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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: cultkiller ()
Date: October 10, 2012 04:11AM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again . .

It's so good to see that people are coming together to, finally, do something about Ki Wealth / InnerShite.

Ex-victims have come to the conclusion that the 'masters' and the 'wanabe masters' are obnoxious, conceited, arrogant, power-hungry, egomaniacal, deluded . . and that's just where it starts.

The people under God's microscope in this whole sorry business surely are the 'masters'. Those people arrogant enough to entitle themselves as such really need extensive psychotherapy.

At the end of the day, is it truly the honour of 'doing good for humanity' that attracts 'trainees' to take the step to becoming 'masters'? Or is the real attraction the POWER that being a 'master' bestows upon them that is so seductive?

With variously pure / impure hearts, they will follow the yellow brick road, only to realise that at the end of it, the Wizard of Oh is a shyster in a beige dressing gown, who sucks in his cheeks and uses the phrase 'but now' a lot.

After a 'trainee' becomes a 'master', only the brave will turn back and return to Kansas. The rest will gradually / suddenly turn into zombiefied automatons.

LET'S BLOW THE FINAL WHISTLE ON THESE FREAKS - NOW.

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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: Innersoundwatch ()
Date: November 17, 2012 01:08AM

Master Oh has now been telling his London masters, who of course are passing it on to all the members, that the Mother Grandmaster and Jungshim have been pardoned by the Korean government. Funny thing is that this is not true at all, their convictions haven't been overturned by the courts and the Korean government hasn't pardoned anyone since 2010- and never pardoned them. You have to feel a bit sorry for all these people I mean Oh knows they can't speak Korean so just makes up what he wants and it's almost impossible for anyone to check. This psycopathic fraudster really needs to be exposed,even to his poor underlings- who deserves prison more than this man- really?

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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: Wishwash ()
Date: November 17, 2012 06:57AM

Well, I guess that is why the organisation is so small- luckily they are not clever enough to tell lies that cannot be checked or can be 'spun', they tell lies like this- so anyone who bothers to check up on this, or the Olympics dance crew etc etc, just sees they are totally full of it. I guess they are overconfident because all the members just swallow their fairly tales about the Ancestors... " your 5th cousin on your mother's side had, depression and she needs extra help, you need to do more Ancestor Training for her"... Is anyone on this board in contact with current members- how can we pass on this information about the ridiculous lies they are resorting to now?

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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: PastMaster ()
Date: November 17, 2012 07:06AM

Yes, after the president pardon the head of Samsung so many Korean people complain- now the government does not do pardon for few years. There is no Pardon for this group. This is another lie.

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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: Peter Daley ()
Date: November 25, 2012 02:39PM

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Innersoundwatch
Master Oh has now been telling his London masters, who of course are passing it on to all the members, that the Mother Grandmaster and Jungshim have been pardoned by the Korean government.

Speaking of Jungshim, here's an interesting PDF file produced by them identifying the convicted criminals as founder and it also mentions that they were chosen by the Supreme God as humanity's saviors. They later got divorced though, right?

[www.ctr4process.org]

The same site has a brief article and low and behold, despite claims accompanied by threats to the contrary, it seems Jungshim and Ki Health/Innersound are one in the same after all. Now isn't that a surprise.

[www.ctr4process.org]

Page 7 of the above PDF, the Jungshim members interviewed gave the Kihealth website for those looking for more information about Jungshim. Oops. Didn't they get the "Let's deny we're related" memo?

And regarding "Master" Oh's claims they were pardoned, well let's just review what was said in the Korean and international press at the time of their convictions and ask ourselves if that's at all likely. I'd say it's as likely as the "Supreme God" of the universe choosing those criminals for anything other than an eternity in a very very hot place.
It may take a while, but eventually we will get official confirmation one way or the other about "Master" Oh's claims his criminal messiah woman was pardoned. Frankly I don't think it changes anything anyway.

[english.chosun.com]

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Prosecutors announced Sunday that they have arrested forty-two members of a doomsday cult called Cheonjonhoe, including its highly deified husband and wife leadership.... Once arrested, however, the couple announced through their lawyer, now also under arrest, that the end of the world had been delayed ten years. The organization has a W150 billion temple in Hongcheong, Kangwon Province.

I wonder if the lawyer was also convicted and later pardoned?

