Caste discrimination alive and well in India
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:49PM

Caste discrimination alive and well in India today.

So do we really want the caste-justifying Bhagavad Gita to be a source of guidance to an American who just might be elected to the US Senate someday?

American civic life is already filled with polarizing tensions.

We already have a shameful gap between rich and poor.

The last thing we need added to American life is politicians who are covertly loyal to the Hindu caste system.

Look what is happening today in India.

[www.bbc.com]

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After Mahatma Gandhi - whose birthday falls on Friday - Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar is indubitably India's most revered leader.

All over the country, his statues abound: in towns and cities and villages, road crossings and railway stations, and in parks. The charismatic leader is usually portrayed as a stocky bespectacled man, wearing a western suit and tie, with a pen in his front pocket and holding a book - the constitution of India - under his arm.

This, according to historian Janaki Nair, "symbolises the self-assertion on the part of Dalits". Not surprisingly, in caste-ridden and unequal India, Ambedkar is a lightning rod for Dalits (formerly known as untouchables) and their opponents.

This also possibly explains why authorities are placing in cages the statues of the leader - the "darling of the dispossessed", as historian Ramachandra Guha calls him - in many states.


Dark reality

Tamil Nadu, one of India's most developed states, is one of the worst affected by the scourge of caste. It is India's second largest economy and, according to the World Bank, well on track to meet the major millennium development goals. The state's two main political parties were founded on rationalism. But this masks a dark reality of decades-old and continuing atrocities by the dominant castes against the Dalits, who comprise 19% of the state's population.

Opponents of Dalit assertiveness have, over the years, provoked rioting and violence by desecrating - garlanding them with slippers, cutting off their heads - statues of Ambedkar. Pusillanimous authorities, unable to rein in the dominant castes have responded by placing the leader's statues in cages all over the state.

"This is Tamil Nadu's biggest shame. It shows the complete failure of the state to protect the Dalits. The state is increasingly succumbing to caste barbarity," says political scientist C Lakshmanan.

The opposition is so fierce and brazen that dominant caste groups have joined hands openly to demand softening of laws that aim at curbing atrocities against the Dalits - an example of what Mr Lakshmanan calls "explicit anti-Dalit politics".

In the past, dominant castes have refused to let state-run public transport buses named after Dalit icons to enter their villages, forcing the authorities to remove the name. In many villages, Dalits are still not allowed to use communal wells, enter Hindu temples, and visit barber shops.

Many in the state call the shameful caging of Ambedkar statues as an example of "caste fascism" in modern-day India. It also proves that the country's caste parties are mostly interested in extracting special privileges and concessions for their communities rather than fighting for justice and rights. So untouchability, in its worst and vilest forms, is alive and well in Tamil Nadu.

More than 70 Dalits - more than in dirt-poor, caste-ridden, violent Bihar state - were killed in Tamil Nadu last year in mob attacks and clashes. There have been more than 15 judicial enquiries into incidents of atrocities against Dalits in the state since 1956, but not a single person has been punished.

"The tension with the dominant castes is increasing by the day. The dominant castes are ranged against the Dalits," says D Ravikumar, former lawmaker and leader of VCK, a strident anti-caste party.


In one of his memorable speeches, Ambedkar had wondered how long Indians would continue to deny equality in their social and economic life. "If we continue to deny it for long, we do so only by putting our political democracy in peril."

Then, with what many say was chilling prescience, Ambedkar said that much of the growth of independent India was like "building a castle on a dung heap". He was not entirely off the mark.

Now, back to Bhagavad Gita lover, Jagadguru Butler.



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"Wanted Someone Servile" Caste Mentality in UK
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: October 02, 2015 09:59PM

Caste case: 'I worked all day and all night'

By Clive Coleman
Legal correspondent, BBC News


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A woman recruited from India to be a domestic servant for a family in the UK, and who was awarded almost £184,000 in unpaid wages after being paid 11p an hour, has told the Victoria Derbyshire programme she worked "all day and all night".

Last month a groundbreaking employment tribunal found Permila Tirkey, 39, had been discriminated against because of her "low caste."

It heard she had been recruited by Pooja and Ajay Chandhok because they wanted someone "servile".

