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Organ harvesting? Where'd Mackenzie get that idea from, I wonder?

Maybe from the "kidney cult," huh? Do ya think?



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No evident of systemic organ harvesting in Shakahola.


Mackenzie had his own ideas.

Information about link between groups would be useful, not speculation.

kithi Wrote:
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> No evident of systemic organ harvesting in
> Shakahola.
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> Mackenzie had his own ideas.
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> Information about link between groups would be
> useful, not speculation.

No evidence of organ harvestig, you say? That's not what is says here:

[www.capitalfm.co.ke]

[forum.culteducation.com]

[www.plugmedia.co.ke]

[www.theguardian.com]

'Australian Christian group fights claim it was linked to leader of Kenya starvation massacre doomsday cult
Kenyan parliamentary committee report finds Paul Mackenzie, held responsible for more than 400 deaths, was ‘influenced’ by Australians Dave and Cherry McKay, which they vehemently deny'

[www.apologeticsindex.org]



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A lot to say about the ' cult' label.

That word might confuse some people, but the crucial issue is whether a group has a positive or negative impact on its members and on society.

Does it help or does it harm?

Does it confuse accountability with persecution?

Does it declare its earnings and pay its taxes?

Just had a Captain Cook at this judgement on Spencer v McKay. It is longer than the Murray but worth posting.


[www.countycourt.vic.gov.au]


Spoiler alert : Spencer won case.

Thank you for this, but what is a Captain Cook, please?