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ZM, I have not yet found any reliable descriptions or complaints that ZM fits the criteria given by Robert J Lifton, the psychiatrist whose studies represent the standard for assessing these matters.
The information we have so far is the following:
1) ZM groups deleted by German equivalent of Facebook. What I think is telling is how little sensitivity the discussants had with Germany's well founded anxieties about potential terrorism, given both Nazism, and Germanys later, traumatic experiences with domestic terrorism between 1968-77.
These futurologists appear to have showed little care or care or consideration for the price Germany, the host nation of that particular venue, has paid at the hands of terrorists--both Nazis and the communist/anticapitalist/anarchist groups just 35-40 years ago.
[thezeitgeistmovement.com]
2)Fresco recognized as an honorary guide by the leader of the Raelians, a group in the Ross Institute archives.
[webcache.googleusercontent.com]
As for Larouche--am not sure how close any connection is with ZM Per the Washington PAC ZM chaper, some ZM discussants seem sympathetic with LR , but some dont agree totally, either.
3)A citation appears to refer to an upcoming debate between Fresco and Larouche but
if one reads the post, it is not news but actually expresses one correspondants hope that such a debate could someday take place. The discussant goes on to say that he or she doesnt agree totally with Larouche but that LR has valuable tools to offer to ZM. Doenst prove an association though.
[www.google.com]
4) Venus Project, of which ZM claims itself the activist and communications arm, is listed as recipient of support from Triodos Bank, which was originally named Mercury Provident and has its origins in Anthroposophy, the spin off of Theosophy created by Rudolf Steiner.
Triodos claimed to have severed its formal associations with Anthroposophy in recent years, but as many former Waldorf parents have complained, Anthroposophists feel entitled to withold full facts from non Anthroposophists--for their own good.
Steiner, like Fresco had the belief that the right planned environment could accelerate human evolution.
[wedreambusiness.org]
So...right now, I see nothing available to indicate that ZM is a cult in the precise sense.
Now..let us look at comments about Jared Loughner the young man in Arizona who is the reported shooter and who is charged with attacking and injuring Congresswoman Gifford, killing a federal judge, and wounding and killing several other citizens, the last of whom was a nine year old girl.
Finally there Jared Loughner. [www.google.com]
But here is where matters become delicate. Proving something to a standard acceptable by law is hard to do, especially in a case like this, namely whether a specific ideology played a signficant and iin Loughner's pattern of behavior
It is possible that Loughner was influenced not by a specific group but by a stew of various and sundry conspiracy ideas available within what has been termed 'cultic milieu'.
Cultic Milieu versus Cults
Cultic milieu has to do with ideas and beliefs outside of the mainstream.
Cults as defined by Lifton, are defined not in terms of unusual beliefs, but behaviors.
Had Loughner been socialized as a Protestant in England during the scares concerning Roman Catholic plots against the realm, he might perhaps have become obsessed with the evils of the Papacy and obtained his material not from the internet, which then would not have existed, but from newsheets, conversation in the coffeehouses, and inflammatory sermons--all of which where the social media of that time.
**My private and non-expert citizen's opinion is that sociologically, ZM and Venus Project do fit in with what sociologists refer to as 'cultic milieu'--a stew of alternatives and ideas rejected by mainstream society--and derive their appeal precisely by being outside of mainstream society.
I wish to re-emphasize that cultic milieu, a term that originated with sociologist Colin Campbell and has since been refined by other sociologists is not the same as cult behavior as defined by psychiatrist Robert J Lifton.
Another point, which is delicate and requires some deep reflection is that socializing within the cultic milieu can increase risk of becoming socialized in such a way that one lets one's caution or critical thinking skills lapse and become more vulnerable to recruitment.
But one need to be in any way involved with cultic milieu to be targeted by a really aggressive cult. As you know all too well, some cults (eg Sharon Gans, Landmark) can be so deceitful and/or intrusive that their recruiters will hit on persons who are no where near the cultic milieu--as in an authoritarian boss hitting on employees to do Landmark or lose promotion opportunities.
There have been comments in the news linking Jared Loughner the shooter who attacked Congresswoman Gifford--that he was supposedly obessed with ZM and its conspiracy theories.
My private citizen's hunch is that possibly cultic milieu may be more helpful in understanding Jared Loughner.
From reports, Loughner was into conspiracy theory material that is shared among very many different organizations and individuals, not just ZM.
As suggestd above, Loughner, already troubled might have acted out violently, referening other material to validate his anguish and behavior had he been living in a different time and place.
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ZM, I have not yet found any reliable descriptions or complaints that ZM fits the criteria given by Robert J Lifton, the psychiatrist whose studies represent the standard for assessing these matters.
The information we have so far is the following:
1) ZM groups deleted by German equivalent of Facebook. What I think is telling is how little sensitivity the discussants had with Germany's well founded anxieties about potential terrorism, given both Nazism, and Germanys later, traumatic experiences with domestic terrorism between 1968-77.
These futurologists appear to have showed little care or care or consideration for the price Germany, the host nation of that particular venue, has paid at the hands of terrorists--both Nazis and the communist/anticapitalist/anarchist groups just 35-40 years ago.
[thezeitgeistmovement.com]
2)Fresco recognized as an honorary guide by the leader of the Raelians, a group in the Ross Institute archives.
[webcache.googleusercontent.com]
As for Larouche--am not sure how close any connection is with ZM Per the Washington PAC ZM chaper, some ZM discussants seem sympathetic with LR , but some dont agree totally, either.
3)A citation appears to refer to an upcoming debate between Fresco and Larouche but
if one reads the post, it is not news but actually expresses one correspondants hope that such a debate could someday take place. The discussant goes on to say that he or she doesnt agree totally with Larouche but that LR has valuable tools to offer to ZM. Doenst prove an association though.
[www.google.com]
4) Venus Project, of which ZM claims itself the activist and communications arm, is listed as recipient of support from Triodos Bank, which was originally named Mercury Provident and has its origins in Anthroposophy, the spin off of Theosophy created by Rudolf Steiner.
Triodos claimed to have severed its formal associations with Anthroposophy in recent years, but as many former Waldorf parents have complained, Anthroposophists feel entitled to withold full facts from non Anthroposophists--for their own good.
Steiner, like Fresco had the belief that the right planned environment could accelerate human evolution.