"I worked all day and all night, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That's because the children often woke up at night; they wanted milk, food, a drink of water, so I had to get up and make that for them," she said.

"I was told to stay with the children all of the time.

"On a normal day I would get up at six o'clock in the morning, go to the bathroom, get the children's milk ready, I would feed them, then I would clean up, I would make dinner, I would help with dinner for the children.

"Then I would do other domestic chores like washing the clothes, cleaning up, hoovering, polishing and mopping up."

Ms Tirkey said she did not have a bed, sleeping on a mattress on the floor of the little boy's room.

'No friends'

The family, who lived in Milton Keynes, had said they would pay her 5,000 rupees a month (£50), which was what she would have earned in Delhi. She said she did not question it as she did not know what level pay should be in the UK.

The tribunal, which her lawyers said was the first successful case of its kind, found the conditions in which she was forced to live and work were a "clear violation of her dignity", adding "it created an atmosphere of degradation which was offensive".

It upheld several claims, including that she was harassed on the grounds of her race, subjected to unacceptable working conditions and was the victim of indirect religious discrimination.

It ordered the couple to pay £183,773, to make up the total she should have been paid if she had received the national minimum wage.

Ms Tirkey said while she mainly stayed at home, she accompanied the family to social gatherings and days out to places like London Zoo.

"But they told me the rules were not to speak to anyone. I could say, 'hello, how are you?' but on the whole I would avoid situations where I would talk to people, I had no friends," she said.

'No phone calls'

She once tried to call her family in India using the phone, but the couple stopped her, saying the bills would be too high. They said they would give her money to top up her mobile phone, but did not.

"In the four-and-a-half years I spent with the Chandhoks I spoke to my family about twice," she explained.

"My family accepted that, as they had the memory of those phone calls and they knew I didn't have the money to call them.

"I used to think about the phone calls I'd made to my family and that kept me going. I wanted to cry but I controlled myself."

In fact, she says, the worst moment of her life concerned something as simple as a phone call - she wanted money to top up her phone and when she did not get it she wanted to end her life.

"What, over £5? It's a part of my life I can't talk about now, I get upset about this £5. If they had given it to me, I had been able to top up my mobile phone, and been able to make calls, things would have been different. This £5 changed my life," she explained.

The couple also stopped her from bringing her Bible to England.

"I wanted to put it in my suitcase but they took it away from me. I accepted it because I didn't question anything they asked me to do," she said.

'Basic rights'

Mr and Mrs Chandhok have said they provided everything for her, and that she was well paid and part of their family.

"Although I lived with them and they gave me shelter, they gave me food, they didn't give me my rights. They wouldn't let me speak to anyone, like my family, and they wouldn't let me have any friends," Ms Tirkey said.

"When I asked for an increase in wages they wouldn't give me any extra money, they just kept saying they would give it to me in India, so they didn't give me my basic rights."

Ms Tirkey said she wanted her story to help others.

"All I want in life is to smile and be happy, I want to live well. I've looked at my life and I want to educate myself, as I want to live well, I want to work, I want to laugh," she said.

"My life was completely gone, but I am now trying to slowly rebuild it and I want to tell my story to stop it happening to anybody else. I don't want them to suffer how I did."

Do we want this home-grown in America?

Back to Bhagavad Loving Jagad Guru Chris Butler.



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Relatively Harmless Megalomaniac
Date: October 03, 2015 03:46AM

The recent article in Civil Beat reporting on Tulsi Gabbard’s ambitions for a Cabinet position glossed over the controversy. However, the comments below the article are worth preserving. Rama Ranson wisely posted his Civil Beat comments on Facebook and got immediate reactions. I’ll quote some of the comments below in case they are removed from Civil Beat.

Flash

Doug Maguire · Palm Beach State College
“Rama Ranson , Your above paragraph is a much more lucid depiction of the brutal reality of Tulsi Gabbard NEVER being on a national ticket. The words “cult member” and the words “part of a national ticket” have never gone together in the same paragraph. With all due respect to Hawaii, Tulsi has been reported on in the most flattering way possible since day one. Do you think the Boston Globe , LA Times, New York Times will be as kind and easy if she makes a VP short list in an election in the future?”

