Just to clarify - I'm not American. I don't want to get into details for the sake of privacy, but I was not born or raised here. I imagine that there are many people of different nationalities posting on this board, don't you think? I do speak a little French from time spent living in that country also.
Probably... It is tricky though... Especially
when it turns to US politics. Thing, too, is that if you travel a lot (as I did until the last two years), you do get to 'see' a lot of different 'life perspectives'. By & large, as I'm sure you know, travelling in & around Europe is so much easier than say, for ex. from Oz to somewhere else... I also know from living in the US that people there just don't get any time off – the most, if they're lucky that is – is a fortnight. And then of course, money is a big issue, too (that applies for Aussies as well....& the way things are going, for the rest of the world...!).
So, yeah, travelling really teaches you more than sitting in the library all day or behind one's pc...(grin-wink)!
My comment about 'black and white thinking' was not directed towards you personally, I meant it generally. I think we can all succumb to 'black and white thinking' from time to time. I know I have in the past and I do try to guard against it.
Oh, ok, gotcha...! Smile. I try to write 'one' instead of you because it is more impersonal... So
aware of the language, somehow...
I was using N. Korea as an example of a more totalitarian state than the US. Perhaps you would prefer me to say more 'obviously' totalitarian than the US ... ?
Yeah...I think that would make sense...
I'm glad that you had already discovered Arthur Deikman's work. I think it's good that you started some new threads in which to discuss the topics that are of interest to you.
Um, I feel that becoming aware
is a very
difficult & tricky road to say the least... There is so much resistance, too, because of the intrinsically stored
memory of one's own experience with cults/sects or its 'methodology'. A lot of people that have not experienced the aftermath
of the 2nd WW cannot really begin to relate to why we are much more aware of the whole 'propaganda drivel' that 'cloaks' itself as 'political truth'...
'Recovering from New Age Mumbo Jumbo' seems to mean different things to different people. Some of the people in my group believed that they had been 'liberated' from the cult of American society. Those people had no problem in ignoring and breaking normal social mores. For example:
-They would happily lie to people on the 'outside' because those individuals were considered to be 'asleep' and that they were being deceived for their own benefit.
-They had no problem stealing money to pay for 'higher level' classes.
- They would cut themselves off from their families because family members were 'asleep' and 'unspiritual'.
- In general if an individual got sick it was because of something they had done karmically to bring it upon themselves.
Yes, I hear you. And, I am glad to say that for me it has not really ever gotten that much out of hand, just bad enough to know that I was burned badly & I will always try to fight anything that looks remotely like taking on that form, no matter how 'benign' it might seem on the outset... Like I said in my "what cult were you in?" I always walked away of my own accord – and I s'pose I've never really been 'owned' to the degree of being held a literal 'prisoner' of a cult – a thought I'd not rather not engage in...
My country of residence is too antagonistically geared to be susceptible to the degrees of a Jim Jones cult or 'Scientology'. Jehova's Witnesses are absolutely hated round these parts. And, it might surprise you, but it has a lot to do with what the country had to go through under the Nazi regime (the Nazi regime was a cult, too, BTW, & Hitler was their cult leader - it's just that a lot of people do not really know the background of how it all started...).
So those are just a few examples of the kind of New Age Mumbo Jumbo that I am in the process of recovering from.
I cannot even imagine having to been down that path that deeply – granted I've fallen for one con after another but I guess bucking authority – period
! – is a pretty good 'built-in' protective mechanism to never fall privy to such a degree for anyone telling how
to think or how to act & behave...
one has to sort out valuable mythology and things of that nature
Did you know that Hitler was majorily
into mythology, astrology & the occult? I don't know if you're aware of it, but Hitler was part of a little known occult group called "The Thule Society". The other major important influence was "The Vril Society". The Nazis were the first to build 'man-made' Ufos – their proper description was "Foo fighters" that were used for only a short period of time during WWII (and, Wernher von Braun was then 'hired' by the Americans & ended up being the founder of NASA [www.n-tv.de
] From the Nazis to the NASA
The whole SS 'brotherhood' (Bruderschaft der S
onne) was built on German mythology – of 'tales of an ancient race' with ties going back to Tibetan Buddhism (I am not kidding!) as well as the Upanishads & Veda myths....
So, as you can see 'new age mumbo jumbo' has only ever been 'updated' throughout the centuries...to be 'adapted' to a new 'audience'. Again, this isn't conspiracy stuff (at the risk of boring Sparky to bits) – it is officially known as a part of the whole Nazi myth – the Aryan race ('Brotherhood' – so nothing much new there) & it is also one of the reasons Nazi-ism has never left the landscape...It isn't really 'neo-'nazism
The point in fact is that they have never left.
If people would actually realise this they wouldn't need to scratch their head in disbelief. It's simply knowing history & seeing the consequences & 'spreading' of the Nazi mentality all over the globe – exported to all corners of the world – the Colognia Dignidad in Chile is one such example. Here's another article from n-tv, a German information channel that has run a whole tv series on Hitler's occultists (Rudolf Hess was way into astrology). The article in particular relates how in 1938, Germans in Argentina were celebrating
Austria's "joining" the German Reich.
