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Date Added: 03/13/2011
Not to hurt anyones feelings or sound like I'm bashing, but this 'paper' is really very poorly written.
Neither does she relate the context of the quotes she uses, nor did she actually invalidate any of those 'false claims'.
To be quite honest this seems more like an attempt to impress the less educated desteni-members by using law-terminology.April 03, 2012 10:51AM
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Quite a few of the Destonians at the farm are university students. If it is the case that Andrea Rossouw is formally studying Criminology and has submitted this paper to a tutor I would be interested to see how the paper is marked.
April 18, 2012 12:27AM
Date Added: 04/16/2012
This is my first post on RickRoss.com, having decided to 'speak out' -- as it were -- regarding my own personal experiences with the Desteni group.
I participated within the group for some time but certainly not to the extreme that others have. The initial impression I had was that Desteni were trying to do something worthwhile but after spending considerable time scrutinizing their operations it became quite clear that Desteni serves one purpose and one purpose only
-- to fill the coffers of Bernard Poolman. In the next few posts that I will be making here on the Rick Ross forum, I look forward to describing my encounters and interactions, welcoming any questions or comments.
The proverbial straw that broke the camels back, for the want of a better way of putting it, was the stark realization that in spite of all the blogs, forum posts, articles, videos and other miscellaneous propaganda that Desteni are pumping out, none of it matters. None of the subjects that Destonians discuss in their video blogs or forum posts are of any concern to Bernard or any of the other 'significant' members. All of those activities are naught but decorations to hide the ugly truth that the only thing that Bernard wants is for people to drone themselves out to him for the purpose of driving his pyramid scheme, disguised as a course/education/training with smatterings of "Equal Money System" thrown in for good measure.
For the benefit of Rick Ross readers, I am pleased to be able to provide these so-called 'course materials' for the viewing pleasure of those who are interested in seeing what a steaming pile of bullshit it really is. I will make them publicly available over the next couple of days after I secure somewhere permanent to host them from.
Of any organization or group, Desteni is the last on Earth that has any right to even mention the word 'Equality'. I sometimes wonder whether anyone in Desteni has considered how difficult it might be to have someone like Bernard championing an organization which preaches Equality. Telling people that they are fucked and siphoning money in return for a wagon of lies, shit and nonsense-speak does not equate to anything remotely like Equality, no matter what language you use. Desteni is not accountable financially which they would be if equality was really of any concern. Even the longest-serving of Desteni members seem to struggle with the concept of treating people equally or as equals, lashing out at others whenever it suits them.
Bernard likes to make a point of telling people that they're "fucked" -- perhaps Uncle Bernard should take a moment to look in the mirror? Something about Bankruptcy.. living in South Africa.. cough cough?
Oh and don't ask any questions unless it's related to "where to send money" and do not attempt to converse with anyone from the group unless it's via the official channels. The Desteni forum is exclusively for the likes of Lindsay Lee 'Hardcore Raver'/'I've got the Desteni Craving' Craver, Bella The Bullhorn, Anna Anarchy and others to egotistically masturbate Bukkake-style as they attempt to exercise 'so-called' intellectual superiority over each other by parroting bullshit mantra and blindly following one another like a swarm of lemmings. One of the people I just mentioned happens to be a compulsive groupie, always on the hunt for the next 'niche group' to bury themselves in -- one week it's raw foodism, next week it's hemp clothing, I'm sure there's been some flirtations with the gothic movement and maybe even Scientology somewhere along the line -- whatever keeps them far removed from the 'uncool' mainstream! Ah, the things that the daughter of Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty will do to try and separate themselves from the rest of the flock.
However intelligent they might present themselves, when asked about an Equal Money System they do not have the answers -- at least not the ones which are aesthetically pleasing, since the term 'pyramid scheme' does tend to make people wince and spits in the face of Equality. More appropriately, they're afraid to answer in case it's not the 'right' answer.
