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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: March 11, 2023 03:53AM

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> What with its main holy book being centered around
> a religious war and
> pretty much every purana exploring violence and
> justifying it:

Violence characterizes this planet and humanity. Billions of killed animals - breeding. The same is seen in nature. Similarly, the brief moment of a unipolar world order was maintained by the hegemon's dominance anyway. There is also violence in religion.

> Never mind its unstoppable problem with rape,
> women abuse and religious
> intolerance of anyone that does not worship 4
> headed, four armed, monkey
> and elephant gods or the humble cow...

One or two cases of rape in Poland at the center were hushed up. It is also interesting that instead of acting wisely - due to the fact that the emergence of this fact will cause "Mission will be finished in Poland" - it was hushed up. Schematic operation. Why should one case of rape be the end of the cult in Poland? That's what Tapaysa das said. Why should one case be the end? And why this wonderful spiritual student sent by the "guru" from Hawaii, the guru of the whole world, estimated that one case of publicized rape would end the Mission in Poland. little faith? Why, according to the witnesses, was he supposed to exert severe pressure on the victim who eventually left? He could have taken the challenge, but he chose to pressure the victim. Why? Because he had nothing. No spiritual realization.


> he had hoped to create. Bhakta dating sites,
> Instagram gurus and fancy
> temples in paradise open to the yoga/hindu shmindu
> seeker of baloney.

Dating sites are indeed an interesting phenomenon. Where's the meditation? Where are the family traditions.


> Think about it. To the average Gaudya, their naive
> conception of what
> "goloka" is, is just as simplistic as the
> Christian heaven. Everyone
> just feels good, is eternaly young and all the
> animals live in peace.

An anthropomorphic, terrestrial concept. If it was a cosmic slime which it doesn't touch, it also turns into a cosmic slime, drawing satisfaction from the enlargement of the cosmic slime and matter enjoying being a space slime, and also due to the consciousness falling with the square, the possibility of meeting your own slime branch will bring joy from the lack of loneliness of the slime in space - that would actually be a different concept.

"Slime in the space!"


> Like Tusta et al, there is always a faction of
> followers touted as important and pure. Assess
> what qualities make them such and money and
> followers is close behind...

Yes, you can see that the mechanism of creating idols in the group when they leave creates the need for others to take their place. And it's even in the fingers of people like Madhava dasi - advertising Tulsi Gabbard (without researching who she is, what she does - she took money from Planned Parenthood). So is Wai Lan. It was reported by former members that before they could meet Wai Lan, they had barely watched a couple of tapes, already the lack of worship of the videotape deity was subtly stigmatized. Someone who has not seen this Chinese holiness cannot be a good sheep.

> When I went to my first Beach kirtans in Malibu as
> a child it was really the first time that I had
> witnessed such an intense paranoia, fear and
> confusion at the arrival of Chris Butler with his
> awkward wife.

How did the couple behave in public? How did it look like?

> the time. Certainly on a molecular level there is
> nothing that we can observe that has the
> definition of what we consider to be love. The
> all-loving being makes it pretty much impossible
> to love. Creating a world that cock blocks your
> attempt at every turn from knowing "him", it's a
> miracle anyone even believes in god any more.
> That's the real miracle. Millions of years of
> evolution and humans have not figured out who god
> is, where he is, and what good is he for? Rapes,
> storms, earthquakes and murders? His "holy name"
> sure as shit has not changed the ebb and flow at
> all. And we all know the definition of insanity...
> chant on your beads till you become blue in the
> face.

Well. The SIF narrative "is it love or lust" as I wrote has its limitations. The Zen master was asked about contacts with women to answer "it wasn't love, it wasn't lust". Gaudiya teachers say that lust is unfavorable when it occurs without love. So there is this duality present according to them in the physical dimension. And what can be accepted as love - Buddhist compassion for every living being, empathy supported by practical action - feeding, defense or readiness - sensitivity. But further? What is attraction, infatuation, love for a child or attraction to an animal form of a certain type - dog, monkey or cat. Horses, cows or chickens. What about unconditional love for a spider? Or to a cockroach?

> only used within the cult. Same thing with a
> preoccupation with pastoral romanticism. One can
> find its roots in all sorts of Village religions
> throughout India in the Middle East all the way
> into China and Mongolia. Never mind the growing
> pastoral romanticism present in medieval
> Christianity and many other faiths.