[wedreambusiness.org]
So...right now, I see nothing available to indicate that ZM is a cult in the precise sense.
Now..let us look at comments about Jared Loughner the young man in Arizona who is the reported shooter and who is charged with attacking and injuring Congresswoman Gifford, killing a federal judge, and wounding and killing several other citizens, the last of whom was a nine year old girl.
Finally there Jared Loughner. [www.google.com]
But here is where matters become delicate. Proving something to a standard acceptable by law is hard to do, especially in a case like this, namely whether a specific ideology played a signficant and iin Loughner's pattern of behavior
It is possible that Loughner was influenced not by a specific group but by a stew of various and sundry conspiracy ideas available within what has been termed 'cultic milieu'.
Cultic Milieu versus Cults
Cultic milieu has to do with ideas and beliefs outside of the mainstream.
Cults as defined by Lifton, are defined not in terms of unusual beliefs, but behaviors.
Had Loughner been socialized as a Protestant in England during the scares concerning Roman Catholic plots against the realm, he might perhaps have become obsessed with the evils of the Papacy and obtained his material not from the internet, which then would not have existed, but from newsheets, conversation in the coffeehouses, and inflammatory sermons--all of which where the social media of that time.
**My private and non-expert citizen's opinion is that sociologically, ZM and Venus Project do fit in with what sociologists refer to as 'cultic milieu'--a stew of alternatives and ideas rejected by mainstream society--and derive their appeal precisely by being outside of mainstream society.
I wish to re-emphasize that cultic milieu, a term that originated with sociologist Colin Campbell and has since been refined by other sociologists is not the same as cult behavior as defined by psychiatrist Robert J Lifton.
Another point, which is delicate and requires some deep reflection is that socializing within the cultic milieu can increase risk of becoming socialized in such a way that one lets one's caution or critical thinking skills lapse and become more vulnerable to recruitment.
But one need to be in any way involved with cultic milieu to be targeted by a really aggressive cult. As you know all too well, some cults (eg Sharon Gans, Landmark) can be so deceitful and/or intrusive that their recruiters will hit on persons who are no where near the cultic milieu--as in an authoritarian boss hitting on employees to do Landmark or lose promotion opportunities.
There have been comments in the news linking Jared Loughner the shooter who attacked Congresswoman Gifford--that he was supposedly obessed with ZM and its conspiracy theories.
My private citizen's hunch is that possibly cultic milieu may be more helpful in understanding Jared Loughner.
From reports, Loughner was into conspiracy theory material that is shared among very many different organizations and individuals, not just ZM.
As suggestd above, Loughner, already troubled might have acted out violently, referening other material to validate his anguish and behavior had he been living in a different time and place.
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james kushAgain, Lifton defined a cult as having the following three characteristics:
1. A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power.
Jacque Fresco birthday is a global holiday for Zeitgeist called ZDAY.
[zdayglobal.org]
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They have tshirts,mugs, and other items with the likeness of Jacque Fresco:
[www.printfection.com]
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They have created small idols that represent the likeness of jacque fresco:
[thezeitgeistmovement.com]
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That is an artist's project. They are not IDOLS. WOW what a spin lol.
Here is a prime example of the founder of zeitgeist movement Peter Joseph creating a "thought terminating cliche":
Hey Everyone.
Please note that my response actually has nothing to do with the writer in question as he is really an abstraction within a larger context. [We all understand what it means to be a victim of culture and circumstance.] My expression here is contextual to "The Circus" which Sam is "on tour" with. I haven't read his new response nor will I as it is irrelevant here. My overall point is to encourage others to simply recognize this pattern of thought we are seeing grow.
In time, NBC, ABC or the like will be toting this same "cult" rhetoric or something very close to it. So, rather than be surprised by "The Circus" when it comes to town, please expect it/understand it and look at it as a form of entertainment.
For those who do not know what "The Circus" is, it has to do with blatantly derogatory rhetoric which, rather than addressing a governing principle of a RBE, which TZM and TVP are seeking to create awareness of and institute, it attacks angles which are irrelevant and/or out of context - propping them up as though they mean something - always avoiding the core positions presented by The Movement.
Tell-tale signs of The Circus are labels/contexts like "cult" "conspiracy theorist" "communist" "new world order" "Marxist" "satanist" "theosophist" "anti-freedom" "anti-semetic" "racist" and other blanket distinctions which are both ambiguous and culturally objectionable on average.
What you don't hear from The Circus is anything that is specific to the tenets of the work itself. Such as recognition of the problems we consider or the viability of the solutions we offer in a specific way. The Circus will not discuss the Debt Collapse which is not stopping and why. The Circus will not present the gross negligence of having a Market system based on unneeded/yet demanded Cyclical Consumption. The Circus will not consider the impediment of an Infinite Growth Economy and the dangerously wasteful/unsustainable nature of such a practice. The Circus doesn't seem to care that 1% of the world owns 40% of the planet's wealth and that a global Plutocracy is at hand as one child dies every 5 secs of starvation. The Circus will not evaluate the monetary driven psychosocial pressures which generate generation after generation of addiction, mental health issues, violence, familial deprivation and countless other issues.
The Circus doesn't care about Public Health or anything that has to do with social improvement. -Peter Joseph Merola [www.thezeitgeistmovement.com]
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Another loaded language phrase includes the classic Zeitgeist, "the movie is not the movement" thought terminating cliche. Basically, the members have been instructed to not consider any arguments about the namesake film of the movement, "Zeitgeist". Here is a member obviously drunk with indoctrination using this cliche in a youtube video:
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVKKE8tu8p8]
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How is "coercive persuasion" really different from normal persuasion?
Essentially, coercive persuasion relies largely upon thought reform techniques and may also utilize unreasonable fear to compel people to change. Through such a process many can be changed without their knowledge and/or informed consent. This is done in a rigid way that frequently precludes any meaningful exchange of ideas, is fairly one-sided and seems to have little respect for differences. Margaret Singer clinical psychologist and author of the book "Cults in Our Midst" made distinctions between various types of persuasion such as education, advertising, propaganda, indoctrination and thought reform. [www.culteducation.com]
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The fear tactics Zeitgeist uses is conspiracy. Basically, these people have been convinced that the economic end is near and the goal is to prepare for a violent introduction of a new peaceful unified global order Peter Merola calls "Perfection" and Jacque Fresco calls "Heaven on Earth".