Bart Dame – Hawaii Political Expert
“…Rama Ranson, I give you points for being “ballsy.”…

…I was never a member of the cult, but I grew up in Kailua. When we were in high school, my girlfriend and I used to hang out with Chris and his devotees, including going down to chant “Hare Krishna” in front of the International Marketplace.

I have watched the cult operating in secret for decades, as Chris Butler worked and re-worked his formula for trying to get his devotees elected to higher and higher office. Tulsi is their Golden Child, the star of the second generation cult members and Chris’ prize political puppet.

What you are sharing here conforms to what I know about the cult. There is much more to come out. Stay well…

…I think it is fair, with your life asa an example, but there are others, to say the cult left a bunch of under-educated and messed up “Haribol kids” in its wake, especially those of you who saw through the cultic nature of Chris Butler’s megalomania and refused to be wage-slaves for his Down-to-Earth financial empire. But, so far as I know, compared to David Koresh and Jonestown, he has been a relatively harmless megalomaniac…

…And now that Tulsi has admitted to being a devotee of Chris Butler in public, something her online “hive mind” defenders, the so-called Tulsibots have said was beyond my knowledge, perhaps we can have an open discussion of the history of the cult’s involvement in Hawaii politics, including their involvement in the Heftel Smear, the secret recording of the hairdresser, Lenore Kwok, the reasoning behind their years of vicious anti-Gay activism and, as has been recently raised, the role of one of their devotees, Patrick Bowler, in a billion dollar hashish smuggling operation?

This last point is not a “rumor” or an unfounded allegation. Bowler served seven years in a federal prison for his crimes. Only to get a high position in a cult-related business upon his release. Devotees were bound by cult discipline to tithe 25% of their income to Chris Butler. Did Bowler meet that obligation while he was involved in organized crime? Are we now allowed to ask these questions?…”



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Re: Relatively Harmless Megalomaniac
Posted by: dharmabum ()
Date: October 07, 2015 06:44PM

> …I think it is fair, with your life asa an
> example, but there are others, to say the cult
> left a bunch of under-educated and messed up
> “Haribol kids” in its wake, especially those
> of you who saw through the cultic nature of Chris
> Butler’s megalomania and refused to be
> wage-slaves for his Down-to-Earth financial
> empire. But, so far as I know, compared to David
> Koresh and Jonestown, he has been a relatively
> harmless megalomaniac…

Chris Butler’s gospel is very simple. He teaches that God is a person. And as a person, God is entitled to compensation – for taking care of people’s karma, earthly affairs and rent for the planet. Since he has no bank account, as His rep, will act as His proxy. Get it?

As God’s trusted rep, he will determine where to divest His money on, whether it’s Tulsi Gabbard or International Yoga Day. Who knows, putting money on ideologue Narendra Modi may help get rid of those “Muslim extremists” in India and buy legitimacy for his franchise – Western Hinduism, no matter how tricky, cheap and simplistic that is.

Bernie Madoff was sentence to life when his investors’ expectations are not met. Compared to Madoff though, Chris Butler’s investors’ money is not based on returns but lies in something "much bigger" and intangible – a promise of liberation from the eternal wheel of death and rebirth and “Divine Pleasure”. No one gets jailed for that. Except that when people invest their life, time, money and future, in the process, people get hurt – families, relationships with other people, children’s college education and future – for a simple reason these unfortunate souls disagree with the “Absolute Truth”.

To Bart Dame, that is not such a big deal. Bernie Madoff is not that such a bad person after all because “as compared to”, he is not in the league of David Koresh, Jim Jones or Osama Bin Laden. He does not go about murdering people and blowing up buildings, therefore a “relatively harmless” megalomaniac.

Only a socialist liberal will condone such racket as a part and parcel of religious freedom. Too bad to those that get hurt in the process.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dharmabum ()
Date: October 09, 2015 07:10PM