Romanticism. In this dimension, love cannot be romanticism. Because there is suffering. Limitations.


> Prior to the composition of the srimad bhagavatam
> there was really no Radha and Krishna cult in
> India. So, at some point this sect arose as a
> poetic fascination that took hold in the political
> and public consciousness. No real veda mentions
> krishna, hardly vishnu, let alone their supremacy.

There are some indications that the Atharvaveda elements came first. On the other hand, in the Balkan countries, in the times of Chaitanya, the tradition of singing "sevdalinka" appeared - a combination of Slavic, Turkish, Jewish and Gypsy elements.


Many geographical features in former Yugoslavia or Bulgaria bear names referring to Sanskrit terms with their sound. There Are Sanskrit archaisms in Lithuanian. Most of the symptoms are ignored. The past may not have been as reported by the Vedic groups or current science.

>
> [jacobin.com]


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He described India and Israel as “ancient civilizations [that] have much in common politically and economically and share strong democratic beliefs, traditions and values.”

Geopolitically, China was the lever for the conflict with the USSR. Now that China is too much of a challenge, maintaining hegemony with India, military and financial with the UK (historical East India Company) is the focus. Worse, India likes cooperation with Russia. And the fact that the Jews came from India and were expelled or that they are a faction of the Gypsies - it is better not to raise the subject.

> [www.nepalitimes.com]

Common sense always necessary. And all kinds of knowledge.

> [religionnews.com]

By passion from ignorance...In our poverty we can by proud...

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: March 11, 2023 04:37AM

Chanting 64 rounds a day, or 16 for that matter does not leave much time for "service". I know few if any devotees these days that chant more than 4-8 rounds a few times a week. Japa's fallen out of vogue.

Most devotees and ritual-based cult systems don't amount to much more than a robotic reflex. Ever heard a take of Srila Prabhupada chanting on japa mala? It totally sounds like an evil robot: [www.ctpost.com]

In my years as a devotee hearing devotees bang out rounds on their beads (gotta make that 16 rounds prabhu!) was almost laughable. You cannot even make out what they are saying...

ha kish ha kish kish kish ha ha ha ra har ra ra ra ha ha

(nevermind every vedic scripture worth it's salt stipualtes that a mantra must be uttered properly to have any effect—not that they have any effect to begin with other than prhaps calming and disengaging certain critical thinking areas of the brain)

In fact, after the first few times a ritual is performed, it amounts to nothing more than muscle memory and a mindless habit. devotees hit the floor in obeisance with a random mantra. If you stay down a little longer maybe Gurudev will think you are more serious...

So robot pujaris? I'm all for it. Let prabhu sleep in. Sleep undoubtably has more vlaue than waking at 4am and walking in circles and staring at statues. Evolution values sleep over japa.

Religious fanatic Tulsi Gabbard: [www.thedailybeast.com]

Gabbard spends her days doing just that: Gabbig. Gabbing about total nonsense and bullshit. About Biden being Hitler, about all of us being gods kids, about babies being aborted after birth, about transexuals taking over the planet, about democrats hating religion, about god (did I say that already???), about god. About democrats being racists against white people. Poor white people. About hating being called a russian asshole (I mean asset). You can almost smell Butlers decaying breath when you hear her speak on FOX news of all reliable news shows. Only "god" knows what they are paying her to distract the amercian public.

I love how when you read the comments about all her "god loves us all!" crap, everyone is like, "Depends on what god...", "Only jesus is the way!", "God loves everyone but he hates trannys and fags!!!", "God loves everyone, but not the blue god..."

Gabbard, who is no doubt a lesbian, has no kids, yet she is somehow so very concerned about teaching people to not be bullies to kids that don't identify as a specific gender. To her, any education that fosters a sense of equality, and fairness and does not denigrate a class of people based on their sexuality or gender is "racist!". Gabbard can't get down on homosexuals anymore, so she is gonna vilify Transgender people now and incite outrage in people about nonexistant problems (kids getting puberty blockers etc). Have you ever met these types of fuckers who make all sorts of baseless conspiracy claims like this? Guess what, they are also the same fucker who believs in 20 other unfoudned conspracies and love spreading them as if they are facts. Like Butler and his idiotic claims that there are people living with no brains (total bullshit) so this is somehow proof that consciousness and awarness are not dependant on a brain sytem. Butler gave so many lectures claiming bullshit like this. No one even bothered to see if he was stating somehting true. Docile cult brains made fertile through mindless drone chanting...

