You know when a Jewish family disinherits a child it is like giving away the "Astronaughts Pen" on Seinfeld; You really never do it. :wink:

If you need more help, let me know. I have contacts in Crown Heights. And yes, your family will be in our prayers.
zelig

We must disinherit our daughter. It is not even a judgement call. Otherwise these people will get what we have worked for so very hard all of our lives.

That is the first thing that we have done! And we are not at all sure just what role the Chabad boyfriend plays in this. Imagine a 23 year old man who does not work who has a chance to grab substantial money; and my daughter might very well be inclined to just hand it over to him.

You are looking at this all wrong. They may have my daughter, but believe me that after knowing her for 18 years, they have absolutely no idea how much trouble she will be to them in time.



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We must disinherit our daughter. It is not even a judgement call. Otherwise these people will get what we have worked for so very hard all of our lives.

I was not talking about money but relationship. You are right, she would blow a monetary inheritance away on the boy or the organization as "tzedakah".



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i think it is very sad that u see it that way but it is only ur opinion and not the truth
i myself came from a non religious background and because chabad reaches out to all me and some of my family members came back to our roots
as far as chabad being a cult u can call it whatever u want but they only do good and certainly do not force anyone to do anything they dont want to
if ur daughter became religious through chabad im sure it was because she felt it was right and im sure shes smart enough to make decisions on her own and to some it might seem sad because they have had their OWN plans for her

i dont have to much time now but i will say one more thing regarding ur so called "chabad cult campaign" i think u have way too much time on ur hands and maybe u can find something a little more constructive to do instead of destructive

sandy72:

How can you be so cold hearted regarding this mother's grief over her daughter?

Is that what Chabad's influence has wrought in your life?

Chabad has hurt many families and repeatedly caused similar estrangements and isolation as a direct result of its recruitment/missionary activities.

Typically, Jews don't proselytize.

i do not know the particulars of this situation so perhaps i seemed cold but u cannot judge a whole sect
unfortunately bad things happen all the time and its very sad
i live in a chabad community and none of the things i read here sound accurate
i hope it all works out for this family and whoever did wrong should be reported and whatever else that is necessary but i dont think its right to continue talking about fellow jews like that

sandy72:

Sorry, but Chabad's very agressive proselytizing programs bring this on and often lead to such sad family stories.

I have heard many of them over the years.

Maybe you should consider the feelings of fellow Jews hurt by Chabad?

I would like to say something "nice" about the Chabad but I cannot.

We have spoken to 7 Chabad Rabbis throughout our state and NY... who have all lied to us about the location of our daughter (she is living with a Chabad family in Crown Heights and all of them know exactly where she is). They also have all denied ANY wrong doing or proselytizing. It is nothing but deceit and lies.

All Jews need to have an "eye open" for their practices. I agree that perhaps it does not happen everywhere or to everyone who attend Chabad. But I DO KNOW that in this case they preyed upon a young naiive girl who currently was NOT affiliated with a Synagogue and was raised in a Conservative Jewish home and was Bat Mitzvah through our Conservative synagogue. Almost the minute the Chabad became acquainted with our daughter they began "working on her".... convincing her that she was not Jewish... and to join them to convert to their ways.

It is this sick and indecent practice... Jew against Jew that some of the members should be concerned about!!

I will do EVERYTHING that I can to let all Jews know that these practices are taking place.... if certain "Chabads" are not doing it ... then it doesn't apply to them. BUT IN THE CHABADS WHERE IT IS GOING ON.... MAYBE MY CRUSADE MIGHT SAVE A YOUNG JEWISH GIRL OR BOY.

I am a devoted Jew... no one, not you or Chabad can tell me that I am not "Jewish enough"... we all have to be strong and stand together against this type of practice! This activity has NO place in Jewish life.



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Ms. D.:

It is a very recent development in Jewish life that one denomination (Chabad Lubavitch) literally goes after the children of another.

I have received similar complaints from other Conservative Jews, along with OU and Reform Jews.

This type of proselytizing is not common and largely without historical precendent.

Chabad has been doing this for some time. Rabbi Schneerson is responsible for encouraging it and putting such programs in motion.

There is also a group called Aish Ha Torah that has done similar things. They typically recruit Jewish college students, at times while they are visiting Israel on vacation during the Summer.

Overwhelmingly though, this is not per the practice of Judaism or Jews.

I know this is little solace after what has been done to your family, but this problem is not widespread, outside of Chabad and Aish.



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i do not know the particulars of this situation ...
u cannot judge a whole sect

i live in a chabad community and none of the things i read here sound accurate
... i dont think its right to continue talking about fellow jews like that

Since you admit that you don't know the particulars of the situation, then why do you feel you have the authority or wisdom to comment?

The whole sect is affected by the members who act in ways that are detrimental to society, such as allowing underage drinking or sexual relationships with minor children. The Rabbi in charge of the Chabad House should have been a leader in his community and honored the parent's wishes and worked with them and protected his young congregant. But some Chabad Rabbis are fanatics, so they can not do this.

You may not have witnessed things in the Chabad community in which you live, but it does not mean that it does not exist. If you turn a blind eye to the wrong doings of your fellow Jews, then you are complicit in the aveiras. No, one should not needlessly or falsely accuse fellow Jews, but it is a mitzvah to speak out when you see a fellow Jew engaged in doing wrong. You should try to correct the situation to keep the person from doing more aveiras and hurting others. One should also make every attempt to avoid doing this publicly, but sometimes it is necessary to expose and stop criminal activity.

One must also not be so naive as to believe that because it is an Orthodox or Chabad organization that it is somehow more pure or enlightened. Drugs, alcohol, internet porn, cultish practices has affected that community just as much as it has the rest of society. Don't kid yourself.

I have seen the sons of some of my colleagues affected by the efforts of both Chabad and Aish. One came back from Israel suicidal and depressed after studying with an Aish Rabbi because he could not follow all the kosher ways. Chabad does tell people that they are not REAL Jews and will not even enter a reform or even Conservative synagogue! How is that for love of your fellow Jew! And the prejudice against the "goyim" and the "schvartzes" (black people) is disgusting.

So do not romanticise or idealize Chabad or any prosletizing religion. I also know wonderful people within Chabad and I don't not condemn the whole sect, but I do not have to believe everything they believe in to be friends. I also understand that they really believe that they are redeeming the world by spreading "Yiddishkeit" and returning Jews to their "roots", but I caution everyone I meet to guard their children, who lack the powers of discrimination, or a good filtration system, to allow this group run carte blanche in their lives.