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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: i yam what i yam ()
Date: December 14, 2018 05:48AM

Not to forget Braco, the guru who stares! As satirized here:

[vimeo.com]

[www.youtube.com]

[www.cc.com]

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: happytown ()
Date: December 14, 2018 05:54AM

Try watching this seven minutes of deep eye contact with Moojijiji after Braco.

This version is a little bit more candlelit dinner. Good luck reediting this with some sultry saxophone, the copyright team will get you:

[youtube.com]



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: alonzo ()
Date: December 16, 2018 01:31AM

happytown Wrote:
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> Try watching this seven minutes of deep eye
> contact with Moojijiji after Braco.
>
> This version is a little bit more candlelit
> dinner. Good luck reediting this with some sultry
> saxophone, the copyright team will get you:
>
> [youtube.com]


My advise is to not watch a video such as this. It can be very ungrounding to your awareness and is more harmful than most realize.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: happytown ()
Date: December 16, 2018 04:09AM

alonzo Wrote:
>
> My advise is to not watch a video such as this.
> It can be very ungrounding to your awareness and
> is more harmful than most realize.

It shows very clearly what Corboy was saying about creating a sense of false intimacy.

Its much funnier if you Google "porn jazz" and play that music in the background while you watch it.

[youtu.be]



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: December 16, 2018 05:11AM

Alonzo and Happytown,

I watched the staring eyes video of Shri Moojijiji Baba Poo, and I survived unharmed! I think that once you know the methods and aims of trance material such as this, it doesn't effect you anymore?

I just thought that Moo looked silly- his eyes were not appealing at all and the whole thing seemed pointless and boring.

I don't know if other people have the this same experience, once they educate themselves about trance induction?

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: happytown ()
Date: December 16, 2018 05:18AM

Yes, the idea that it can unground you reminds me of how other spiritual groups say you shouldn't read certain spiritual texts because it can make you sick. Or how when you're with the guru, thinking is impossible because the ashram's energy level is just so 'potent' (cue porn jazz).

And of course the classic mooji gambit designed to rush you: "don't miss your chance".

This is an example of "phobia induction"

[www.openmindsfoundation.org]



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: i yam what i yam ()
Date: December 16, 2018 06:59AM

happytown Wrote:
>
> Its much funnier if you Google "porn jazz" and
> play that music in the background while you watch
> it.


I'm laughing like the Laughing Buddha watching this mashup:

[viewsync.net]

I call it The Darshan of Chef!

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: i yam what i yam ()
Date: December 16, 2018 07:19AM

.... Though then I rewatched the famous 2007 Mooji clip 'The Darshan of Death' and I felt ashamed:

[www.youtube.com]

This is pre Monte Sahaja Mooji, where you don't feel he's trying to hypnotize you, he isn't presenting himself as the incarnation of God, etc. He's just wise and compassionate.

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Beware, some trance operators can zap knowledgeable people
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: December 17, 2018 01:13AM

I advise a bit of caution. Many trance operators lose their power over us once we learn about the commonly used techniques of hypnosis.

However, I encountered one person who still affected me even after I learned that he was a skilled trance technician. I will tell that story later.


On this page, Sahara71 wrote:

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Alonzo and Happytown,

I watched the staring eyes video of Shri Moojijiji Baba Poo, and I survived unharmed! I think that once you know the methods and aims of trance material such as this, it doesn't effect you anymore?

I just thought that Moo looked silly- his eyes were not appealing at all and the whole thing seemed pointless and boring.

I don't know if other people have the this same experience, once they educate themselves about trance induction?

Be cautious. Some trance operators are highly skilled and can zap even
the most knowledgeable observer.

In the early 2000s I went to a lecture by a person who was a celebrated leader of the human potential movement. He told a lengthy story, supposedly about
his own spiritual journey, a story filled with travels here and there, and stories of ghastly betrayals and people going insane. Betrayals he committed, betrayals by his own spiritual guru.

Everyone around me was enthralled by this man, who came across as quite cold.

I sat there feeling a mixture of moral revulsion and profound self doubt.

This left me in a state of anguished obsession that haunted me for years. Because of this experience, I got involved in discussions on this message board.