[articles.chicagotribune.com]

And one more.
[www.culteducation.com]

There are other articles, but they've been mentioned already.

And this is also interesting. A 1998 request for information from a concerned friend of a member:
[h-net.msu.edu]

For those not aware, Chun Do Sun Bup was Innersound's original name.

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I am inquiring whether anyone is familiar with a South Korean
group called Chun Do Sun Bup that has recently spread into
the US. They have been around for approximately 30 years
but claim that their beliefs are based on 6000 years of Taoist,
naturalist and Buddhist belief. However, I have called the
Korean Consulate, the Korean American Association, the
Korean Times and numerous Buddhist and New Age
places and only two people had ever heard of them. One said
they are a fringe group he didn't know much about and the other
met them when they came to his store to advertise their
massage therapy. Basically, they advertise $30 healing
massages and $5 one-hour meditation classes.
However, a close friend of mine has been going since January.
They encouraged him to go to the center Monday through
Saturday for as many classes as he could. Eventually they
invited him to participate in their Sunday feast ritual where
they make lots of food for the angels and ancestors and
earthlings, chant and pray and then eat. So,
for two months he was going 7 days a week. Then they
told him that for $135 a week, for 7 weeks, they will help
him perform his own feast ritual for his mother,
who recently passed away. For these rituals he is to make a 9 course
meal. The more elaborate the meal, the more meaningful it is supposed to
be. The number 3 is significant, so it is quite a lot of food. The times
for the meditation classes are also significant, I recently found out that
the angels will get upset if the classes are late unless they intervene
with prayers.

This group is supposed to be more established in Australia and their
spokesmen in Chicago, LA and New York are Australian men. The Chicago
business has 2-3 "masters" or teachers and only 6-7 students. The
teachers don't seem to have any relationships outside the group and are at
the center most of the time. The spokesman at the
Chicago branch admitted that he gave up his business for this group.

I am not familiar with Asian religions and I am concerned that this group
may be dangerous. My friend concedes that they appear to be a cult, but
he doesn't feel that they are dangerous and wants to continue the rituals
for his mom and classes. Does anyone know anything about them or where I
might inquire?

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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: simplify ()
Date: November 25, 2012 05:51PM

Thanks Peter, excellent articles, I'll keep copies of the PDFs in case they or the links disappear. It is sad that the spokesman mentioned in the 1998 information request gave up his business for the cult. I wonder what became of him?

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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: Wishwash ()
Date: January 13, 2013 05:20PM

Should this list without the column's x'd out be posted for the chaos it will cause the organisation, and I'm sure some members will be embarassed into leaving? Or do too many people get hurt? What do you think?

Member Name Surname Email Master Support Level
x x x CHUN I
x x x CHUN I
x x x CHUN KIM I
x x x CHUN B
x x x CHUN B
x x x CHUN JUNG I
x x x CHUN B
x x x CHUN B
x x x CHUN B
x x x CHUN I
x x x CHUN I
x x x CHUN I
x x x CHUN PARK B
x x x
x x x JUNG JU B
x x x JUNG GI I
x x x JUNG DAE B
x x x JUNG JIN I
x x x JUNG JU I
x x x JUNG JIN A
x x x JUNG SUHN B
x x x JUNG I
x x x JUNG KIM B
x x x JUNG MARIE B
x x x JUNG ALL I
x x x JUNG JIN I
x x x JUNG B
x x x JUNG JIN I
x x x JUNG PARK I
x x x JUNG B
x x x JUNG JIN A
x x x JUNG SUHN B
x x x JUNG I
x x x
x x x NAM B
x x x NAM B
x x x NAM PARK I
x x x NAM CHUN B
x x x NAM MYEONG B
x x x NAM MYEONG B
x x x NAM I
x x x NAM I
x x x NAM I
x x x NAM I
x x x NAM I
x x x NAM PARK I
x x x NAM B
x x x NAM I
x x x NAM KIM B
x x x NAM B
x x x NAM CHUN I
x x x NAM B
x x x NAM CHUN I
x x x NAM I
x x x NAM B
x x x NAM A
x x x
x x x PARK KIM B
x x x PARK MYEONG B
x x x PARK B
x x x PARK JIN B
x x x PARK I
x x x PARK WJN B
x x x PARK JIN B
x x x PARK B
x x x PARK B
x x x PARK CHUN B
x x x PARK SUHN I
x x x PARK I
x x x PARK SUHN B
x x x PARK I
x x x PARK KIM I
x x x PARK SUHN B
x x x PARK B
x x x PARK KIM B
x x x PARK I
x x x PARK B
x x x PARK JIN B
x x x PARK B
x x x PARK SUHN B
x x x
x x x SUNG MARIE B
x x x SUNG ALL S
x x x SUNG B
x x x SUNG I
x x x SUNG I
x x x SUNG JIN B
x x x SUNG SUHN B
x x x SUNG B
x x x SUNG I
x x x SUNG JIN A
x x x SUNG MYEONG A
x x x SUNG I
x x x SUNG CHUN A
x x x SUNG B
x x x SUNG I
x x x SUNG I
x x x SUNG JIN A
x x x SUNG JIN A
x x x SUNG JIN A



