As a factual note to others reading this thread, there were events that occurred before my posting of the deleted thread in TZM forum.
After watching their movie I did a bit of searching online. I came across several articles. The list was quite large. I had much to look through. I spent a few hours looking around and noticed that some people were involved in a distributed computing project BOINC.
Here is a link to that page:
Here is what is there:
Help us by joining our ‘The Zeitgeist Movement’ team now!
The Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) is a volunteer grid computing system that uses your computer to solve problems. There are different projects on the network currently in development, such as ‘distributedDataMining’ which is a future project that will help research machine learning, which can help us in forming a resource based economy.
By downloading BOINC and attaching to the project aqua@home we can speed up research in quantum computing. If large-scale quantum computers can be built, they will be able to solve problems much faster than any current computers. This will help in improving the central computer of the cybernated city systems and computers generally.
We hope to get as many of the half a million members using their computers to help speed up research in this project. We want to produce the largest team with the most credit which will help gain recognition in the scientific research community and help us to become a highly respected organization. We hope to be able to build a relationship with D-Wave Systems, the company behind this project, so that they can help us build the central computer of the cybernated city systems when the time comes to build the first city. It only takes 20 minutes to install and set up.
Once installed, attach to the project aqua@home, then join The Zeitgeist Movements Team on aqua@home (Note you must be logged in on their website to join the team)
If you need help installing BOINC, and how to join the team, follow these instructions
You can add more than one computer to your member account.
We have a goal of having 25,000 active members on the team as this will allow us to rival some of the most powerful supercomputers in the world, this will help us gain recognition in the mainstream media! So please post this project message on your local chapters, Facebook pages, encourage your friends, family, co-workers to join the team and help us become respected in the scientific community and to create the number one team for aqua@home!
[GOT A QUESTION? VISIT OUR PROJECT FAQ HERE]
Thank you for your work.
Zeitgeist Technology Team
P.S. I (Douglas Mallette) am running this right now on my computer and it does not bog down my system. Also, you could just run it at night while sleeping, so you can help advance us into the future while you dream! :)
A list of scientific papers on AQUA
A white paper on AQUA for information about the science of AQUA's application
Any logical person would have to derive that TZM should not be making money, based on their teachings of a RBE (Recourse Based Economy).
I read up a little bit on what it was they were trying to solve with all of this CPU time, and it is quite impressive when you add it all up. They have quite a few people donating CPU time to solving the math revolving around doing quantum calculations on physical equipment. It goes something like this: For all you read everywhere about the quantum world, it is basically magic to us at this point in our understanding of the universe. We can make things that appear to violate the laws of physics and witness others. Super conductive magnets, perfect fluids, the lack of wear at the atomic level, black holes, etc., come to mind. Who knows what is really possible at the extremes of our existence? Hot and cold, fast and slow, big and small are examples. I read in a magazine, about ten to twelve years ago, where some scientists were theorizing that with one thousand controlled sub-atomic particles, it should be possible to factor a number 10 to the 80 power, almost instantly, with quantum computing. That is a number larger than the count of atoms in the known universe. It is amazing science. The take I got from what I read is that some MIT physics had discovered some math, around 2002, that stated that if you use any sort of physical equipment, certain laws of physics still apply to the total calculation, as it is being preformed on physical equipment. Something along those lines anyway is what I got from it.
After setting it up on a couple of machines and seeing the process, I had provided some CPU time to cancer research project in the past, I came to see additional information I was unaware of. There were a lot of pages open. I was trying to do IRC, without setting up a client, and their web interface did not appear to work. Possible red flag right there. There did not seem to be any help anywhere. Possible red flag right there, again. So as I searched, I kept coming across forum posts and blog posts everywhere. I read quotes where TZM members were calling each other names, etc., and I took notice. Another red flag. This was not something I would expect from a group stating we are all the result of our environment. It seemed hypocritical to me. It just did not smell right. Eventually, I ran across this post on the Internet:
You see, in the article is says D-Wave is trying to do business with Google and some of the creators of the code project aqua@home for distributed computing, apparently are, not providing the link here sorry, work for D-Wave company.
I am not saying all business with Google is evil, just that it seemed hypocritical for a group talking about getting rid of money, to be supporting a project with clear monetary gains. It was certainly a red flag to me. It was actually important enough to me, with my amateur hobby in the quantum world, to be concerned about what might be discovered and where that discovery might go. So I posted this:
Please note the spelling corrections below it, which I am going to insert here, for simplicity of review.
