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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: billy77 ()
Date: January 25, 2013 11:11AM

I'm sick of these people. These sellers of shoddy goods.

No amount of thinking can free you from pain and fear.

People just need to wise up to this shit. Instead they are being messed with by these pariahs.

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: February 19, 2013 12:41AM

Secrets They Don't Want Us To Know

The Anticult Wrote April 27, 2009 04:22PM, Italics and footnotes to other references added in by Corboy.

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(The Anticult)Yes, the BK system is related to a Yes-Set*, in terms of Leading Questions with embedded presuppositions, and convincing people to follow the BK questions. The YES is in agreeing to follow the questions.

*(Google 'Yes Set'-- corboy

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(The Anticult)There are even LGAT (Large Group Awareness Trainings) guru's who get their audience to literally shout YES!, over and over, all day long.

They start small...
Are you feeling good? YES!
Are you ready to rock? YES!
Are you ready to Transform? YES! (x1000)

Then 9 days later...

...are your ready to buy ALL my products? YES!
Are you ready to sign the contract NOW for my Advanced School? YES! YES! (then you sign right there, and can't get out of it).

It becomes automatic, if you say or think YES 10,000 times in 9 days.

But the Yes Set starts by getting a person to make a TINY agreement with the seminar leader.

(Werner Erhard* knew this from sales, and Scientology does the exact same thing).

*(Corboy note: Werner Erhard created EST*

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(The Anticult)The BK system starts with BK "inviting" people to agree to "try" the BK Questions which are "free".

You try to make the first YES as easy as possible, small, free, tiny, then you build it up.
Then later, after its built up for DAYS 16 hrs a day, you ask them for their most valued possession, and they say YES.
You ask them for EVERYTHING, and they say YES.
But you have to start small, and build it up, one tiny YES at a time.
There will be hundreds/thousands of small YES's before you hit the big Yes's.

That is why, if one uses critical thinking, you can't even get past the first BK question..

Q- Is it true?
A - uh, Dr. Katie...that is a misleading question with a false presuppostion. Nothing is 100% "true" but on a range of accuracy. So a better question is, how accurate is it?

Q. Is that true?
A. Yes, it is quite accurate.

Q. Can you absolutely know that it's true?
A. I already said its NOT absolutely true, but its quite accurate, maybe 95-99%.

Q. How do you react, what happens, when you believe that thought?
A. I feel great, accurate knowledge is wonderful

Q. Who would you be without the thought?
A. Without "how accurate is it"? You would get lost in delusion, lost in new age fantasies, primitive superstitions. Hey, you could even get lured into a white-collar cult and hand over your money to some slick guru! It happens you know.

Q. Turnaround:
A. I am not going to engage in polarized thinking, that is a cognitive distortion. See question #1..."how accurate is it"? Turnarounds are a damaging gimmick.

Q. uh uh uh..can I use your phone?
A. no, you may not use my phone to call your BK "coach" for advice. Your 4 Questions are silly...

...then dismissively wave your hand in the air like UG Krishnamurti did to Byron Katie, and say..."politicians...gimmicks", and go out for some non-organic protein, and a coffee.


If a person applies critical thinking to the Byron Katie Question system, it falls apart.
JUST SAY NO...to the Yes-Set.

also, when studying LGAT videos and recordings, everytime they try to get you to think YES, literally say NO out loud. It blocks most of the leading questions and programming.Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2009 04:36PM by The Anticult

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 30, 2013 10:04PM

Just go here and dive in.

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Old posts are often worth re-reading.

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: May 11, 2013 11:40PM

Women freed from captivity as sex slaves

"for people victimized by monstrous criminals, guilt is a common reaction."

A BK 'Turnaround' is TOXIC when used by or on persons who have been molested.

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Another step toward normalcy for the three women will be accepting something that seems obvious to the rest of the world: They have no reason to feel guilty.

"First of all, I'd make sure these young women know that nothing that happened to them is their fault," Elizabeth Smart, who was kidnapped at age 14 and held in sexual captivity for nine months, told People magazine.

Donohue-Dioh says that even for people victimized by monstrous criminals, guilt is a common reaction. The Cleveland women told police they were snatched after accepting rides from Castro.

"They need to recognize that what happened as a result of that choice is not the rightful or due punishment. That's really difficult sometimes," Donohue-Dioh says.

