The idea that there is some kind of nefarous 'green agenda' and that global warming, etc. do not exist is nonsensical. Scientists have confirmed and re-confirmed time and time again the perils facing the global environment. As discussed in the following article.
Yes, dating back to last year…
In my own opinion, the morass of conspiracy theories that plague the Internet are part of a rich compost in which various kinds of cults are able to put down deep roots and really flourish. I consider these ideas as much part of the 'cultic milieu' as any of the New Age notions discussed on this thread. Discussions on this board are supposed to serve those strugling to exit from cultic groups/ relationships..
This could be an explanation of what you referred to:
All these threads fall into your categories... as is, with any theory (i.e., prior to or after
coming out of the daze, it's always depending on what side of the fence you're standing. Whether that be 'religious', 'political', 'spiritual', 'ecological' or, as you point out; "conspiracy nut theories".
It is worth noting that all these cults often have, at their origin, the cult leader in question having a distorted view of the world.
But, as far as theories are concerned, & the reality of what is happening on an every day to day basis (parts of the US are seriously snowed under, Europe has not seen such masses of snowfall in ages), it is not a morass of conspiracy theories
, just right in your face evidence of climate change being very mightily a 'change' but not necessarily towards global warming...
Like I have said, I do not belong to any 'cult'.
I have been affected by them from day one & although no-one at that time
would have described "fundamentalist Christianity" as being cultish, it has found its way onto this website which was created in June 2002.
So the 'gap' between when this
'religious direction' was not
considered 'cultish' (in 1970) but "the right way to do our Lord's work" & the 'stature' it has taken on in today’s "perception & environment" are quite different. And so it is with your view of "consider these ideas as much part of the 'cultic milieu' as any of the New Age notions discussed on this thread".
They should probably be kept somewhat within the realm of verifiable facts in order to prevent further confusion, cognitive dissonance and disassociation from the society at large
Peculiar... I think that there is no black & white, but there are plenty
of shades of grey... As an example, if I were to state Einstein's relativity theory back in the late 40s to the mostly uneducated public at the time, it could very easily have fallen into the above-mentioned example of yours. And, yes, by 'extremists', it could very well have been considered as a 'diabolical plan' by a group of people that, as you say, contribute to "'confusion' & 'disassociation from the society at large". Just as the scientists at CERN are decried by various religious fundamentalists (notably American) as 'interfering with God's plan'.
Time has a way to teach those who care to remember. People don't
change. The atomic bomb hasn't taught those in power to stop their warfare. It has only sophisticated the whole 'machinery'.
To tell you the truth, I have come to a place where I hardly believe any
'official' mumbo jumbo being sold as "the
truth"... The first casualty in politics is precisely the truth. Same goes for 'religious', new age or any other agenda driven belief system.
As a matter of fact, I don't believe anything & I question everything, especially
'official' taglines... As an example, I don't find that link 'black sun' that convincing either... But that's another matter all together...
I have been betrayed too often by 'official bodies' & 'official', outwardly "well-intended" organisations, people I had no choice over, being enforced
to "trust" at an age when I had no choice who abused my vulnerability well & thoroughly (with the American seal of the US Consulate to close the deal properly).
With that awful experience of being at the hands of (mostly but not all American) individuals, I have pretty much lost faith in anyone
trying to 'convince' (i.e., 'sell') me of their "brand" of "truth as I 'tell' you". When 'theories' are no longer just "a rich compost in which various kinds of cults 'flourish'" but you've experienced them & their devious agenda in the full bright light of the day on your very own person, it then goes pretty much without saying that 'official' "yes-sayers" (i.e., politicians driving the 'global warming agenda', 'missionaries' doing "the best for all these poor orphans") are not exactly a reliable source of 'trustworthiness'.
As many "pro" global warming sayers there have been, there at least as many that who take the opposite stance. As the game of politics & let's not forget, religion, goes, it is almost always without exception tied into big money (yes, I know you may think that is once more some "conspiracy crap"), the one who can 'fundraise' the most cash can bring his
side of his
"cultish view" to the fore with the most exposure.
That isn't conspiracy 'stuff', that's just politics plain & simple.
And, as the saying goes, money is in & of itself, not
evil. It depends who
uses it for what purposes. In the world of (US) politics that certainly goes hand in hand with getting the 'candidate's version being 'promoted' the most to the sheeple... (i.e., the cultish, brainwashed 'public' being drowned by propaganda in various forms – I know what
that looks like... I had the dubious 'privilege' to live in LA when Arnie was running for governor of CA).
Talk about 'cultish'!
It was enough to make any
critical person wonder whether this whole circus was nothing but a huge 'brainwash' machinery to get the 'voters' (sheeple) to "vote for" X or for Z.
I am not
the least surprised that there's such a variety of cults in the US... Having to witness 'pro' demonstrators for either candidate, the really
out of control, overemotional
behaviour on either side... It's enough to make any
half-decent sane person run for cover... Never mind the 'pro' global warming defenders or their counterpart.
It makes one deeply
suspicious of anything that is 'promoted' as a "solution", "truth", "justice" or "scientific", not to mention, critical thinking ability with the detachment necessary to actually engage in this without becoming personally derogatory or insulting (as corgirl
so beautifully portrays).
The common thread that shines through invariably is this "either/or".
Corgirl's 'expose' is such an example, where she is repeating her Hinduism "line of methodology comparison of 'one vs the other" to seemingly drive home the point of my being unable to distinguish one from the other all the while generously insulting me as being 'off me trolley' which then very clearly shows that as much as she would like to be "above board" & "above reproach", "having it all figured out" (ivory tower style), it has taken on a distinctive "I can't stand
you- you make me sick! Get lost & go away!" vibe that is as emotionally coloured & biased as one can get... So much as to the 'unofficial' forum queen.
