this thread has flamed up a number of times, as its dealing with very very COMPLEX situations, which are highly emotional, and its easy to miscommunicate with plain-text when people are rushed.
There is nothing simple about what is going on here.
There are very skilled people who are literally playing with how large groups of people represent "reality" in their minds.
Steve Salerno was actually never accused of being duped by either Stever Robbins or Steven Sashen.
It was a more general question about POSSIBLE wider public perceptions due to assocations, and how it MAY be viewed by others.
Since 3 main Byron Katie people were involved, it was relevant.
Carol Skolnick, Stever Robbins, and Steve Sashen. Carol Skolnick even tried to use the SHAM book to defend Byron Katie, as mentioned before.
Stever Robbins is a very slick writer. Later when there is time, we'll take a close look at his responses.
But this can be used as the PERFECT wedge issue for those trying to create more confusion around Byron Katie.
Due to some personal disagreements, its easy to then make an OVERGENERALIZATION and try to dismiss some of the criticism of Byron Katie.
That is a very serious mistake.
This mini-flame situation, actually has NOTHING to do with Byron Katie.
To explore the issues of Byron Katie, people can read the participant reports, and Janaki's blog, and the hundreds of other pages of information and analysis.
But just watch, as those who are trying to paint themselves as having nothing to do with Byron Katie, try to turn a personal disagreement, into a sweeping overgeneralization, to try and dismiss the criticism of Byron Katie. That has been tried before.
They even tried to smear Janaki, instead of dealing with the very specific details of her comments on her blog. [janakisstory.wordpress.com
They can't deal with the facts, so they try to do an overgeneralized smear-tactic, to short-circuit people's thinking processes.
So ironically, the question raised about what was the purpose of Stever Robbins and Steven Sashen posting on that blog, may have answered itself in how this has played out so far.
You are not going to see Stever Robbins make posts anywhere, where he is challenged for the methods he uses on his clients and the public.
Old-School NLPers like Stever Robbins are used to dealing with people in the public who are completely ignorant of the depths of what is taught in advanced NLP-style persuasion. So he can try to play-innocent, and act like he is Mr Email Organizer...uh...not quite.
Anyone can see that Stever Robbins starts with your Email, and then moves into all the other products he sells, and later getting into all the nested loops, and metaphors, and all that other complex stuff, taught in PERSUASION ENGINEERING.
Its funny, as at the same time he is selling these products, he is trying to play-act that he is innocent. Sure, most people buy it, but not those who understand how it works.
All it takes is some basic research. (but don't buy any of his products of course).
But as far as this recent Flame-Up, again, it will be used to try and deflect away from the facts and extensive research into the methods of Byron Katie. Pretty standard.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2009 05:27AM by The Anticult.