Tulsi: Wow, with TPP, less expensive imported cars.
Penaroza: I’ll be able to afford a Prius.
Tulsi: Cheaper parts too. I’ll stick to Honda, we have oil-glut anyway. Hey, yoghourt will be 16 cents less, haha.
Penaroza: More cheese for Alana. Cheaper food and clothes for the hapless karmis.
Tulsi: And cheaper tofu too (high-five). So what do you think?
Ring ring …
Penaroza: Hello … Namah Om Vishnu Padaya … blah blah blah … blah blah blah
From receiver: (Peanuts’ adult speech) …
Penaroza: All Glories … Jaye Sri Krishna …
(click!)
Tulsi: What?
Penaroza: Srila Prabhupad said: More cows will be slaughtered for Japan’s sashimis and there’ll be more Hindu gays in Bangalore when India sign in. Cheaper yoghourt means more plastic cups polluting Lanikai Beach, beside he’s not a fan of dairies from Canada. The homeless won’t be able to repay their karmas if TPP help improve their lives. Lastly, Wai Lana’s yoga mats will face cheaper competitions from "Muslim extremists" in Brunei and Malaysia. Oh, one more thing, Prabhupad's Philippine mangoes did not arrive on time in Honolulu Airport. Vaishnava dasi had to send someone to a local Chinese store. That’s numero uno priority. I promised we will call Homeland Security.

The next morning (Press Conference)
Tulsi: ... I will be working hard on the floor of The House to make sure that this deal is not approved in Congress.

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It is only by the influence of Maya that we think that we have a connection with our family members or our friends.
Date: October 10, 2015 04:13AM

It is only by the influence of Maya that we think that we have a connection with our family members or our friends.

This is from some bloke Nityananda Das' page. I believe he is a Science Of Identity cult member, he is in the circles of SOI (you can see a Chris Butler picture on the alter in his cover photo. out of focus but behind an elbow, the 'mantra electric' picture.)

https://www.facebook.com/mark23dimitri

"Nityananda Das
September 25 at 10:32pm
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Society, friendship and love
If we want to go back to home, back to Godhead, and at the same time we remain attached to this material world, the so-called society, friendship and love, then it is not possible. So long we have a pinch of attraction for this material world, there is no possibility of being transferred to the spiritual world. Detachment can come through education. All the relationships that exist are all temporary. It is only by the influence of Maya that we think that we have a connection with our family members or our friends. The example is given that on the surface of the water, sometimes, leaves get together for a while and then are separated by a wave. Similarly, in this lifetime we have a mother but in a previous lifetime we had another one. So we have to gradually cut off our attachment to this material world. This is the idea conveyed within the Vedic civilization. But we cannot just give up an attachment because it is natural that we be attached. So we have to transfer that attachment to Krishna by uttering His Holy Name."

lovely.

F----n' Nihilist cult.

"Oh, it's so great, we love our children so much, we brainwash them to be cold and detached to everything except one specific fairy tale fantasy, but we are such lovely people!"



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Re: Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler, and his Manchurian Candidate, Tulsi Gabbard.
Date: October 12, 2015 10:22PM

Good one, Dharmabum!
Yes, the TPP, coming soon to a Bhakti Hut near you!
Looks like the TPP went thru, now what, Mz Tulsi?
...oh well, back to her surfboard...

Rama is correct: "Oh, it's so great, we love our children so much, we brainwash them to be cold and detached to everything except one specific fairy tale fantasy, but we are such lovely people!"

That specific fairy tale fantasy? That Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler- is the ONLY one who can save you - he is as good as gOd-and that you MUST serve him body and soul or you will perish. You MUST do as he says- He OWNS you and your children so they must also SERVE him......forever.

Right!

Perhaps some people in Washington may be getting hints that Tulsi isn’t really who she claims to be.
They just disinvited her to a big “shindig”...er, I mean democratic debate taking place tomorrow.

[www.nytimes.com]

Please let Rep. Wasserman chair of the DNC know just how much of a disingenuous
person Tulsi really is.
And we are quie sure that Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler, and his Manchurian Candidate, Tulsi Gabbard's
prime concern WAS to cause disruption and take the focus off the 6 candidates.

Butler loves to stir things up.

Again for those sleeping masses, you are being deceived.
This is not a benign profit-free yoga meditation group seeking your humble donations.
This is a well-oiled (snake oil) political juggernaut intent on controlling YOU!
Flash has posted Butler’s many failed attempts to put his brainwashed political candidates into higher office, and once there, Butler will control from his tax-free millionaire throne in Lanakai. Until Tulsi Gabbard steps up and confesses to belonging to a secretive and insidious cult and PUBLICALLY denounces her guru, Butler, she cannot be trusted.