For reasons unknown, Desteni decided to lock down the public forum with absurd pre-requisites designed to enslave the eager by having them churn out more traffic-creating blogging goodness before being allowed access again. Digging through the annals of the forum pre-lockdown, one could find all sorts of long-forgotten and very incriminating tidbits by the likes of Darryl and other long-standing and since-departed members, discussing topics which completely undermine the very facade that Desteni is trying to present today, in a style that really shines a poor light on the whole show. Over time, these posts were identified and slowly deleted/archived/removed from public view, but not before I managed to whip up a PERL script which mirrored their entire website, forum included, with the assistance of httpget. After pulling down the entire site aside from the Private forum (and upwards of 5Gb data), sifting through the resulting directory structure revealed some very, very interesting things indeed. Oh, my word, yes.
Before locking down the forum and upgrading it, the version of the software which was being employed at the time contained a very serious exploit -- the ability to create a post, set the time and date to anything you like and stick it wherever you wish, in the past or future even. A careful investigation of the forum revealed a number of posts which had been created using this very exploit (there is a way to identify such posts and if you're careless enough to not cover your tracks, people like me can and will find them), along with the occasional reactivation of previously 'banned' accounts to create ad-hoc posts at times when the forum activity was receding. Then there's the matter of Desteni members who post on the forum under multiple accounts/false identities, but more on that in a later post.
Speaking of exploits, trying to 'extract' yourself from Desteni Facebook entanglement is an ongoing nightmare and speaks volumes about the problems with Facebook architecture
. Desteni on Facebook is like a parasitic disease with a severe case of OCPD - It seeps through all of the cracks and just doesn't know when to stop.
When time permits I will take a few moments to catch up on the rest of this thread and provide links to the Desteni 'course *cough* materials'.April 18, 2012 12:54AM
Date Added: 04/16/2012
Misleading video title: 'We have a cure for Cancer. Why haven't you heard about it?''
For one, the 'documentary' she is refering to seems to have a rather fishy background:
Also, am I the only one who thinks that her haircut suggests that she is a cancer patient recovering from chemotherapy? Simple minded people, who are, as we all know, Desteni's target audience, might be lead to believe that she is a former cancer patient who can validate these results (or maybe even that Desteni itself has some sort of share in this supposed wonder-therapy).
It speaks volumes about her mindset if she believes everything without questioning, as long as it has the flavour of conspiracy theory about it.
Indeed. At Desteni, cigarettes do not cause cancer, nor does exposure to radioactive materials -- it's your belief in the disease that causes it to suddenly appear in your body without any external influence whatsoever!
I dread the inevitable day when a life is lost because of the medical misinformation handed out by the 'intellectual superiors' at Desteni. It's amazing how so many of these these unremarkable, unqualified and inexperienced soap-boxers at Desteni are suddenly overnight experts in all things medicinal, medical, physiological and psychological, even the teenagers! Although one has to admit, there are plenty of certified 'professionals' out there who should not be allowed to indulge in their chosen field but this is hardly an accuse for Bernard and co. to play Doctors and Nurses.April 19, 2012 02:55PM
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Re: Desteni Insights
Hi BasicallyIntrinsic. Thanks, your post is very interesting. Here are a couple of questions...
Desteni serves one purpose and one purpose only -- to fill the coffers of Bernard Poolman
Please can you describe how it was you realized or discovered this?
And can you tell us exactly what it was that confirmed to you that
None of the subjects that Destonians discuss in their video blogs or forum posts are of any concern to Bernard or any of the other 'significant' membersMay 09, 2012 09:35AM
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Desteni, Equal Money System, Hydrogen Peroxide
As well as promoting Stanislaw Burzynski and his fraudulent cure for cancer...
Who is Burzynski and why is it illegal to cure cancer?
2012 Who is Burzynski and Why is it illegal to cure Cancer?
Burzynski Haters and Irresponsible Blogging
Desteni members are now promoting more quackery: ingestion of Hydrogen Peroxide
Hydrogen Peroxide - Miracle cure? Inhaling H2O2
2012 Drinking Hydrogen Peroxide
2012 - Daily Use of Hydrogen Peroxide for Your Health
Here are some links for background information:
Oxygenation Therapy: Unproven Treatments for Cancer and AIDS
Rational Wiki: Oxygen therapy
A Prescription For Death?
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Date Added: 03/13/2011
Spamanns advertisement of the same method:
Despite her claim that she 'just couldn't find anything negative about it', Sandman has just proven that indeed there are negative reports on such a smart practise as drinking bleach. In all likelihood she just didn't want to look for anything negative about it because her Desteni-buddies like the idea of a blonde colon so much.
