One has to wonder why the recent increase in Byron Katie apologia/propaganda?
Its interesting how basically always the main method around Byron Katie, is denial, deflection, distraction...but also exaggeration. Who is talking about violent terrorists or death cults?
People have been talking about the Love-Bombs, and powerful subtle persuasion, and Engineering Consent.
As has been detailed in the thread, its a high-demand cultish group, for the people who really get into it. And it is running one of the more disturbing LGAT's in the world.
What is wrong with that?
Well first off, it PROVES that the entire Byron Katie thing is a sham.
You see, Byron Katie claims to have been enlightened by magic, when some cockroach crawled over her in the 1980's, and says she had never read a book, etc, etc.
That has been shown to be FALSE, as people from back then have stated she mainly just picked stuff from various other workshops, and books, and writings at the time.
And her 9-day LGAT seminar is a clone of many of the recent LGAT seminars. Why? Because they simply copied all the other LGAT seminars methods, and they combine them together in their own way.
So even just the fact that they are running an LGAT seminar, actually proves the entire Byron Katie thing is a sham. Its just a bunch of LGAT techniques.
And LGAT's are very dangerous, from Landmark, to many others. The effects can last for many YEARS, and some people can have very serious, even lethal problems from LGAT's.
That is why everyone has to sign the BYRON KATIE RELEASE OF LIABILITY [forum.culteducation.com
(one has to hope that more people will refuse to sign those types of releases, and just refuse to attend any "seminar" with such outrageous and heinous demands being made on them)
And its strange to bring up Jim Jones.
But the thing about Jim Jones, is that there was a documentary crew in Jonestown with the officials, the day before the tragedy. And initially, everything seemed "fine". Why?
Because people were TERRIFIED of complaining about Jonestown, as their own friends and children would report them to Jim Jones. It was a climate of extreme fear of speaking out.
Where else is there a climate of fear and silence, and everyone signed to GAG-contracts? That is happening around Byron Katie right now.
And right up to the point where the Jonestown tragedy happened, some people were saying Jim Jones was a hero. Why did people miss the warning signs? Jim Jones was not some mere "madman", he was a highly sophisticated mass persuader, and much beyond that.
Many children and people were murdered at Jonestown. But also, many others appear to have "Voluntarily" committed mass suicide. There is even a discussion recorded on tape about that, right before it happened.
JONESTOWN, PBS, American Experience, the meaning of "Voluntary" [forum.culteducation.com
It does remind one of the current cultish groups that say everything is "Voluntary".
Yeah, well Jonestown mass suicide was "Voluntary" for some of the people too. That needs to be explained more carefully by researchers and scholars and psychologists.
But even though Jonestown ended in a mass homicide/suicide of 900 people, there are still similarities to current groups, even though they are not homicidal.
For example, they ONLY listened to information from Jim Jones.
Which current group states in their LGAT seminar list, that people are to ONLY read materials by their current Guru during the LGAT?
THE DREADED LIST [forum.culteducation.com
You have entered the world of The School for The Work, the School of You. We ask that you not use, consume, or engage in, any of the following:
• outside contact with family or friends, including email and letters
• cell phones, pagers, computers
• television, radio, music
• books, tapes, or magazines (other than The School materials)
That is the Jim Jones method, he was also the only source of information.
He played his voice on speakers 24 hrs a day for that reason. Its a brainwashing tactic.
And that Byron Katie list is WORSE than most LGAT's.
The "Dreaded List" from above, then moves into the TOTAL CONTROL of SEX, FOOD, non-prescription drugs, makeup...
You see what they are doing? They are implementing total control of people's behavior, and minds, by going after their PRIMAL needs. That are very extreme methods.
But possibly the most important thing about this is, is the aspect of something being "Voluntary".
"Voluntary" is not absolute, when in the hands of skilled persuaders.
Now they have disclaimers you sign that says "its all Voluntary". That is their last defense. "Its Voluntary".
The reality is that these Guru's know these techniques and methods, and they make them APPEAR "Voluntary" even though its taken the level of extreme financial and personal exploitation.
When some group fills their LGAT seminar waiver with the phrase...ITS ALL VOLUNTARY...you better run for the hills. This means they are 100% conscious of their extreme persuasion techniques, and that they can get people to do things they would not normally do, and are trying to cover their own asses.
Its the planned, and systematic engineering of seemingly "Voluntary" consent.
And its totally conscious and deliberate.
Why else would they fill their disclaimers with "Its all Voluntary" over and over?
Is it because of all the complaints after, when people can't explain why they did what they did, and felt they had been manipulated, coerced, duped, tricked?
How can seemingly voluntary "consent" be engineered by a Guru or professional persuader?
That is what its really these threads are all about.
How EXACTLY Guru's are able to engineer what appears to be "voluntary consent" in large groups of people.
Powerful persuasion and influence, in large groups and one-on one, without the subjects conscious awareness. Engineering consent.
Want to find out how its done? Read this thread.
Even just the AWARENESS of the techniques will make them far less effective.
There needs to be a lot more research done in this area, as those who are doing this type of powerful persuasion professionally, are very sophisticated, and get better at it every year.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2009 02:13PM by The Anticult.