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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: alonzo ()
Date: November 27, 2018 02:06AM

Would law enforcement have advised that Moo snoop into people's private lives? For that is what Constantin alleges.


I'm not concerned about who alleges what. I wanted to answer a question I knew the answer to so people are well informed. Beyond this, you all have at it!

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Constantin ()
Date: November 27, 2018 06:55PM

Yes so looks like we have some confusion again concerning letters to tony.
For the last 8 years many nasty letters have kept growing in numbers, Families, friends and normal people write to him constantly and some of these are in fact death threats. Some are harmless. some complain about abuse etc. tony takes some times to adress this in forum gatherings reading these aload for all to hear.
It is in these meetings you can observe the real moo.Sometimes he gets very angry about the situation, because they protect moo from everything some letters don't get through. The people who protect mooo are also the ones with the power in the ashram.

And mooo has bought up all kinds of properties and estetes near the ashram raising the rent and costs for the locals up to 25 % He then turns around and leases these properties to faithfull followers.

And for those who don't believe the stories about moo interference in to people's sex lives, the truth can sting,

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Horowitz ()
Date: November 27, 2018 11:01PM

at: Mooji a cult?, Posted by: alonzo , November 23, 2018

Alonzo said; “I was drawn to him for self-actualization and a lot of what he said spoke directly to me and I knew from experience that what was being said was true….” 

Moo mostly interprets M. Maharshi, Nisargadattha M., or E. Tolle and other good teachers but he mixes it up with himself, his “spiritual” greatness, and his untrue stories. The most stuff about him is made it up, not true, and half-true fabrications. He is very silky and manipulative, and talks about things that the audience likes to hear. It may trigger some unrealistic spiritual expectations and express some endogenous small neurotransmitter molecules or happy hormones like Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), Anandamide (EAE), Dopamine, Serotonin, and atc. in the brain. Then is very difficult to distinguish between Moo and the non-duality teaching or the real spirituality because people may experience some spiritual euphoria and a bliss bobble. A lot of people may have some genetic predisposition for that (including myself) who were drawn to Moo.
I think that it’s very important to focus on his personal life, his bios, and his basic life functions (promiscoues sex life, huge financial profits from satsangs, basic wrong behaviors, and his ego-cult appearances). To simply prove that his does not live according to his own teachings, that is a only talker and that he is not able to make the real spiritual progress for himself at all. Moo has not been able yet to handle the agree state of the mind, his heavy sexual attachments and desires to be famous sage atc...
But resent allegations here against Moo call for more serious concerns and some actions against Moo.



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: alonzo ()
Date: November 28, 2018 04:49AM

Horowitz----- when you copy and paste the below quote and not follow it up with the rest of what I said, then the quote can and probably is misleading and no one knows of the broader point I was making.


Alonzo said; “I was drawn to him for self-actualization and a lot of what he said spoke directly to me and I knew from experience that what was being said was true….”

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: November 28, 2018 05:38AM

Hi Constantin,

Thank you for the information regarding the letters Moo receives. It sounds like he receives multiple death threats and multiple complaints of abuse!

Well, the death threats are just plain wrong, I probably don't need to say so... it is against the law to threaten someone.

I want to ask you about the complaints of abuse against Moo? How regularly would there be a letter alleging abuse? Once per week? Once per month? I wonder why none of these people are taking their complaints further- specifically to the U.K. Charities Commission?

It seems to be conclusive, that there is psychological and emotional abuse going on within the Moo group. When will something be done?

Regarding Moo buying up the real estate around Monte Sahaja - looks like the properties aren't officially owned by the Moo Foundation. Could they be the personal property of Moo himself? If so, where would he get the money? On paper at least, he only earns around $31,000 U.S. dollars per year. The property would have to be very cheap indeed.

Can you also shed more light on those protecting Moo, the people with the 'real power' within the ashram?