From the thread:
I have been learning about The Zeitgeist Movement (TMZ)
Something I read today on these boards concerns me. I understand these calculations are suppose to further science to help us all, but there seems to be an issue at hand that I would appreciate someone with understanding to explain.
On this thread:
QUIBIT CHIP Four quibits are symmetrically coupled via a capacitive island, the cross in the center.
By JOHN MARKOFF
Published: November 8, 2010
New York Times
•Google has received a proposal from D-Wave and NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory to develop a quantum computing facility for Google next year based on D-Wave technology.
Google is a company that is monetarily motivated and I see a problem with supplying a company with vast financial resources, mathematical solutions to complex problems, which, possibly, can only be utilized by those with the resourced for the materials and labor to construct such computing systems.
It seems to me that it is just like the nuclear bombs. Everyone knows the sciences, but only those with the resources can take advantage of the knowledge.
So I politely ask, "How is giving our CPU time to Google really of benefit?"
Furthermore, "Isn't this akin to sending out messages into space, oblivious of the possible chance that all exterrestrial life, that may be able to receive it, is friendly?"
This message was never replied to. As a result, I removed the software from my systems.
By this point, I had found TZM forum and had read many arguments between members. I realized that communication was difficult and I was not a happy camper to be tested before joining. I simply wanted answers to the BOINC aqua@home project.
Once I finally managed to past the test, I had already read countless reports of that “the test is fixed” and that you just need to keep answering it again and again. Many different pages appeared to report that the test was fixed. That even if you answered everything perfectly, you would still be denied. I have no proof either way, but it was a red flag to me to see that there were questions about this that the general public had and I did not see any TZM proof that this was not actually the case. They seemed to read right over the objections of many claiming dishonesty, and did not handle it properly, to my satisfaction, anywhere that I had read about it. It certainly seemed to me that others were experiencing frustration with a lack of transparency in regard questions being asked. Again, if you are secret group and it is part of your way to be that way, that is one matter. If you are calling for something, as in TZM case, of transparency, you better walk the talk or I will red flag you to myself.
So now I have experienced several undesirable situations with TZM. Yet, I realized we have faults and wanted to know more. I was now a member of their forum and could search through articles and respond. I saw a forum article on whether or not the vegan/vegetarian life style was supported and/or encouraged on their forum and I posted there.
I posted several quotes from famous people about the subject. Myself, I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian for about 30 years. Just like someone who believes in having a gun to keep the government in check, I have my personal choices that I wanted to see how TZM would handle. And not unlike one of the previous posters on this thread, I was not happy about the response I received. In his case, he stated what is the actually process to remove all the guns? What happens when those in control, even if they are decent people, die? They were excellent questions. As much as dreaming is nice, at some point your suggestions for the future must be workable in real life or you are talking out of your ass. Just like that, I posted some quotes. It may seem strange to you all, but even after about 30 years of vegetarian life, I was unaware of all or almost all of those quotes.
The first one was of concern the most regarding TZM. TZM preaches “the scientific method”.
My quote was this,
Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. - Albert Einstein
I did not see a single response to the fact that one of the most scientific minds, ever, in the history of the world, agreed with the idea and that further discussion of what his science on it was in order. They responded to the thread with indifference and ignored a known scientific person’s view on it.
This was not a quote from just anyone. What he says here is something he voices as, “other than his own opinion”. He states it as a fact. It seems important to me if I am advocating science as the medium to progress. He say’s that “nothing is more important for the survival of the human race”.
Those are very big words from one of the greatest scientific minds ever. It warrants proper review in an environment of any group truly concerned about scientific method.
This was a lot more than three strikes for me with TZM. It was clear at this point, to me, that TZM was a cult. Others have come to their conclusions in their own ways and from what I have read, make excellent points too.
When I posted my findings on their board, TMZ = Cult, they responded with deception and deletion of relevant information.
I do not need more than this to see the light. I am fortunate I was able to come here and vent and discuss it further. It certainly is not an option over there. Oh, btw, you can send the staff email, for media enquiries only. There is not a publicly posted objection box, accountability, answers to certain question, and most importantly, an acknowledgment of the dangers of abusive cultist ways that they are deploying. Given their count, it is a lot of pain for a lot of people. I hope it doesn’t get worse.