I think I made a fault. I checked only on a surfaced level the last comments and I was wondering what their value are with respect to the topic. But now after having glanced through it, I think they have some interesting points. The issue of spiritual materialism and also Chögyam Trungpa seem to fit well into a discussion of NKT too. So I do apologize for my previous comment because it was based on my misunderstanding on what is going on at this forum and a suspicion a NKT follower might twist the discussion but this doesn't seem to be the case.
The list of cons Sulmaya gave at this forum previously is quite interesting to me, I couldn't see it that way, and actual they sound really a bit like "NKT propaganda" to me. I feel them to be based on a lack of having studied qualified outside of NKT and under qualified and leaned teachers.
To give some examples among the cons Sumaya sees in NKT are:"Thoroughly inspiring and clear, giving you the full scope of Dharma from A to Z. Very open, very practical and very profound. Linguistically, they surpass most other authors on Buddhism I have come across"
If this is Dharma from A to Z please show me where and how KG explains the Vinaya or what you do if you recognize that your teacher is not really qualified? Where does he say when and how a monk has lost his or her ordination, what vows can be purified and what vows cannot be purified? If you drink alcohol as a monk or nun, have you lost ordination, if you killed a mosquito, did you lost your ordination, if you lied about something have you lost your ordination? I can tell you there quite a lot of important Dharmas utter absent in the NKT. I could not really refer to it as Dharma from A to Z. Even his explanation of faith is weird and unclear and "faith" forms a basis principle of the NKT cosmos. (for details see: [www.amazon.com
] see especially the comment section where I put quotes to explain what faith is all about.)"- Great education programme and teachers, providing something for everybody, from
basic breathing meditation to mantra workshops to Highest Yoga Tantra teachings. All very practical, down to earth and positive. The style of Buddhism is very well balanced and close in spirit to the Atisha – Je Tsongkhapa."
How can you make such a claim based on proper discriminating awareness, did you follow other qualified Dharma study programs, and did you read the works of Atisha and Je Tsongkhapa to be able to see that they are "close in spirit to the Atisha – Je Tsongkhapa."? I assume not or only on a surfaced basis. I have done now more studies outside of NKT than in NKT (and I was a diligent student in NKT) and based on my basis of knowledge—which is utter limited compared with a Geshe or Rinpoche knowledge but not with respect to NKT presentation of teachings—this belief explained above is not concordant with the facts but thin air, a propaganda tale of the NKT which everybody absorbs who follows NKT for a while, and which can be corrected only if one truly studies outside of NKT.
"- The greatest emphasis in all their books, teachings, festivals, etc is universal compassion.
Nothing is ever done without it."
That everything is done with compassion is a claim, a mere claim. I doubt this statement, there is a lot of talk about compassion but not necessarily "nothing is ever done without it" if this were true than also the covered sexual abuse within NKT is done with compassion. Very interesting."- They are independent from the Dalai Lama and other Gelug groups; this is a positive thing. The tradition thus has remained clear, focused and been able to flourish in the direction it has always been aiming."
Nothing is really independent, also not the NKT, even the robes depend on Tibetan Buddhism and KG's Geshe title. Independence and isolating oneself are different issues. Though you referred to another type of independence, if it were good to have isolated from the wider Sangha than also Devadattas actions to become independent from Buddha and his students was a good action? NKT has isolated from their root, the Gelug school. This needn't be a good thing.
"- The organization is humble and democratic. There is no profit being made resulting in a select few members getting fat and wealthy, and all centres function as independent communities, with all their members having a say and a voice in what happens and the changes that take place."
The decison maker is KG and nobody else there is only pseudo democracy on the paper in NKT but I lack time to explain in detail why this is so and what my reasons are to say it. I think after 12 years of having followed NKT (as you Sulmaya did and what has my respect!), it needs a lot of time to work through all those things one has learned there and to truly verify and re-evaluate it.
I wish you all the best for your journey Sulmaya!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2011 09:20PM by Tenzin Peljor.