Luckily she has no credibility as a journalist to lose anyway, or this might be a heavy blow...May 09, 2012 07:14PM
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Equal Money System, drinking Hydrogen Peroxide
So Ann Van Den Broeck (Spamann) couldn't find any negative information on the web about drinking Hydrogen Peroxide..? - and at the end of her blog post she writes:
"Before trying things like this, always do your research properly."
There is PLENTY of information on the web explaining the dangers of drinking Hydrogen Peroxide.
The FDA has been issuing warnings against it since the late 1980s, but of course groups like Desteni will see the FDA as trying to suppress alternative cures in order to protect the pharmaceutical industry...
FDA Warns Consumers Against Drinking High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide For Medicinal Use
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is warning consumers not to purchase or to use high-strength hydrogen peroxide products, including a product marketed as "35 Percent Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide," for medicinal purposes because they can cause serious harm or death when ingested. FDA recommends that consumers who are currently using high-strength hydrogen peroxide stop immediately and consult their health care provider.
FDA is working to stop companies selling high-strength hydrogen peroxide from making illegal medical claims about their products. These claims are illegal because these products do not have FDA approval and are therefore being sold illegally for medical indications without any proven clinical value. The products can instead cause significant harm. As part of these ongoing efforts, FDA today issued Warning Letters to two firms illegally selling "35 percent hydrogen peroxide" products on Web sites for the treatment of AIDS, cancers, emphysema, and other serious and life-threatening diseases. These Warning Letters are available on FDA's Web site, at [www.accessdata.fda.gov].
"This concentration is not approved by FDA for any purpose," said Dr. Steven Galson, Director of FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. "No one has presented any evidence that hydrogen peroxide taken internally has any medical value. In fact, consuming hydrogen peroxide in the manner touted by these websites could lead to tragic results."
FDA has never approved high-strength hydrogen peroxide to be taken internally and considers hydrogen peroxide at 35 percent strength dangerous, even if handled according to the manufacturer's directions. This high-strength hydrogen peroxide -- more than 10 times stronger than the solution used in over-the-counter drugs to disinfect minor cuts -- is highly corrosive. Ingesting hydrogen peroxide can cause gastrointestinal irritation or ulceration. Intravenous (IV) administration of hydrogen peroxide can cause inflammation of the blood vessel at the injection site, gas embolisms (bubbles in blood vessels), and potentially life-threatening allergic reactions.
FDA previously warned consumers, in an April 1989 press release, about the illegal promotion of industrial-strength hydrogen peroxide to treat AIDS and cancer, following at least one related death in Texas and several injuries requiring hospitalization.http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060730134156.htm
Here's another article on it:
Hydrogen Peroxide A Warning and a Dangerous Scam
Taken intravenously, it can damage blood vessels at the site of injection, produce bubbles in the bloodstream, and lead to life-threatening allergic reactions.
It's obvious that some people will try to sell anything to make a buck, but it's hard to believe that purchasers can be so gullible. It seems now that nothing short of an FDA warning will dissuade some consumers from ingesting lethal doses of hydrogen peroxide.
For some time now I've been aware of Internet ads for pills containing oxygen and for bottles of high-strength hydrogen peroxide. I hadn't paid much attention because I thought it unlikely that anyone would be dumb enough to buy them. Apparently, though, enough people have bought high-strength hydrogen peroxide to prompt the FDA warning not to purchase or use these products.
continues athttp://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support-forums/general-support/190510-hydrogen-peroxide-a-warning-and-a-dangerous-scamMay 10, 2012 09:50PM
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Desteni poisoning members, drinking Hydrogen Peroxide, Jonestown
Desteni is getting into lethal areas.
Encouraging the poisoning of their members now?
This must be another TEST set-up by the Desteni leaders, to see just how credulous and brainwashed a follower is.
Will they shave their head?
Will they pull their teeth? Its escalates and escalates...and then the ultimate TEST.
Is the follower brainwashed enough by the Desteni cult to drink the potentially lethal hydrogen peroxide on the rural farm?