] - short excerpt (if you read German):QUOTE20.000 Deutsche und Österreicher feiern am 10. April 1938 im Luna-Park von Buenos Aires in Lederhosen, Trachten und mit Hitler-Gruß den "Anschluss" der Alpenrepublik an das Deutsche Reich.UNQUOTE
On 23rd of June '08 n-tv showed a repeat of "Hitler's mystics" (a two part series [www.n-tv.de
]). The synopsis read:
Die "arische Herrenrasse" sollte wiederauferstehen und jeder noch so abstruse Mummenschanz war den Nazis dafür recht. Heidnische Bräuche, nordische Sagen und mystische Astrologie waren ein unheilvolles Gemisch, um Adolf Hitler als neuen Messias zu stilisieren. Die Nazi-Elite selbst befragte die Sterne und SS-Chef Himmler hielt sich gar für die Wiedergeburt des mittelalterlichen Königs Heinrich I. Mit welchen okkulten Mitteln die Nazis ihr sogenanntes "Tausendjähriges Reich" etablieren wollten, dokumentiert diese Reportage.Translation:
"The Aryan Master race was to rise once more & every absurd masquerade was 'appropriate' in the Nazi's view. Pagan rites, Nordic sagas & mystical astrology were an ominous combination to 'stylise' Adolf Hitler as The New Messiah
!!!. The Nazi elite itself consulted the stars & SS Chief
(Heinrich) Himmler thought himself to be the reincarnation of the medieval king Henry the 1st. This report documents with which occult methods the Nazis were attempting to reliven their 1000 year reign
So, the 3rd Reich never left. That isn't
a conspiracy it's just plain fact. The German Nazi mentality is stronger than ever. And, by the looks of it, Obama is busy establishing the 4th reich in the US (same economic problematic circumstances, same 'approach' to "masquerading" him as "The Messiah" - check out the subliminals & you'll see what I mean).
Those who have experienced the Nazi regime have already tried to warn the American public that he is using the very same tactics & emulating Hitler's "Arbeit macht frei" - "Work frees you" - the enforced labour camps by 'Obamanation', forcing everybody to do 'labour/commjunity work' in the US. The whole scenario is replay of what happened before Hitler came to power. That's
why it is so dangerous...
The new age mumbo jumbo courtesy brought to you via satellite/national tv....! History repeats itself all over again...!And it works like a dream every single time because people don't know or remember history!!!!
Ignorance is bliss - or is it?
from sheer nonsense, and even deliberate lies, and even mental illness in some cases. No wonder people get lost in that morass for life.
Hitler was crazy. So was Jim Jones or is Robert Mugabe. Different races, same mental illnesses... And, make no mistake, it is still very strongly present in the German mindset "Bei uns zuhaus!" - meaning "on our
homefront it's all still best!"
I'll have a deeper look into the skepdic website though...
but falling into the New Age trap is 1000x easier than getting out of it. we have to develop a strong Bullshit Detector.
Well, the dumbing down of the masses certainly is instrumental in achieving this & has a lot
to do with it. It makes the whole thing a lot
easier to achieve. The ignorance of US citizens is truly quite unnerving. One has to have experienced it 'live' because it really is truly quite unbelievable. I'm not sure what it's like in Oz, but on the continent this side, we at least still have what one could refer to as proper
journalism (& I'm not talking about the 'average' Krauts here). The French are by far more intellectual & scrutinising than the Germans.
The Beeb (BBC) has also become more convoluted lately...
Certainly, ignorance of history seems to be the real problem
– and, let's not forget that most of how the world has & is gravitating towards with head-on full speed is the paradigm of "keep 'em distracted 'methodology'" & 'info-tainment' rather than real news.
Spin is a great way
to spread misinformation - Rupert Murdoch, as I'm sure you know, is the unquestioned leader in this. Even more so than Ted Turner ever was with his CNN.
I'm not saying there's not garbage tv on this side of the pond either, but there is still a bit more sophisticated real
news that can be considered as such. And, of course, the more language channels you have available (uh, provided you understand the language!), the more diverse
the 'format' of the news is.
New age nonsense is more rampant these days than it's ever been - 'thanks' to garbage tv, garbage food (which has an immediate impact on one's ability to apply one's brains to the utmost extent & to function properly - period!) as well as environmental influences that slow down your overall ability to stay
I am not joking! If you have ever seen unmarked planes in the sky – which I saw time & time again when I lived in LA, CA, seeing the weird
spraying these planes emit, and the headaches that people experienced thereafter - you might have an idea what I'm talking about.
Of course, one actually would have to notice the planes in the first place before being able to make the connection!Good
sources of information make all the difference. And, a nation that has had to fight for its sovereignity under the Nazi regime is much less likely to 'surrender' to the prepared BS propaganda (which also opens the 'doors' to being susceptible to other dubious BS sold as 'alternative' "new age crap") because they can see it for what is because they've been through the whole spiel before.
BTW, the Germans are still the most prone to this - might be surprising ... but nothing is obvious... Like I said, they've never really 'recovered' from their
own myths....! New age crap then has easy game with them folks...
That's one of the biggest differences between the 'old' continent & the fairly "new" ones that have been 'conquered' by European settlers not that long ago compared to their 'recent histories'.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 12/23/2008 04:29AM by xythos.