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A example of fear tactic based propaganda as presented by Stacy McCain:
[theothermccain.com]
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What "unreasonable fears" do many cult members have?
These are fears often not based upon objective reality, such as bizarre conspiracy theories, baseless projections of an impending catastrophe, crisis and/or physical danger. [www.culteducation.com]
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How can cults control information?
Information is controlled in many cults by creating strict rules and/or guidelines regarding such things as books and outside reading, television, movies, radio, music and often even restricting associations with anyone who might express independent ideas, doubts or negative feelings about the group. The group and its leader(s) thus may become much like a filter, supposedly needed to help eliminate the "pollution", "poisons" and negativity of the outside world. [www.culteducation.com]
The Zeitgeist forums for discussion is a heavily filtered and censored forum. People will get immediately banned and IP blocked for raising criticisms considered hostile to the movement ( On Jan 14th 2011 blocked and banned: [forum.culteducation.com]). In some cases, complete threads will be erased, or in the case of the radio program used by zeitgeist, complete radio episodes will be removed. In addition, the common use of "thought terminating cliches" by the zeitgeist movement is the biggest form of information control.
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Destructive Cult Recruitment
When recruiting members, Zeitgeist does not share its conspiracy aspects and hides its disdain for God and Christianity as a whole. If confronted about the film, the members resort to the thought terminating cliche "THE MOVIES ARE NOT THE MOVEMENT". According to Peter Joseph, the growth of the Zeitgeist Movement is in fact due to the first film, "Zeitgeist". These members who do in fact agree with the conspiratorial and religious beliefs of the founder then use the Venus Project as a tool for recruiting. If you research Zeitgeist "activism" on youtube, you will find them spreading the "positive" outer layers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK3IpvahQqc) while completely avoiding the Zeitgeist Movement inner core beliefs of religion, spirituality, conspiracy, etc.
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ZEITGEIST MEMBER ENGAGED IN DECEPTIVE RECRUITING:
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfGHYW-aErM&feature=player_embedded]
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The fundamental premise behind Peters Joseph motives is the "perfect" society and Jacque Frescos includes "heaven on earth".
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Typically, when confronted with the word "Utopia" however, Zeitgeist members tend to resort to the thought terminating cliche "not a utopia, just something better than we have now". An example of zeitgeist dividing the absolute good from the absolute evil includes a segment (audio was made exclusive only to members that downloaded the program from the official site; once the segment was exposed, the complete radio broadcast was removed) where Douglas Mallette represents "pure evil" as any organization that would target a food producing "facility", these people "need to die". This scenario was in anticipation of what Douglass Mallette thought was going to be a chance for the Venus project to create a test city in Africa with United nations funding in which Dougas Mallette would be in charge of said facility. Douglas Mallette went as far as speaking directly to the United Nations as a representative of the Venus Project.
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The Zeitgeist movement believes that everything in the world today is destructive, including families, laws, governments, currency, nations, cultures, states, languages, religions, god, the list goes on and on. Everything is destructive except for The Venus Project which is "perfection" and "heaven on earth". So they strive to painfully for the non existent "perfect" venus project and "heaven on earth" by spreading the name "zeitgeist" and the movies made by Peter Joseph to everybody they know (this is called "awareness").
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ZEITGEIST "EVIL AND BAD PEOPLE who attack Venus project, Need to Die" (note, the video was not taken out of context, in fact, the whole audio was removed from the venus project spokesman's VTV's radio program list once i exposed this hidden section of a radio program.
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Y9KO-l-T0]
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Sacred Science is a fundament aspect to the Zeitgeist Movement. Altho when confronted with this information, members will usually say the material is "metaphorical", "conceptual", or "poetic" and not meant to be taken literal in context. First, in the zeitgeist orientation guide, the final chapter called "Functional Spirituality" teaches members "science and technology is divinity in action". Merola teaches people that "science is the tool for functional spirituality". The ultimate moral vision an ultimate science, science running the world and all of humanity thru a unified cybernated computer system and cities built by robots where people will no longer do manuel labor or any other form of job. The founder of the "movement" Peter Joseph himself believes man is god and mans ideas can be godly. In addendum he describes mans divine potential when the create the nuclear bomb. This movement does go so far in overt statement. The idea is that the human "oneness" spiritual beliefs of zeitgeist will eventually lead to this perfect scientific society. Zeitgeist lays the foundation for sacred science in the movie most members like people to watch, but not associate with the movement, the first film.
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In it, the founder of the movement Peter Joseph teaches that all religions are man made and that the biggest fraud is christianity, namely Jesus Christ. Merola teaches these same principles in radio interviews. So he teaches that god is artificial and man made.
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In the orientation he gives this exact statement then deferes back to his "divine science".
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The whole scientific approach has been twisted by the movement that members do not apply the test aspect to ANY notions of the venus project. The leadership has made it very well known that NO RESEARCH IS BEING CONDUCTED and NO TEST CITY IS BEING BUILT. So where is the scientific method being applied? It is not, it is the common belief of the group that sacred science will prevail. Counterfeit science and backdoor oneness religion.
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The Zeitgeist do believe man is god and they do believe there is just one path to true existence "divine science and technology". Zeitgeist wished to destroy all current modes of false existence to create a great plan of true existence, "the venus project".
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3. Economic, sexual, and other exploitation of group members by the leader and the ruling coterie.
The goal is for economic and fame for the founders.
The Spokesmen, VTV, sells stuff for financial gain on his site:
[www.printfection.com]
The Spokesmen VTV, seeks financial donations:
[v-radio.org]
The Venus project sells $295 packages
[www.thevenusproject.com]
Fresco sells his book " the best that money cant buy" to members:
[www.youtube.com]
[www.thevenusproject.com]
The Zeitgeist Movie sells movies and Tshirts:
[zeitgeistmovie.com]
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Zeitgeist opposes all other RBE economy objectives, because it is "dangerous" to donate to anybody else, but the venus project:
[www.thezeitgeistmovement.com]
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Peter Joseph thinks by using his followers to push his film he can get nominated for a academy award (atho they claim it is not a "ego" issue, its simply for "awareness"):
[zeitgeistmovements.files.wordpress.com]
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PS, if you need more examples let me know.
