic or otherwise !. - In fact so promising is this technique that educational bodies are now considering bringing in some of this to schools since it has been shown to have such clear beneficial effects on attentiveness, calmness ,
reduced antisocial behaviour and the like.
I even discovered recently that psychiatrists in this and other countries are starting to use this too. Such are the strong and measured effects.
Somehow I doubt if we will ever hear or read of Guru Diana Rutherford endorsing this !.
Edited 9 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2013 02:45AM by Clive.