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: November 28, 2018 06:02AM

Hi Horowitz,

I agree with you in that some of the things Moo teaches are not bad in themselves. I think self-inquiry can be a useful tool. I also think the teachings of Advaita and Buddhism are very interesting and helpful.

But it's the way Moo puts it all together that is wrong and misleading! He encourages people to flee from the real world into a type of 'self worship' that inevitably becomes Moo worship.

As Happytown explained really well, he uses double binds to confuse people and they experience some kind of identity collapse as a result. This is not healthy at all. People become helpless, complient followers of Moo with no genuine insight. It isn't spiritual at all, although you do get some kind of confused 'buzz' out of it- it's sort of like being on drugs, is the best way I can describe it. (As it happened to me).

You do get some mild euphoria from it... but there is no clarity of thought. Yes, it must all be due to brain chemistry- which means a lot of people would be susceptable to it. Hence, so many cults become successful and are able to recruit a lot of people.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Horowitz ()
Date: November 28, 2018 06:36AM

Alonzo, sorry I meant it generally, I truly appreciate your all honest comments....



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: happytown ()
Date: November 28, 2018 09:41PM

"Shame is the currency of cults and their leaders. The human potential for shame, to feel not good enough, bad or unworthy, is what cult leaders exploit. These traumatizing narcissists instill shame in their followers, using belittling, intimidation and humiliation, alternating these with displays of love and acceptance, in such a way as to convince the follower that their only hope for redemption, for staying in favor and not losing favor, is submission."

"For traumatizing narcissists to hold on to their followers, they have to attack the followers’ subjectivity to keep them from having their own independent minds, their own view of the world. The follower must be influenced to forsake their own intuition, morals and values, in any way in which they do not conform to the leader’s. Though followers typically believe they are voluntarily embracing the leader’s vision, the reality is that they are coercively manipulated to abandon their own subjectivity and submit to the leader, via the traumatizing narcissist’s triumvirate of abusive behaviors: intimidation, belittling, and humiliation."
-Daniel Shaw, Social Worker and Author of "Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems Of Subjugation"



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: November 28, 2018 10:13PM

What is created by the controlling lover, the totalitarian leader?

A garden of instant bliss.

A garden of instant bliss in which slow poison of fear taints every fruit, every blossom, every brook and fountain.

People rave about it. There are enticing videos online. People at your meditation groups, yoga classes talk about it.

What about harm reviews?

They're unfindable online because what you easily find gives only the rave reviews.

A garden of instant bliss tainted by slow onset fear is a poetic way to describe exactly the kind of relationship described by Daniel Shaw, quoted above by happytown. Daniel Shaw learned all this while in the poisoned bliss garden belonging to Gurumayi of Siddha Yoga, successor to Baba Muktananda who created the poisoned bliss bower called SYDA Yoga. Muktananda liked bodyguards and guard dogs. Strange accessories for a bliss specialist but perfect for the authoritarian leader who combines bliss and fear.

What Daniel Shaw has written, quoted above by happytown, is the recipe for
creating the conflicted insecure attachment bonding described by Alexandra Stein and other social psychologists and clinical psychologists.

To supplement Dan Shaw's insights, recall that totalitarian(aka pathological control freak) leaders always, always always inject fear into the equation.

A control freak leader carries fear inside himself or herself. Whatever relationship environment a controlling totalitarian minded person creates, fear will always there.

Fear becomes a secret to be hidden. Chronic inmates of these tainted relationships assauge their doubts by eagerly seeking new recruits and displace, outsource their resentments by punishing scapegoats and blaming dissidents.

Whoever lives in and habituates to that situation will become fear ridden, no matter how great the bliss the first enticed you inside.

You'll feel the bliss but more and more, incorporate fear into yourself the longer you stay in a bower of bliss designed by such a person.

The most dangerous thing is, you forget what relationships are like when untainted by chronic fear.

The conflicted, perversely intense relationships created in environments created by totalist controlling persons seem the only life you have and the only life you can hope to have.



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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: happytown ()
Date: November 29, 2018 04:22AM

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