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Family support will be crucial, the therapists say. But what does family mean when one member has spent a decade trapped with strangers?

"The family has to be ready to include a stranger into its sphere," Bowers says. "Because if they try to reintegrate the 14-year-old girl who went missing, that's not going to work. That 14-year-old girl doesn't exist anymore. They have to accept this stranger as someone they don't know."

Natascha Kampusch, who was kidnapped in Austria at age 10 and spent eight years in captivity, has said that her 2006 reunion with her family was both euphoric and awkward.

"I had lived for too long in a nightmare, the psychological prison was still there and stood between me and my family," Kampusch wrote in "3096 Days," her account of the ordeal.

Kampusch, now 25, said in a German television interview that she was struggling to form normal relationships, partly because many people seem to shy away from her.

"What a lot of these people say is, what's more important than what happened is how people react," says Greenberg, the psychologist.

The world has reacted to the Cleveland women with an outpouring of sympathy and support. This reaction will live on, amplified by the technologies that rose while the women were locked away.

Yet these women are more than the sum of their Wikipedia pages. Dugard, Smart and other survivors often speak of not being defined by their tragedies — another challenge for the Cleveland survivors.

"A classmate will hear their name, or a co-worker, and will put them in this box: This is who you are and what happened to you," Donohue-Dioh says. "Our job as society is to move beyond what they are and what they've experienced."

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"This isn't who they are," Dugard told People. "It is only what happened to them."

Still, for the three Cleveland women, their journey forward will always include that horrifying lost decade.

"We can't escape our past," Donohue-Dioh says, "so how are we able to manage how much it influences our present and our future?"

Their recovery will include that horrifying lost decade.

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Year after year, the clock ticked by and the calendar marched forward, carrying the three women further from the real world and pulling them deeper into an isolated nightmare.

Now, for the women freed from captivity inside a Cleveland house, the ordeal is not over. Next comes recovery — from sexual abuse and their sudden, jarring reentry into a world much different from the one they were snatched from a decade ago.

Therapists say that with extensive treatment and support, healing is likely for the women, who were 14, 16 and 21 when they were abducted. But it is often a long and difficult process.

"It's sort of like coming out of a coma," says Dr. Barbara Greenberg, a psychologist who specializes in treating abused teenagers. "It's a very isolating and bewildering experience."

In the world the women left behind, a gallon of gas cost about $1.80. Barack Obama was a state senator. Phones were barely taking pictures. Things did not "go viral." There was no YouTube, no Facebook, no iPhone.

Emerging into the future is difficult enough. The two younger Cleveland women are doing it without the benefit of crucial formative years.

"By taking away their adolescence, they weren't able to develop emotional and psychological and social skills," says Duane Bowers, who counsels traumatized families through the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

"They're 10 years behind in these skills. Those need to be caught up before they can work on reintegrating into society," he says.

That society can be terrifying. As freed captive Georgina DeJesus arrived home from the hospital, watched by a media horde, she hid herself beneath a hooded sweatshirt. The freed Amanda Berry slipped into her home without being seen.

"They weren't hiding from the press, from the cameras," Bowers says. "They were hiding from the freedom, from the expansiveness."

In the house owned by Ariel Castro, who is charged with kidnapping and raping the women, claustrophobic control ruled. Police say Castro kept them chained in a basement and locked in upstairs rooms, that he fathered a child with one of them, and that he starved and beat his captives into multiple miscarriages.

In all those years, they only set foot outside of the house twice — and then only as far as the garage.

"Something as simple as walking into a Target is going to be a major problem for them," Bowers says.

Jessica Donohue-Dioh, who works with survivors of human trafficking as a social work instructor at Xavier University in Cincinnati, says the freedom to make decisions can be one of the hardest parts of recovery.

"'How should I respond? What do they really want from me?'" Donohue-Dioh says, describing a typical reaction. "They may feel they may not have a choice in giving the right answer."

That has been a challenge for Jaycee Dugard, who is now an advocate for trauma victims after surviving 18 years in captivity — "learning how to speak up, how to say what I want instead of finding out what everybody else wants," Dugard told ABC News.

Like Berry, Dugard was impregnated by her captor and is now raising the two children. She still feels anger about her ordeal.

"But then on the other hand, I have two beautiful daughters that I can never be sorry about," Dugard says.