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The Venus Project
beyond politics, poverty & war
industry: Visions of Future
founded: 1975
location: Venus, Florida - USA
website: www.thevenusproject.com/
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1. Introduction
There have been a lot of scenarios, utopias, proposals or speculations about the future since humans started to imagine. Today, a lot of movies and books are being published which try to describe the picture of the future. Notaro (2005) explains the situation as ?Ideal cities, or utopias have been imagined in minute detail by philosophers, poets, architects, social reformers, religious devotees, and artists for more than two thousand years. The attempt to invent the perfect city, cradle of the ideal society, is an abiding and ever-evolving vision embracing a wide variety of fascinating and often controversial movements and figures?. However, all of those utopias or scenarios mostly do not seem possible and real to us.
The Venus Project by Jacque Fresco demonstrates a possible future with viable alternatives. This project does not remain as a futuristic design of architecture or technology, beside presents a ?bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture?. It addresses every aspect of life with a broad view by putting humanity to the centre of the world. The project handles the social, economical, ethical etc. problems exist in the world and proposes realistic and sustainable solutions to these matters.
One Cree Indian proverb says that ?Only when the last tree has been cut down; Only when the last river has been poisoned; Only when the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten?. This quote might be the best description and starting point for what is questioned by The Venus Project.
2. The Main Facts About the Activities of the Project
The Venus Project is a futuristic and systemic approach which proposes us a much better life in the future than we have at the moment. It is a veritable blue-print for the genesis of a new world civilization, one that is based on human concern and environmental reclamation. The plans for The Venus Project offer society a broader spectrum of choices based on the scientific possibilities directed toward a new era of peace and sustainability for all. Through the implementation of a resource-based economy, and a multitude of innovative and environmentally friendly technologies directly applied to the social system, The Venus Project proposes to dramatically reduce crime, poverty, hunger, homelessness, and many other pressing problems that are common throughout the world today.
It is stated in the website of the project as: ?there are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems. The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium?.
In the project it is declared that the problems we are faced with today cannot be solved politically or financially because they are highly technical in nature. These social and economical problems do not have solutions because nobody is making a trial to alter basic value systems. So The Venus Project raises the discussion: There may not even be enough money available to pay for the required changes, but there are more than enough resources. Therefore, the project supports and suggests the and suggests the transformation from ?Obsolete Monetary System? of today to ?Resource Based Economy?. With this transformation, people will not need money and the necessities of life will be in free access of everyone without bureaucracy or any other agency. All humanity will work with resources that nature gives us and produce what we need.
Jacque Fresco, the founder of the project, points out in his essay that ?the real wealth of any nation lies in its developed and potential resources and the people who are working toward the elimination of scarcity and the development of a more humane way of life. A resource-based economy would use technology to overcome scarce resources by utilizing renewable sources of energy; computerizing and automating manufacturing, inventory and distribution; designing safe, energy-efficient cities; providing universal health care and relevant education; and most of all, by generating a new incentive system based on human and environmental concern?. Thus, the project offers a new way of life by utilizing natural resources of the world in order to increase well being and wealth of humanity. Contrarily to current monetary system it puts the quality of life in the first place rather than profit maximization.
3. The Ethical Challenges This Project is Addressing
As it is already mentioned, The Venus Project focuses on a lot of social and economical problems, moreover the ethical challenges that those problems bring along. Basically, human behaviour is subjected to the general questioning of today?s problems. According to Jacque Fresco; ?Our customs, behaviours, and values are byproducts of our culture. No one is born with greed, prejudice, bigotry, patriotism and hatred; these are all learned behaviour patterns. If the environment is unaltered, similar behaviour will reoccur?. He and his colleague Roxanne Meadows believes that there is no human nature, there is human behaviour, and that has always been changed throughout the history. We are not born with bigotry, greed, corruption and hatred. We pick that up within the society. So, what are the reasons which cause these behavioural flaws we have and drag us to ethically wrong behaviours?
In today's world we are facing with many common threats that transcend national boundaries. These include overpopulation, energy shortages, pollution, uncontrollable diseases, human rights abuse, economical fraudulence, terrorism, political corruption, religious exploitation and so forth. These indications demonstrate that the system we are living in is collapsing. The Venus Project addresses the reason of these problems to the ?obsolete monetary system?. At this point, Jacque Fresco claims that ?However, faced even with threats of this magnitude, which are common to all nations, the direction of human action will not be altered so long as powerful nations are able to maintain control of the limited resources available?.
Understanding this we then see that money fundamentally exists as a barrier to reach these resources and virtually everything has a financial cost. This situation drags the world in crises and avoids majority of population to reach their main, natural needs because of not having the enough money as a medium to obtain these resources.
The Venus Project declares that the current monetary system is not capable of providing a high standard of living for everyone, nor can it ensure the protection of the environment because the major motive is profit rather than the welfare of humanity. Therefore, while strategies, such as downsizing, toxic dumping etc, increase the profit margin they actually still stay as ethically wrong actions.
For example, automation causes replacement of people by machines and then the social problems arise from unemployment of big amount of people. This seems like the consequence of the technological development and technology brings out unethical behaviours. However, the monetary system is the main actor who let fewer people to purchase goods and services, where technology is making our lives easier in fact. Fresco explains this situation as: ?Our present, outmoded political and economic systems are unable to apply the real benefits of today's innovative technology to achieve the greatest good for all people, and to overcome the inequities imposed upon so many, therefore competition and scarcity have caused an atmosphere of jealousy and mistrust to develop between individuals and nations. Our technology is racing forward yet our social designs have remained relatively static. In other words cultural change has not kept pace with technological change. We now have the means to produce goods and services in abundance for everyone?.
Like the monetary system, there are other social systems are addressed by The Venus Project in terms of ethical challenges. These are political and religious institutions which are also related to monetary system. The project was a main basis of a documentary movie, Zeitgeist Addendum (2008) and the role of these established institutions and their impacts were also subjected in the movie as the following part: ?The social values of our society, which has manifested in perpetual warfare, corruption, oppressive laws, social stratification, irrelevant superstitions, environmental destruction, and a despotic socially indifferent profit oriented ruling class is fundamentally the result of a collective ignorance of two of the most basic insights humans can have about reality: The emergent and symbiotic aspects of natural law. The emergent nature of reality is that all systems; whether it is knowledge, society, technology, philosophy, or any other creation will, when uninhibited, undergo fluid perpetual change... ...This means we must be open to new information at all times, even if it threatens our current belief system, and hence, identities. Sadly society today has failed to recognize this, and the established institutions continue to paralyze growth by preserving outdated social structures... ...The monetary system perpetuates an intellectual materialism not only by its self-preserving structures, but also through the countless number of people who have been conditioned into blindly and thoughtlessly upholding these structures, therefore becoming self-appointed guardians of the status quo?