This is not a personal dig against Tulsi’s religious beliefs since she claims to be a “Hindu”.
The cult hides behind this convenient facade, but in reality, this so-called “religious” group of mind-controlled puppets has caused much harm to many families and the children born into this cult, over the years.

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Re: Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler, and his Manchurian Candidate, Tulsi Gabbard.
Posted by: dharmabum ()
Date: October 14, 2015 11:12PM

VoxVeritasVita Das Wrote:
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> Perhaps some people in Washington may be getting
> hints that Tulsi isn’t really who she claims to
> be.
> They just disinvited her to a big
> “shindig”...er, I mean democratic debate
> taking place tomorrow.
>
> [www.nytimes.com]
> 0/12/d-n-c-officer-says-she-was-disinvited-from-de
> bate-after-calling-for-more-of-them/
>
> Please let Rep. Wasserman chair of the DNC
> know just how much of a disingenuous
> person Tulsi really is.


Comedian Tulsi arguing DNC Chair about more open debate, freedom of speech and democratic principles. All are not representative of or core values of the archaic theology she embraces and grew up in. Shouldn't she start from her home base and argue for people and families hurt and destroyed by her homophobic guru and misogynistic belief be given the same demands she's arguing for? What a hypocrite. As long as she is tied up to her theocratic belief, her politics mean nothing.

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Exposing Pam Ho – Part 1 of 2
Date: October 15, 2015 06:20AM

Let me introduce you to Pam Ho, the Tulsi-bot troll at the Culteducation forum and Civil Beat. He along with a few of his Facebook buddies have jumped on the Tulsi Gabbard bandwagon. Guru Chris Butler’s aka Siddhaswarupananda Paramahansa latest political puppet must be defended and Pam is just the man to do it.


I never bothered replying to Pam Ho’s disruptive posts even though it bothered me greatly when he dismissed the suffering of cult kids like Rama Das and Eigener Herr. These are the search results for Pam Ho’s posts on the Culteducation message board:



Here are some Civil Beat articles where you can read the comments of Pam Ho:

[www.civilbeat.com]

[www.civilbeat.com]

[www.civilbeat.com]

…and, a few screen captures of the trolling Pam Ho defending Tulsi Gabbard from those who dared to raise legitimate concerns.





Our man PAM HO, which is an acronym for “Please accept my humble obeisances”, has a very mercurial past. He has posted on so many internet forums he seems to forget his story line, who he is at times or what philosophy he supports. He joins forums and social media groups and has been busted as a deranged troll of under different aliases: Wyspery, Shiva hari das, Shiva, Buddy, Vrajabhumi, Vraj, Janus, Radha Krsna das, George A Smith and lately PAM HO. This guy typifies the unscrupulous social rejects that hang around ISKCON and Butler’s cult. His aliases provide an ideal milieu for the Vaisnava Hindu con-men and cowards who pontificate from the sidelines.

He first showed up as “Janus” ‘Wyspery’ in 2002, ‘Shiva’ in 2004-09 and Janus again in 2006 on the old Sampradya Sun, Hare Krsna and later (2008) India Divine forums. Shiva, Vraj, Vrajabhumi, Buddy Radha Krsna das, from 2004 till 2009.
As Shiva, Vraj, Vrajabhumi, Radha Krsna das, he firstly claims to have become a devotee of ISKCON in 1977 and moved into the ashram Feb 78 and stayed in ISKCON until 1981. As Vraj, Vrajabhumi, Shiva, Shiva das, PAM HO, he hints to having being around ISKCON Los Angeles and the druggie temple in Laguna Hills around the 70’s. Yet at the same time he was in Hawaii in 1977 after AC Bhaktivedanta passed away and claims he knows intimate details of Butler’s cult regime. He states he is not a disciple of AC Bhaktivedanta Swami, but does refer to a relationship with the “real” Prabhupada. As Wyspery he downright verbally flogs AC Bhaktivedanta as a smelly old goat with a bunch of fanatics for disciples.

The research is continued in this blog article:

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Exposing Pam Ho – Part 1 of 2
Date: October 16, 2015 02:33AM

I have been challenged on some of the facts regarding Pam Ho and will postpone part 2 until I can check with my sources.

Flash

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