TULSI GABBARD is a TALKING HEAD for Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa Chris Butler Jagad Guru... She is a pusher of his ideology and she is just as delusional as he is/was. The dangerous difference is that she has a platform like no other that actually can and will incite religious nutjobs as it is already. You can see the level of intelligence based on the type of comments she attracts from total religious fanatics. That is who she appeals to: Gun-loving, anti-liberal/anti-progressive social reform, irrational god-freaks. She appeals to the nutjobs who blow up abortion clinics and attack the US capital. That is her voter base. Your next president will no doubt be Trump and Gabbard here in america. The pussy-grabbing president and the cult-robot. What could go wrong?

We're living in a country here in america that has no problem rolling back history and human progress by banning abortion, yet somehow Gabard is touting idiotic falsity that democrats are fighting for after birth abortions like it's some "agenda" they have on the front burner. She paints Biden and Hilary like war criminals who want to get americans bombed by Russia. You know, cause that would totally improve their approval ratings and get them re-elected. Holy holy shit. The depth of her ignorance knows no bounds.

Run.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 12, 2023 12:25AM

Considering how Krishna shapeshifted, Prabhupada, Chris Butler and Tulsi should be teaching us to honor trans people!

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: March 12, 2023 03:01AM

Exactly.



corboy Wrote:
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> Considering how Krishna shapeshifted, Prabhupada,
> Chris Butler and Tulsi should be teaching us to
> honor trans people!

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: March 13, 2023 09:16AM

Run Forest Run, thay gay club infiltration is truly sick.
Nothing can rectify the crap show that is going on in this material realm.
If we look at history, all the people who wanted to make a poaitive change, like Luther King, Gandhi… got eliminated.
You are supposed to protect yourself from the material realm as much as possible. Not to enter gay clubs in order to find out about their sexual acts.
Talk about these acts in the most graphic way when 5 year old kids are around.
Devotees are so blinded by butler that even if he himself becomes gay, they will accept it. I can almost guarantee that even if he snorts cocaine in a public lecture, they will say that he has purified the coca plant.
I tell you this is how much power he has over the followers.
Everybody knows that there is NOT a more corrupt entity than politics. Yet he throws a woman to the wolves.
She deals with some hateful comments every single day for what? To End up at the white house one day?
For what? To give people krishna in their usual lying and sneaky ways like their Woofing programs, the free Yoga classes…
Imagine putting some discreet yoga music like madana mohana while people visit the white house.
Call the white house dog Rama and offer people prasadam cookies.
Hire devotees only to work for the Potus as cooks and cleaners.
Make sure you sprinkle some toenail powder in the food when world leaders visit.
In this way maybe some dictator’s heart softens by ingesting the maha toenail.
Honesty and transparency don’t exist in butler’s dictionary.
But in this imperfect twisted reality, we compromise as perfection and pure truth don’t exist.
Since none of us have truly come across a flawless personality like Jesus (real or fiction), our standards are quite low.
How is it possible that butler is considered perfect? This is quite alarming and a proof that devotees are 100000 blinded by the veil of illusion.
It is not that they are stupid. Their eyes are covered. All that counts is the blissmeter.
For me this path is more what Narayana Maharaja has established.
Not one foot in Maya and one in Krishna.
They are fully focused on their trip.
If you ever watch the disciples series on Youtube talking about their gurudeva, you can sense they are on a different level than soi and isckon.
What the hell do they care about changing the world and gay people?
I think that it is already a huge job to run that giant mental hospital and the few who need exorcism.
The fact that devotee’s minds trouble them so much and they must chant like robots to fight the mind, is because their minds are effed with 24/7.
These poor souls are alwasy under pressure and dealing with fear and petty BS.
The mind does not usually just attack unless you go through a mental illness phase.
The mind of devotees is tortured by going beyond their limits to serve, walking on eggshells, being afraid to get kicked out.
So of course they must chant and serve 24/7 in order to never question or have doubts about the mental hospital and the not so qualified psych, gurudeva.
By the way, I laughed so hard when you sescribed how devotees chant the maha mantra.
I hated it when we would get up super early in the middle of the winter.
Too cold to go out for walks.
So you were stuck in a room and you had to deal with the kish kish kish kish sound.
Never heard the proper maha mantra sound during japa chanting.
There are times I feel like crying and days I feel like laughing.
Ultimately the joke is on all of us who believed that butler is a pure representative of god.
We must either cry or laugh thinking about the tears we shed for him and the holes we made in our pants by hitting the floor as soon as his voice would come out the lecture.
The kind of prophet who puts the cross on the back of his disciples while he pretends that he carries their karma on his back.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: March 13, 2023 01:54PM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> Run Forest Run, thay gay club infiltration is
> truly sick.
> Nothing can rectify the crap show that is going on
> in this material realm.
> If we look at history, all the people who wanted
> to make a poaitive change, like Luther King,
> Gandhi… got eliminated.
> You are supposed to protect yourself from the
> material realm as much as possible. Not to enter
> gay clubs in order to find out about their sexual
> acts.