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2013 05:20PM by Wishwash.

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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: anhonestman ()
Date: January 14, 2013 08:55AM

People here might be interested in seeing Eric Cathan's feed on You Tube, he's one of the Australian 'Masters' and goes by the name of Master Sung:

[www.youtube.com]

For such a 'spiritual' person it surprising to see that he's subscribed to such stations as BigBootyTallahassee and FreezIced which are both semi pornographic.

Here's another video of Master Oh giving a treatment:

[www.youtube.com]

At around just after a minute you can see he's just man handling the poor woman's breast rather painfully.

When will this insidious cult be stopped who steal money from those with the least and offer them false hope when they're already suffering from illness.

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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: Innersoundwatch ()
Date: January 15, 2013 12:48AM

The young lady in the Mail article has passed away and she claims they blackmailed her not to speak to the press but she did anyway- if she can be brave enough to speak out in the face of their threats no one else has an excuse. Wishwash, I think if that list is current then publish it- if people want to stay members of this organisation when they now what happened to that young lady then let them wear it publicly. If it is a list older than 3-4 months it seems a bit unfair to me to embarass people that have already left.

Regarding anhonestman's post- well they are obviously deprived like Catholic priests and acting out, but the difference is they aren't bright enough to hide it. It's like the bible says: how do you tell the good guys from the bad guys- by their fruit. A rotten tree makes rotten fruit and a healthy tree makes healthy fruit. Their fruit is rotten in every way- clearly!

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Re: Ki Health International = Money Grabbing Cult run by Criminals
Posted by: anhonestman ()
Date: January 15, 2013 11:23PM

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Innersoundwatch
The young lady in the Mail article has passed away and she claims they blackmailed her not to speak to the press but she did anyway- if she can be brave enough to speak out in the face of their threats no one else has an excuse. Wishwash, I think if that list is current then publish it- if people want to stay members of this organisation when they now what happened to that young lady then let them wear it publicly. If it is a list older than 3-4 months it seems a bit unfair to me to embarass people that have already left.

This is utterly tragic how a dying woman spent her last days being cheated by Innersound/Qi Wellness rather than having the opportunity to make the most of what was left of her life. Master Oh and his cronies pray on people like this and bleed them dry while making themselves out to be genuine and caring which they most definitely are not. I'm sure that the Innersound mob are breaching their terms of tenancy by sleeping in a commercial property. I'm certain if the proper authorities were informed that it could cause them problems.

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Innersoundwatch
Regarding anhonestman's post- well they are obviously deprived like Catholic priests and acting out, but the difference is they aren't bright enough to hide it. It's like the bible says: how do you tell the good guys from the bad guys- by their fruit. A rotten tree makes rotten fruit and a healthy tree makes healthy fruit. Their fruit is rotten in every way- clearly!

It seems that a number of the Innersound/ Qi Wellness videos have disappeared or have been locked yet Master Sung aka Eric Cathan's video feed is still there for everyone to see. I believe that Innersound / Qi Wellness 'Masters' can get married but even though the pickings are slim I don't blame any of the women for not marrying Eric Cathan / Master Sung.

I'm quite bemused that they've changed their name to Qi Wellness because I'm sure if people were to search the term Qi Wellness they'd find out that it's just Innersound and that they are a cult that falsely claim that they can cure cancer and charge thousands of pounds to heal dead ancestors. The poor people who do this ancestor healing or family healing think they are cooking food for their dead ancestors but they're actually feeding the 'Masters'.

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