An example which Jacque Fresco has given about the business and industry in the Zeitgeist Addendum movie can help to sum up the ethical challenges which is addressed by The Venus Project; ?if you came into my store and I said ?this lamp that I have got is pretty good, but the lamp next door is much better?, I would not be in business very long. It would not work. If I were ethical, it would not work. So when you say industry cares for people, that is not true. They cannot afford to be ethical. So your system is not designed to serve the well-being of people. If you still do not understand that there would be no outsourcing of jobs if they cared about people. Industry does not care. They only hire people because it has not been automated yet. So do not talk about decency and ethics, we cannot afford it and remain in business?.
4. Why This Project Is Really Ethical and Why to Trust It
As the proposals and the ethical dimensions of the project have been discussed, now the reasons what make this project ethical should be given. In my opinion, the radical and thorough change which is suggested by the project might seem like unrealistic at the first sight, however conceptually, the principals presented leads me to positive thinking and dreaming about a nice future. On the other hand, present monetary system has been tried for a long time and day by day, humans are suffering from the consequences of it. Fulfilling the demands of current economy does not seem like proposing solutions to end; war, poverty, hunger, deprivation, crime, ignorance, stress, fear, and inequity. Unlikely, it leads to increasing rates of these problems constantly.
Notaro (2005) also claims that; ?greed was the main obstacle towards the creation of a total environment in which man would live in peace with his fellow man and in harmony with nature. Most importantly, all the facilities are available to everyone without cost in a resource based economy where human greed becomes a thing of the past?. About the issue, Fresco declares, one that ?utilizes existing resources rather than money and provides an equitable method of distribution in the most humane and efficient manner for the entire population ... all the world?s resources are held as common heritage of all the Earth?s people. This is the unifying imperative?. These arguments represent the equality approach of the project.
Moreover, in a humanitarian aspect, it is indicated on the website of the project that in this new social arrangement of a resource-based economy, motivation and incentive will be encouraged through recognition of and concern for the needs of the individual. This means providing the necessary environment, educational facilities, nutrition, health care, compassion, love, and security that all people need.
Another, supportive instrument to ethical dimension of the project is its 18 goals which are presented in his essay by Fresco. Some of them which are most related to ethical issue are listed below;
„« Conserving all the world's resources as the common heritage of all of the Earth?s people.
„« Transcending all of the artificial boundaries that separate people.
„« Evolving from a monetary-based economy to a resource-based world economy.
„« Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability.
„« Redesigning our cities, transportation systems, and agricultural and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people.
„« Using clean, renewable energy sources such as wind, solar, geothermal, and tidal power, etc.
„« Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry and prejudice through education.
„« Eliminating any type of elitism, technical or otherwise.
„« Providing not only the necessities of life but also offering challenges that stimulate the mind, emphasizing individuality rather than uniformity.
Because of its egalitarian, humanitarian, naturist and environment ? friendly aspect, I believe that Venus Project deserves to be believed and trusted in terms of ethical concept.
Of course, for most of the people, not surprisingly, it might not easy to accept a theory like this. However, if we consider the unethical cases in the world, most of them will lead us to monetary and profit related issues. There are a lot of cases in the history, where unethical acts came true because of the conflict with economical interests. Fresco winds up the discussion with a nice quote in Zeitgeist Addendum (2008): ?The system I advocate, a resource based global economy is not perfect, it is just a lot better than what we have. We can never achieve perfection?.
5. The Possible Challenges Facing The Project In The Future and How This Project May Improve
First of all, the most important challenge that project might face in the future is the diversity of human. As a totally different aspect to the present system, it will be hard to establish a common collective between people on the world. There might be a lot of people who oppose this project with the argument of an imposition of a system. Imposition of a system might be perceived as limiting the liberty and therefore can cause an unethical impression.
Another challenge might be the people who believe that there is already too much technology in the world today, and that technology is the major cause of our environmental pollution. This fact is emphasized by Fresco as well, but he objects to this view and argues that the abuse and misuse of technology should be the major concern. In very simple terms, a hammer can be used to construct a building, or to kill another person. It is not the hammer that is the issue, but how it is used. Hence, Fresco means the being ethical is not the matter of technology but human beings.
And the last issue which has already been talked about and might challenge the project in the future is the question; if all people have the access to basic needs, what will be their motivation then? Again Fresco answers in this objection in his essay; ?this is tantamount to saying that children reared in affluent environments, in which their parents provide all the necessary food, clothing, shelter, nutrition, and extensive education, will demonstrate a lack of incentive or initiative. There is no evidence to support this fallacious assumption. There is overwhelming evidence to support the facts that malnutrition, lack of employment, low wages, poor health, lack of direction, lack of education, homelessness, little or no reinforcement for one's efforts, poor role models, poverty, and a bleak prospect for the future do create monumental individual and social problems, and significantly reduce an individual?s drive to achieve. The aim of a resource based economy is to encourage and develop a new incentive system, one no longer directed toward the shallow and self-centred goals of wealth, property, and power. These new incentives would encourage people to pursue different goals, such as self-fulfilment and creativity, the elimination of scarcity, the protection of the environment, and the alleviation of suffering in their fellow human beings?.
On the other hand, it is not easy to anticipate improvements to this project because it is still pending to be implemented one day in the future. Thus, the preparation period can be improved by increasing the communication and awareness around the world to gain supporters.