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BK turnarounds would be a disaster for anyone who has been abused.

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 15, 2013 07:41AM

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: August 02, 2013 08:11PM

See [www.cultnews.com]

The Rick A. Ross Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups, and Movements has officially changed its name to The Cult Education Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Movements.

The new domain name entry point and gateway to the Internet archives of the institute will soon be culteducation.com.

The Cult Education Institute archives is a library of information about destructive cults, controversial groups and movements, which was initially launched in 1996 and has continued to be under construction and expansion for the past 17 years.

The public message board attached to the The Cult Education Institute will soon only be accessible through the domain name culteducation.com. More than 100,000 entries from the former members of destructive cults, controversial groups and movements and others concerned has accumulated at the board over the past decade. The message board content continues to grow daily and it serves as a free speech zone for those who wish to share their insights and concerns about the topics listed.

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: August 23, 2013 10:10PM

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: February 28, 2014 11:21PM

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: April 22, 2014 11:16AM

A golden oldie on this page

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Another golden olddie from 2005 - Craigslist
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: April 29, 2014 10:31PM

Back in 2005, Tolle's book The Power of New was the big thing.

One person wrote this on Craigslist and had much to say about the accumulation
mentality.

Perhaps Mr Tolle's fees and seating arrangements have changed since that time.

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(quote)Eckhart Tolle is a hypocrite (bayview)

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Date: 2005-11-11, 4:56AM PST


I too was drawn in to the popular book "Power of Now", and went to a lecture several years ago in SF given by Mr. Tolle. I must say he is quite a showman. He's truly made a big business out of supposedly transcending the ego and offering enlightenment. He is very articulate and good at what he does. Unfortunately, I think he's full of shit.

How dare he charge $60 for his lectures, and have a "gold circle seating" section for those willing to pay like $100? What the hell kind of message does that send? Enlightenment is only for those who can afford it? I don't think Buddha or Jesus ever charged for their lectures, and he's likening his state to theirs.

I'm not a person looking for a reason to feel offended. I came with an open mind. But I just could not get past this unbelievable slap in the face and sickening hypocrisy. And if you go to his website, he charges over $100 for many of his DVD's and other products.

If he's truly so concerned about helping the world "awaken", why the hell not give it away for free? I could understand initially needing to bootstrap and make enough (even that is suspect). But now that he's no doubt made millions on the backs of the spiritually confused, he certainly could afford to give his teachings and writings away for free on the internet for example.

Of course if he was confronted with this, I have no doubt he'd conjure up some clever euphamism for why this is ok, much like Deepak Chopra's "abundant" universe principle (another hukster selling enlightenment). And he might further say there's nothing wrong with money, it's just a form of energy, or some bullshit like that. That's like saying there's nothing wrong with a handgun, it's just a piece of steel.

In his latest book, he talks about the illusion of possessions, and how they are just attachments of the ego, etc. Well Eckhart, then why don't you just give me your bank account? Oh, maybe you don't consider the intangible electronic representation of money as a possession? And suppose he dontates all his money to charity (which I'm sure he doesn't), this still could not possibly spiritually justify his position, taking from already needy people.

I'm so tired of these mass market spiritual huksters who no doubt can wow you with their words, but at the core, are the worst of the worst, abusing their power to do what? Suprise suprise, take your money, how enlightened. I feel they do much more harm then good. The nature of the message that they are attempting to deliver is such that it is critical HOW it is delivered. So when it's delivered as an overpriced product, thus fully embracing the status quo, you can forget the message.

I believe there is no possible way to reconcile the making of money with a truly enlightened state. Money is devisive. It and the economy are reflections of our endlessly competitve, uncompassionate selves as the status quo.

Just think, if we were all truly compassionate and loving, would we care if a person had or didn't have money? Would we use that against them? The accumulation mentality is the hallmark of the egoic state, and Eckhart is guilty in spades. People accumulate because they don't trust and care about each other. If they did, they would chose not to profit--it would be immature and shameful. Any excess would be given back somehow, not hoarded or stockpiled. Money is a civilized form of warfare.

Obviously money and the economy are just one manifestation of the egoic state of conciousness most of the world inhabits. But it is probably the single most powerful re-enforcer of this state and that's why I'm harping on it, and very angry about the nonchalant hypocrisy of Mr. Tolle.
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