With time I've certainly come to a conclusion that America seems to be infected with a cultish-oriented mentality... It runs deep within the American psyche, more so, than in other countries.... I'm not saying that there aren't 'movements' existing in other countries, such as China, Japan, Korea, or continents (Africa, Europe or anywhere else in the world), but America in particular seems to suffer from that infliction more than any other nation I know of.
It begs one to question why
But then again, as mentioned above, when one has witnessed the way the 'body politic' is running elections, it doesn't surprise one at all... Elections are a circus anywhere on the planet but...there's something very fanatic
about how it's run in the US...which is certainly extremely unnerving to observe for an outsider. The one thing kept that coming to my mind whenever I saw all these people lining both sides of the streets & literally shouting into my face to 'vote for' Arnie or his counterpart; was: "they're all mental". Why would it be any different with the "saviour boy" now?
Maybe it has to do with a deep unconscious inclination to be in denial (starting with how America was 'won'), the bigotry of "the end justifies the means" (the endless slaughter of killing indigenous tribes in order to get cheap farmland), the hipocrisy that says one thing but really means something else entirely, and, last but not least, the obsession of being in power & running the show...
America is the country of make-believe. Everything's for sale. Emotions, love, health, religion, truth, science, babies, law, religion, politics, your sanity. It's running through the whole fabric of society. It's no wonder then, that this is the perfect
platform for all these contorted ideologies to grow faster than there are enough people to keep them from springing up everywhere - akin to Medea's head, who, as soon as you have cut off one head, up come another 10 before you know what happened!
As I have said previously, one needs to look at the root of the problem
If you keep looking at the outgrowths of the dis
-ease (cults & sects), you do not
solve the problem.
So rather than getting 'lost' in outwards ideologies of "pro" global warming, or "morasses of conspiracy theories that are part of a rich compost in which various kinds of cults are able to put down deep roots and really flourish", or intellectualised regurgitated mumbo jumbo semantics of critical thinking vs spiritual or, integrating both, I, instead, have, from my own observations, (& I do not stand alone in this) come to question, why the American people have such a need to run with anyone who looks half-way as if they could take the people to the promised land. Be that political, ideological, spiritual or religious...
The only 'reality' that seems to be constant is the "two party" system - i.e., black or white, red or blue, good or evil, conspiracy vs. other possibilities of reality
, child-parent like relationships represented in almost every aspect of American ideology, be they political, religious, spiritual, scientific.
It seems to me, that one major factor in contributing to this psychologically immature inclination to 'look for' somebody to "give them direction" seems to be that it hasn't really evolved emotionally since the beginning of the DoI.
Spiritual independence is in complete
contradiction to being a follower, no matter which orientation or 'cloak' it may present itself in. Ultimately, that leads to not defending or feeding any
one particular 'agenda', doctrine or belief system for a prolonged period of time.Spiritual maturity
is being able to take on board that which one deems agreeable within one's own worldview & perception of reality, and being able to let go of it when it no longer is 'up-to-'date' as we (hopefully) evolve, grow & become a fully conscious mature individual, able to think for ourselves, to be critical of everything
that comes in before 'making up our minds' or simply decide to not have any opinion at all
& to just let it be
& remove oneself completely from any 'too extreme' ideology, or doctrine, no matter how 'benign' it may seem on the outset...
Ultimately it comes down to making a conscious
choice to stand on your own
feet, with no one
dictating you to "pro/con", "this
theorem over another", "this way of thinking/critical analysis", "what spirituality is or isn't" but to gravitate towards that which solea13 has said themselves: to exit from cultic groups/relationships.
Any position that is 'defended too strongly' bears within it the risk of taking on 'cultish' group/relationship like behaviour. It ends up trapping the one who sought 'truth', 'justice', 'freedom' & 'independence'.Spiritual independence
, if I am not mistaken, is, I would think, the hoped for & attempted for goal within the context of "exiting 'cultish' brainwashing methodoligies". Be that conspiracy theories, contorted rationalisations of trying to sound all 'intelligent, wise & 'mature' all the while masking as envy in the form of attacks & insults.
To walk away from this whole charade & truly, verily, authentically stand on your own, by yourself
, no crutches of any
kind (least of all too many books or too much information!), takes enormous self-discipline, self-reliance, resilience & the determination to not waver at the first sign of being "put on the spot".
To disentangle oneself from the need
to be "liked", 'approved of' or "respected" is granting one that freedom which one seeks. An autonomous, self-aware, fully integrated individual within oneself, warts n'all, secure & strong without having to make amends or apologies (or, for that matter, justifications as well as rationalisations) for that which one feels is true, irrespective of the masses' common denominator that would have you believe anything but.
Lack of critical thinking seems to be one of the reasons cults have such a great following, in spite of all the hard work people in all areas of society are trying to invest in to curb the exponantially growing 'membership' all across the planet...
True, authentic freedom demands being able to take full responsibility for oneself & not direct the blame on an outside source. It demands we not only develop but also choose
to use all
our faculties without exception & at all times, in order to maintain the balance within our self-established independence. This message board is, if I understand correctly, the starting platform from which we can grow mature & as capable of our own destiny in every sense of the word.Especially
If that is not the genuine underlying common denominator, I truly might have missed what this whole message board is about.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2008 10:22PM by xythos.