6. Conclusion
The Venus Project, as I have tried to present, is an alternative approach to current outmode mechanism of the world. It aims a social change, which leads humanity to a sustainable global civilization. Fresco, who leans on the blessings of the technology for the future, manifests a positive philosophy with his promising ideas and reveals a nice scene from our future with this part of his essay; ?As we enhance the lives of others, protect our environment, and work toward abundance, all our lives can become richer and more secure. If these values were put into practice it would enable all of us to achieve a much higher standard of living within a relatively short period of time--one that would be continuously improved. At a time when commercial institutions no longer exist, the necessity for prisons, lawyers, advertisements, banks and the stock exchange will serve no useful purpose. In the society of the future, in which the monetary system of scarcity has been surpassed by a resource based economy and most physical and creative needs are met, private ownership as we know it would cease to be a necessity to protect one?s access to goods and services. The concept of ownership would be of no advantage whatsoever in a society of abundance. Although this is difficult for many to imagine, even the wealthiest person today would be immensely better off in the highly productive resource-based society. Today in developed countries the middle class live far better than kings and the wealthy of times past. In a resource based economy everyone would live richer lives than the powerful and wealthy of today, not only materially but spiritually as well?.
The Venus Project helps us to understand that the only limitations are those we impose upon ourselves. It is not a utopian, unrealistic view instead it presents attainable goals requiring only the intelligent application of what we already know.
As a conclusion, I believe that the vision of the Venus Project and the aspect of the Jacque Fresco are worth to be praised. Unlikely to general attitude towards systems, Venus Project does not remain as a criticizer, proposes alternatives to current obsolete system.
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Bibliography:
Fresco, J. 2009. The Future and Beyond, [www.thevenusproject.com]
Notaro, A. 2005. Imagining the Cybernetic City: The Venus Project, Nebula, 2.4, Dec/Jan 2005
The Venus Project, [www.thevenusproject.com]
Joseph, P. 2008. Zeitgeist Addendum ? the movie
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What is their current finanical status, eg. how much money in the bank, any loans/etc.
Are there any budget plans for building a new home or community when they move or is that rather dependant on the sale of their existing home ?
At the moment, money paid towards DVD/Books, who specifically does that money go towards and can we have a transparent view of the accounts if the money ends up in some kind of organisation so that peoples concerns that the money may just be going into someones pockets can be put to rest.
(I do realise that monies maybe needed to pay for your own living costs/expenses/etc. but I believe it would be helpful to be fully open about these things so people are less worried about anything being a scam. (Being that there are plenty of other organisations, be they charities/etc. who just take your money, pay fat salaries and do little of importance with.)
What level of detail do they have on plans for buidlings and city layout, eg. rough artists impressions, rough architectual designs, full detailed schematics, etc.
If these exist, will they be made available freely so that others may use them in their own building/community design attempts.
I'm interested to hear about the history and lessons learn't in why progress in building a Fresco style world have yet to come about, even though I can imagine that many decades have been spent trying to achieve it. (As I want to build my own community in the UK, I wish to try and learn what lessons I can learn from others so I may benefit from their experiences and wisdoms.)
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Does Fresco or his wife have any helpful contacts in the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales) that may be able to help aid us in building a community straight away. EG people who would be willing to donate free land money, resources, advice, or expert help at least? Builders, Architects, Engineers, who would be willing to donate time and expertise for free would be very helpful.
We have the big ideas, but we have no funding. When we do ask for help we don't usually get any reply. If you could open some doors it would really be helpful.
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Are roxannes and jacques families involved in what they do?
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I've sent them an e-mail asking tem this but I haven't got a response yet.
What do you think of the clear tendency for a lot of this movement's members to believe in conspiracy theories, such as the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolitions and that the government is hiding alien technology?
What do you think of the skeptical community, which tries to promote rational thought and critical thinking through a scientific look at everyday claims.
And what do you think of the efforts of people like James Randi, who is known for his 1 million dollar prize for anyone who can prove anything paranormal or supernatural under experimental conditions and founder of the James Randi Educational Foundation and very famous for doing the sort of thing that Fresco says he once did with a psychic?
And what do you think of Sam Harris for warning about the dangers of religon and Richard Dawkins for promoting the point of view that there's no evidence for a god, and pointing out the strangeness of how societies have grown a sort of "Let's not comment on the irrationality of religious claims" attitude to religions?
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wow that is alot of questions. i will send them about 10 questions for now. continue with the questions, when they answer the first 10 i will send them more immediately.At the moment, money paid towards DVD/Books, who specifically does that money go towards and can we have a transparent view of the accounts if the money ends up in some kind of organisation so that peoples concerns that the money may just be going into someones pockets can be put to rest.What level of detail do they have on plans for buidlings and city layout, eg. rough artists impressions, rough architectual designs, full detailed schematics, etc.If these exist, will they be made available freely so that others may use them in their own building/community design attempts.Does Fresco/etc. spend much time surfing the web or reading/taking part in any forums ?
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I would like to know what happened to the old TVP forum on the TVP site. There was a small group of people there supporting TVP (I was there for years and ran TVP film events) and then suddenly without warning the whole forum was pulled. I came back from holiday and it was gone! Why? Happened? Can we get an explanation?ui
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They need money for their project in Ecuador.
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i had sent more questions the other day and roxanne replied
Ben I am sorry but we can't take these right a way. We are working on a new website and I am working on a lot of videos for it and also preparing for ZDAY. I will be back to you as soon as I can.
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I will send her more questions when she replies. i don't really know when, i imagine they r quite busy.
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so u guys know i don't think they will get to any questions until after zday. it's crunch time and they are extremely busy. roxanne told me they will answer more as soon as they have time. feel free to continue the questions, i just wanted u to know they might not be answered right awayQuote
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I have another question about Ecuador, if it's not too intrusive to ask, what part of Ecuador are Jacque and Roxanne considering moving to. If not a specific answer, how about the general location? I am fairly sure it wouldn't be the costal region.
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Re:Questions For Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows 1 Year, 12 Months ago
1. How much did it cost and what materials were used in the building of their research center in Venus,Florida.
2. Did they need to get any permits to be able to construct the dome shaped home.
3. Will they be willing to share blueprints for any of Jacques' Concept homes.
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Re:Questions For Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows and the Answers 1 Year, 11 Months ago
they were very busy around zday but roxanne just emailed me and told me they will be answering questions again. so i sent her about ten more. i should get answers by tomorrow.
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I think ive seen this question before but I just cant find it, plz redirect me if you know where it is.
Is it possible to visit The Venus Project? Im planning a trip to the USA this summer to visit a few places and I would really like to make TVP one of them. Ive always been fascinated by great visionarys and phylosophers who think "outside of the box" and Jacque Fresco is someone I really admire.