Adhering to Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 1, the decision of Maraharaja Pariksit - Kali can do whatever he likes but in secluded places under the control of the authority. In this sense, it gives permission but under control. Infiltrating a spiritual group and showing it to children - doesn't that break that rule?

> For what? To give people krishna in their usual
> lying and sneaky ways like their Woofing programs,
> the free Yoga classes…

It is incredible what mess they do. Yoga is Yoga, Vedanta is Vedanta, Nyaya is Nyaya....

> Make sure you sprinkle some toenail powder in the
> food when world leaders visit.
> In this way maybe some dictator’s heart softens by
> ingesting the maha toenail.

Did they really do it? Black magic control?


> with the kish kish kish kish sound.

"Kish kish har har" is some other mantra. A bit of home country or drunkenness. "Kysz kysz mysz mysz" - "run mouse" or "Kish kish" in the sense of "kisz ogoreczka" -"pickle the cucumber" - suggesting the preparation of cucumbers for a party with vodka or an encouragement to have sex. ""kish kish bark bark"..

RUN...



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: March 15, 2023 07:13AM

I am curious about something. Does anybody have an idea how the Bowler operation started?
Was he already into smuggling when he got into chanting?
I mean how the actual hell this came to be?
How is it possible that they all went along with it?
I can imagine the convos.
“Oh come on. They will buy the hashish anyway. If not form you, someone else.
And besides the money is used in krishna’s service”.
I wonder if any of them felt guilt in their hearts and could sense they were going against scripture?
I honestly can still not digest all the info I got in the past years.
Feels like I have landed in an alternate hellish universe.
This is the person I considered as holy as a Jesus figure.
It is truly mind blowing how many things they were able to keep secret.
They make the CIA look like amateurs.
Ultimately it is all quite sad.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: March 16, 2023 12:58AM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> I am curious about something. Does anybody have an
> idea how the Bowler operation started?
> Was he already into smuggling when he got into
> chanting?

What i remember from private messages he was busted two times. He was supposed to humble himself and be initiated by Siddhaswarupananda. What the archival press clippings say is that when C. Butler's comrade was arrested for drug trafficking, there was public suspicion that drug trafficking was an important part to the group's finances. C. Butler then allegedly replied that these were rumors spread by envious ISKCON leaders. It's in the archival press clippings. Of course, the sale of the temple and the fact that the money was returned to Swami, but not all at once, are suspect. Later when Swami was gone, it was known for the leaders - source of money for first real estate purchases.

There were at least 4 names when it comes to dealers or smugglers from the group, 1 possibly from outside the group and 1 from the group - according to the account of the financial intermediary.



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: March 16, 2023 07:40AM

There were many people involved in the smuggling of the money from Asia, including Bhalakilya. It was a very elaborate operation planned by Butler. There were suitcases with money transferred and handed off at various places so as not to have all the money be with one person at any one time.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: just-googling ()
Date: March 16, 2023 11:49PM

Thank-you Run-Forest for the last post. I did not know these details. (It would be great to know the evidence ... from the insiders themselves.)

Who remembers the band called "SPYZ" ... it was a musical group being promoted world-wide by Butler himself. Australian or NZ I seem to remember. He organized a world-wide operation to make it look like the group had a world-wide following, or some such BS... I do not remember the details (it was 40 years ago!)... some legal BS papers to be signed in each country and immediately sent back to the USA.

Ha! SPIES! The games that people play!

The money being smuggled out of Asia ... money from cannabis? money from Q-net insidious scam?

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