Just one thing: in Lisbon or any other town, M cannot "keep the crowd together" and brainwash everyone as it was possible in Zmar, so this is a good step so that they didn't want him there anymore! Just the whole scenery in Zmar was so nice, noone could leave the premises, spending all time and meals together and so on created a special atmosphere....it was perfect for him!
And him wanting to recruit more portuguese people could turn out not so good for him I think. If it is more and more seen through that he is leading a cult , at some point portugiese connections could work against him. So this development is good for us!
Indeed! Zmar and Sahaja are perfect places to pull one out of any reality into theirs. If one wants to leave, they are very much explained how the throw away they chance to freedom and how they waste that great opportunity presented by grace. Since everything in happening in complete silence, even if you have any doubts, one might start thinking wrong about himself because all of those hundreds of people seem to be just very comfortable. Not knowing what they are going through and how doubtful many of them might be as well. But then, after the second, most the third day, you just give in and find yourself kneeing in front of an empty chair…
It is great if they will never have access to Zmar again.
Probably this is one of the motives they want to recruit more people from Portugal, to expand the capacity of sahaja, so they are not dependable on outer locations in the future and can carry on far from any outer people and clear minds.
It is also true that they are doing everything possible to keep any attention away from the local people. Everyone is properly instructed how to behave and interact with locals, how to keep silence and don’t stick out in any way.
Another IMPORTANT thing that is to be taken into consideration:
Since 2015 Portugal has more strictly enforced a long-standing law!!! Anyone is required to report with the authorities within 3 weeks of arrival.
Here is the link with exact information:
This is a big issue they are having, because attention is the last thing they want! And let’s just leave it open how many are really reported that are there for a long stay……
In this light, it makes a lot of sense to get in more portugese citizens. Even if the flip side of the coin is to draw more attention in the country….snapping-out
just read the article PapajisaysNO refers to. Thank you so much! It's so clear now what really happens during satsang and these "silent meditations" and that thing called "invitation to bondage forever". So all these 'spiritual" experiences I was having were no more than the normal workings of my own mind.
About this distortion of time that occurs while in a trance; I more and more had trouble remembering things. What day it was, names of people etc. Heard M. say several times that was a good sign. You were becoming more settled in the truth, in the now.
Also remember his account of this sanghamember, running around, being totally panicked because she couldn't find 'herself'. She was so scared. No, mister Moo thought that to be a particularly good sign. At the time I was still hanging onto every word of his, believing it to be the voice of god. So wow, that is what I wanted too. In hindsight it must have been a very unhealthty state of mind to be in...I doubt she got the help to get back to reality when Moo considers it te be a "blessing". Another thing also heard him say was that some of his close disciples started to forget their past alltogether.! That would explain the emptiness and dullness in their eyes I more than once wondered about.
The more I get into this, learn from all of you, dig into my own memories, questions and doubts, the more I know how lucky anyone is who gets to see through this veil of holy, holy bs, starting to place value again onto their own feelings. I wish many more find this forum, this thread and so can also start to heal from this..it works for me that way, again thank you all so much.
I’m exactly in the same place snapping-out. I’m still recovering from memory loss! I forgot key things and major happenings in my life and when family and friends brought up stories I remembered some but not all, which some of them are really essential for being integrated in society.
The article is really a huge help to easily understand what exactly is going on, because from the point of view of M and sangha all this stuff happening to one is a “blessing”.
What is really hard for me to understand is that there are members of the sangha that are psychologists and some are actually caring out that profession! They are for example in the care-team during satsangs. How is it possible for one how did study this stuff to fall for such a cheap scam??? Or are they a part of feeding it?Corboy
Thank you for the additional material!
It explains to me also how M always comes to repeat the same stories over and over again, regardless of what the initial question was.