Yes, you can visit them but should make an appointment from what I understand. Also, they are planning to move some time in the future. So contact them and plan a visit, if they have the time.
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Re:Questions For Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows and the Answers 1 Year, 9 Months ago
1. Many current sources cite that the most immediate need is for a full screen movie to be made. What is needed to get us to that point?
More specifically
How much will it take to kick it into gear and get it out of the idea stage?
How much is estimated as being needed after that?
Are there any individual producers (multimedia, writers, actors, etc.) or producing groups already committed to the project?
And please toss in anything else you think might enable us to get more involved in making this thing happen sooner than later.
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2. Many of us understand that Jacque has much more complete plans for many of the concepts he's incorporated into his vision of a Venus city design. We also fully understand that these are intentionally being kept out of the public eye for fear of someone unscrupulously coming along and copyrighting them as their own.
So, how much money would it take for the two of you to own the copyrights yourselves?
Armed with this info, we just might be able to chip in and make it happen (I have already seen at least one thread in the forums with positive feedback). It wouldn't take much from any one member if enough members choose to contribute and you would be in a much better position to share the concepts with the Design Team. This will allow them to finally get to work making prototypes and working out bugs. I would not view something like this as charity since the eventual results are for the betterment of ALL of us.
Much Love and Respect to you both!
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Hi folks!
This thread is specifically for questions posed to Jacque and Roxanne.
If you want to have discussions about the questions that are posted, this is not the right place for that. Please feel free to start up a new thread and have phun with it.
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A wrote:
Dear Jacques Fresco and Roxanne Meadows,
... I seek some guidance however in how I can make a significant contribution with the Venus Project over my lifetime, specifically with respect to (name omitted) transportation.
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Who can I speak with to formulate action for such a plan? Which skills should I be developing to bring this dream forth? What experience should I seek?
I am currently debt free, and wish it to remain so. This grants me certain freedoms. How can I take advantage of this fact to put myself in a position now to benefit later? I have a year to play with before I resume my engineering degree, should I use it to find a job?
My biggest question and underlying curiosity is how can I make (name omitted) transportation a reality, and what should I be doing about it today to make a better future.
Best Regards,
A
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Hi A and Welcome to the forums!
The ever growing popularity of the movement has significantly increased the hectic lives of Jacque & Roxanne. As a direct result, they have not been able to find the time to come here and answer questions found within this thread. I will soon be working to consolidate these responses we have been fortunate enough to get from them and present it in a more concise manner (perhaps within the site wiki).
On the other hand, Peter hosts a bi-weekly Blog Talk Radio address where he tries to keep everyone up to date on what's going on with the site (it's much more than just the forums), what he's been up to personally for the movement and he also answers member questions during these broadcasts. In an attempt to get around their time limitations, Peter now brings Jacque & Roxanne onto the second half of every other show (every 4 weeks) to answer questions and give us an idea of what they've been working on, too. If you're interested, you can find all of the previous shows archived at PJ's Blog Talk Radio site below. I highly recommend using this resource to help keep yourself up to date with the movement, as well as to get Peter , Jacque & Roxanne's views on the questions that are posed to them.
www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph
So, to pose your question directly to J & R, your best bet is to post the question directly to the Q & A sticky we have for Peter's radio address. I will suggest that you specifically ask for Jacque's reply to it. Otherwise, Peter may think it's meant to invoke his opinion instead. You will find a direct link below.
www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/inde...id=232&id=172938
Once a show has begin, a new sticky thread is posted for use for the next show, meaning that this particular link will only be good from now until just before the next show comes up. So, you can always find the latest Q & A thread at the top of the forum section below. the thread will always use the title "Questions for Peter Joseph - Post Here [Part x]" where x is the number of the upcoming show. right now, it shows as Part 13.
www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/inde...howcat&catid=232
I should also mention that the show that was just broadcast this past Wednesday was wholly dedicated to another issue, so there was no time for Peter to get to any questions. This means that he will have quite a backlog of questions to go through in another week & a half and will very likely not get much further than half way through. The same might be said for questions being asked directly of J & R, but that remains to be seen. In other words, there is a chance that they may not have the time to get to your question the next time J & R are on the show. Then again, maybe they will. I'm just including this paragraph to help make you aware of the possibility and reason behind it if they are not able to get to the question right away.
If you have any questions, need help finding things around the site (it's really expansive) or just want to chat, feel free to PM me.
And again, welcome to the forums, A.
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What is their current finanical status, eg. how much money in the bank, any loans/etc.
Are there any budget plans for building a new home or community when they move or is that rather dependant on the sale of their existing home ?
At the moment, money paid towards DVD/Books, who specifically does that money go towards and can we have a transparent view of the accounts if the money ends up in some kind of organisation so that peoples concerns that the money may just be going into someones pockets can be put to rest.
(I do realise that monies maybe needed to pay for your own living costs/expenses/etc. but I believe it would be helpful to be fully open about these things so people are less worried about anything being a scam. (Being that there are plenty of other organisations, be they charities/etc. who just take your money, pay fat salaries and do little of importance with.)
What level of detail do they have on plans for buidlings and city layout, eg. rough artists impressions, rough architectual designs, full detailed schematics, etc.
If these exist, will they be made available freely so that others may use them in their own building/community design attempts.
I'm interested to hear about the history and lessons learn't in why progress in building a Fresco style world have yet to come about, even though I can imagine that many decades have been spent trying to achieve it. (As I want to build my own community in the UK, I wish to try and learn what lessons I can learn from others so I may benefit from their experiences and wisdoms.)
Does Fresco/etc. spend much time surfing the web or reading/taking part in any forums ? (I'm pleased to see effort now made to communicate between our two worlds so to speak, as again this is often an area of concern when you can't speak to the people at the top easily.)
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I am a new member and an mddle aged mom and student. Consider sending your kids to private Liberal Arts Colleges, such as Chapman University. This is where I first heard about and saw part of Zeitgeist Addendum. Some schools are still teaching people to think for themselves. As much as possible in the money-based economy we live in. I go to school on a naval base...the last part of the movie could not be shown because of this last statement largely:The Zeitgeist Addendum-Peter Joseph.Quote
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Now, who decided 'the last part of the movie could not be shown' ?