Several years later, during discussions about Byron Katie, One Taste (Nicole Daedone) and Cryogenics, two remarkable persons joined the message board -

The Anticult

[forum.culteducation.com]

and

Walter1963

[forum.culteducation.com]

TA and Walter taught us about neurolinguistic programming - a method of highly sophisticated trance induction. These methods utilize story telling, gestures, touch and story telling that includes disruptions of Aristotelian logic and violations of grammar.

The Anticult taught us about the Handshake Method of trance induction.

The trick is to win trust, get people to pay attention to you, induce a light trance often using a subtle shock method, then tell stories within stories that bypass critical thinking and speak directly to the more primitive part of our minds which utilize black and white thinking and equate wish with result, metaphor with reality.

Magical thinking.

The Beatles lyric, I am you and you are me is an example of such language.

In this state of mind, boundaries blur and vanish.

This state can be labelled non dual realization -- and exploited in the hands of the wrong person.

This is the state of mind which we all revert to when shocked, put into trance or under massive stress, is characteristic of very early childhood.

In such a state, we are vulnerable. Doesn't matter if you are a street smart genius, you can still regress to this state of mind if life hits you hard enough.

Or you encounter a trance technician who has no ethics.

Just perfect for an unethical person to exploit.

If we have acquired critical thinking, we can remain aware that I am I and you are you and that I am NOT you, and you are NOT me. Critical thinking supports distinctions and boundaries. It sets safeguards against unethical perpetrators.

I then understood that X had utilized non consensual trance induction through his story telling. I also knew he'd been unethical by not telling us beforehand
what he was going to do.

Trance Technician X arrived in town to give another lecture. Knowing what he was, I went to that lecture armed with knowledge thanks to The Anticult and Walter1963.

Many of us began to fall asleep fifteen minutes after X began his lecture.

(That lecture was a different format from the first one I had attended. In this second lecture, X had a dialogue partner, making this a complex induction format. X and his dialogue partner remained alert throughout this lecture.

Meanwhile, audience members were zonked out. One guy was snoring loudly, his head tilted back.

A lady in the front row opposite X was fast asleep, crumpled up, her notebook
sliding from her hand to the floor.

Meanwhile, I was falling asleep, despite my full knowledge that X was doing trance induction on us. I could not take coherent notes.

I had to flee the room. As soon as I did so I was wide awake.

So be cautious.

Some unethical trance technicians can still get through to a sensitive person, even when that person has background knowledge.



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Whtm ()
Date: December 18, 2018 06:46AM

I think too that silence can cause confusion. I recall my covert hypnotizer used to stop in the middle of a sentence and there would be dead silence and I would be left expecting the conclusion of the sentence. It’s like a mini nested loop, is that right?

Corboy Wrote:
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> Silences and prolonged gazing.
>
> Someone has analyzed how these are used by John de
> Ruiter, a different guru.
>
> [sites.ualberta.ca]
>
>
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The third function of de Ruiter's silence
> is that it accelerates the formation of intimate
> bonds between de Ruiter and his followers,
> especially when he combines it with extended eye
> contact. Joosse added that many of de Ruiter's
> followers, a good number of whom are middle-aged
> females, see de Ruiter as possessing "a mysterious
> aura".
>
> In his article, Joosse wrote, "Silence is
> inappropriate on a first date or at a gathering of
> previously unacquainted people... (But) the
> cultivation of silence by the de Ruiter group
> permits a type of interaction that is usually
> exclusive to new lovers - deep, silent gazing into
> one another's eyes. Strangers to de Ruiter find
> themselves locked in an intimate gaze, and it is
> not surprising that (they) confuse the act that
> usually accompanies intimacy with actual
> intimacy."
>
> Joosse believes that de Ruiter, by keeping his
> mouth shut, has found an easily replicable method
> that works on a number of levels to captivate his
> followers.
>
> "When people follow a charismatic leader, the
> existence of the group depends upon the continued
> belief that their leader is somehow extraordinary
> or even superhuman," Joosse said. "Therefore, the
> leader must continually prove himself to his
> followers, and de Ruiter is able to achieve this
> simply by remaining silent."
>
> and
>
>
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Joosse believes de Ruiter's silence allows
> his followers to project their own "highly
> personalized" meaning into the answers they
> receive from him. Joosse noted that de Ruiter's
> followers often have a history of participation in
> various alternative religious movements before
> they settle into the de Ruiter group and are
> therefore more likely than most to find meaning in
> the vague messages that de Ruiter is known to
> express.

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