That is one step away from drinking the lethal kool-aid on the rural farm.
Anyone who sees illegal activities in any group or sect that could cost people their lives, of course should report those to the local authorities.May 11, 2012 07:51AM
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Sunette Spies, schizophrenia, mental illness
Yes these practices are all designed as a test of loyalty to the cause. On their forum you can see that they have all now committed themselves to blogging for Desteni with self-forgiveness every day for the next seven years. So if Poolman can get people to do that for seven years and ingest Hydrogen Peroxide, change their diet, sleeping patterns, erase their personalities etc then he will have willing slaves to do his bidding.
It states on their FAQ that Desteni are against medical opinion so they won;t care about whatever the official line is on these quack therapies or diets. They have been trying out the Blood Group diet and the Ketogenic diet which as far as I know is usually recommended for children with epilepsy.
Like the Scientologists they are also against psychiatry. Sunette Spies has no medical or psychiatric training or qualifications but pontificates on mental illness and implies that Desteni can help people with mental health problems. She writes:
So, with Mental Illness - the extent of the Mind's integration into the Physical, and because the Mind is no more as structured/specific due to misalignment's in the entire Mind, it's not just as simple as changing/transforming the program due to the severity of the consequence of the mind in the physical, and how the mind even changed/transformed the very physical-fabric/alignments. So - to walk out of Mental Illness - one will even have to reconstitute the entire physical-fabric design of the human physical body and for this, you have to stand/be equal-to and one-with the physical absolutely. This only pertains to the most severe cases of mental illness. There are beings that have faced mental illness that can walk the process of writing, self forgiveness and self corrective application to re-align themselves with/as the Mind and stand up where the mental illness is not yet as extensively developed/manifested - and there has been individuals that has already walked this process through aligning themselves with writing, self forgiveness and self corrective application, but this is does not pertain to all cases, it depends much on the individual.
There is a Cure for Mental Illness: You Are Not That
It might sound like nonsense but not to those people already receptive to the Desteni teachings. It is remarkable how often people diagnosed with schizophrenia and other health problems turn up on the Desteni forum. Just for the record here are links to some examples:
fall in love with wommen of desteni and some secret police stuff
There is a 100% Cure for Mental Illness
My mental health condition 2006-present
In this post I'll write something about my mental health/illness during the last 5 years. I'll try to be as self-honest as possible.
1 DEPRESSION EPISODE: Until the begining of 2006 everything was pretty much OK with my mental health. The troubles then began in May 2006. I fell into depression as a prodrormal phase of psychosis (as we will later see). It lasted like 4 months and I'm proud to say that I managed to beat the depression on my own, without medications.
i have been unemployed since 2005. i recive velfare money. because i was diagnosed with schiziophrenia, snce 2001. thats the reason of alkohol, drug, sexual content, and personal misery, etc, abuse in general, have gotten me so low down nitty gritty, its gotten me to the extent to not talk aboute schizophrenia: its not smart. people are judgefull. both ways, and it causes diferences. i dont write , anywhere that i have had, masturbated to pedophile porno, and that i have made people hurt and been holding up abuse.
2012: ADHD Isn't Real - The Truth About Medications
Within this video I am sharing my experience with the diagnosis ADHD,
how I got several different drugs/medications and how I later realized that medication isn't a solution.
2012: Anorexia - My Body is My Enemy
Within this Video Interview I am continuing My Story of Anorexia and I am specifically speaking about how I experienced myself within the years of 9-11.
This is a period of time that I haven’t opened up before, I was rather suppressing it because I simply didn’t want to admit what it was that I was experiencing within my world/reality in this period.
i'm eighteen. i began to observe desteni since i was about sixteen. i've spent nearly half a day thinking about this post. i was diagnosed within the autism spectrum from an early age, a diagnosis that is only based on actions, mannerisms and speech patterns.
I need help now
Hi! My name is Ebba and I'm 20 years old. I´ve had eating disorders since I was 12 years. I was treated for that from that I was 14 until I turned 18, when I finished the treatment voluntarily because I did not feel that I received any help that gave permanent results. I have during this time tested almost all the help that is available: I have had conversations on an eating disorder unit for several years, both psychologists, nurses, doctors and occupational therapists.