How could the people in that room understand the actual content of that film if that vital part was omitted? Remember that audience was, according to the correspondant, at a naval base, which meant all or most of the students were from service families.
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At the heart of this structure is the monetary system.
The fractional reserve policy is a form of slavery through debt, where it is literally impossible for society to be free. In turn, free market capitalism in the form of the trade uses debt to imprison the world and manipulate countries into sub servants to a handful of large business and political powers.
Apart from these obvious immoralities, the system itself is based on competition, which immediately destroys the possibility of large-scale collaboration for the common good. Hence paralyzing any attempt to a true global sustainability. These financial and corporate structures are now obsolete and they must be outgrown. Of course, we cannot be naive enough to think that the business and financial leaders are going to subscribe with this idea, but they will lose power and control.
Therefore, peaceful yet strategic action must be taken. The most powerful course of action is simple: We have to alter our behavior to force the power structure to the will of the people. We must stop supporting the system. The only way the establishment will change is by our refusal to participate while continuously acknowledging the endless flaws and corruptions. People won't give up the monetary system because of our designs and what we recommend.
The system has to fail and people have to lose confidence in their elected leaders.
As of now, the world financial system is on the brink of collapse due to its own shortcomings. The controller of currency stated in 2003 that the interest on the U.S. national debt would not be affordable in less than 10 years. This theoretically means total bankruptcy for the U.S. economy, and its implications for the world are immense. In turn, the fractional reserve based monetary system is reaching its theoretical limits of expansion. And the banking failures you are seeing are just the beginning.
This is why inflation is skyrocketing, all debt is at record levels, and the government and the FED are emerging new money to bailout the corrupt system. For the only way to keep the banks going is by making more money. The only way to make more money is to create more debt and inflation. It is simply a matter of time before the tables turn and there is nobody willing to take new loans while the faults grow, as people are unable to afford their current loans. Then the expansion of money will stop and contraction will begin on a scale never before seen. Ending a century-long pyramid scheme. This has already begun. Therefore, we need to expose this financial failure for what it is using its weakness to our advantage. Here are some suggestions:
1 - EXPOSE THE BANKING FRAUD.
Citibank, JP Morgan Chase, and Bank of America are the most powerful controllers within the corrupted Federal Reserve System. It's time to boycott these institutions.
If you have a bank account or a credit card with any of them, move your money to another bank. If you have a mortgage, refinance with another bank. If you own their stock, sell it. If you work for them, quit. This gesture will express contempt for the true power behind the private banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve (FED) and create awareness about the fraud of the banking system itself.
“Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of a pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money.”
~ Sir Josiah Stamp - Director of the Bank of England 1928.
2 - TURN OFF THE TV NEWS.
Visit the emerging independent news agencies on the Internet for your information. CNN, NBC, ABC, FOX, and all the others present all News pre-filtered to maintain the status quo. With four corporations owning all major media outlets, objective information is impossible.
This is the true beauty of the Internet and the establishment has been losing control because of this free flow of information. We must protect the Internet at all times.
“The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
~ William E. Colby, Former director of the CIA
3 - DO NOT JOIN THE MILITARY.
Don't ever allow yourself and family or anyone you know to ever join the military. This is an obsolete institution, now used exclusively for maintaining an establishment that is no longer relevant. U.S. soldiers in Iraq work for U.S. corporations, not the people. Propaganda forces us to believe that war is a natural thing and the military is an honorable institution. If our military men and women are so honored, why is it that 25% of the American homeless population are veterans?
“It is essential to persuade the soldier that those he is being urged to massacre are bandits who do not deserve to live; before killing other good, decent fellows like himself, his gun would fall from his hands.”
~ Andre Gide (1869 - 1951)
4 - STOP SUPPORTING THE ENERGY COMPANIES.
If you live in a detached house, get off the grid. Investigate every means in making your home self-sustainable with clean energy. Solar, wind and other renewable energy are now affordable consumer realities. And considering the never-ending rising costs of traditional energies, it will likely be a cheaper investment overtime.
If you drive, think about using public transportation more often. If you can't, get the smallest car you can and consider using one of the many conversion technologies that can enable your car to be a hybrid or electric or run on anything other than the establishment fuels. Also, buy local products as much as you can. Buy fresh local food. Local products don't have to travel half the world before ending in your home. Buy local products from local and small producers and stores. Not giant corporations like Wal-Mart.
“All peoples everywhere should have free energy sources.” [...] “Electric Power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive the world's machinery without the need for coal, oil or gas.”
~ Nikola Tesla (1856-1943)
“Nikola Tesla was not in this for the money. He wanted to give the world free energy. If we are to implement free energy in the tradition of Nikola Tesla, then we need to replicate not only his science but his humanity.”
~ Sterling D. Allan
5 - REJECT THE POLITICAL SYSTEM.
The illusion of democracy is an insult to our intelligence.
In a monetary system, there is no such thing as true democracy. And there never was. We have two political parties owned by the same set of corporate lobbyists. They are placed in positions by the corporations with popularity artificially projected by their media. In a system of inherent corruption, the change of personnel every couple of years has now very little relevance. Instead of thinking the political game has any true meaning, focus your energy on how to transcend this failed system.
“All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field.”
~ Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
6 - JOIN THE MOVEMENT.
Join [thezeitgeistmovement.com] and help us create the largest mass movement for social change the world has ever seen.
We must mobilize and educate everyone about the inherent corruption of our current world system, along with the only true, sustainable solution- declaring all the natural resources on the planet as common heritage to all people, while informing everyone as to the true state of technology and how we can all be free if the world works together, rather than fights. The choice lies with you. You can continue being a slave to the financial system, and watch the continuous wars, depressions and injustice across the globe, while placating yourself with vain entertainment and materialistic garbage… Or you can focus your energy on true meaningful, lasting holistic change, which actually has the realistic ability to support and free all humans, with no one left behind. But, in the end, the most relevant change must occur first inside of you. The real revolution is the Revolution of Consciousness and each one of us first needs to eliminate the divisionary, materialistic noise, we have been conditioned to think is true…while discovering, amplifying and aligning with the signal coming from our true, empirical oneness. It's up to you. THE REVOLUTION IS NOW.
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~ Jiddu Krishnamurti, at the end of Zeitgeist Addendum
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~ Peter Joseph (ZM London Lecture '09)
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