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Reconciliation entails recognition and acknowledgement of damage done. Dave has NEVER to my knowledge recognised or acknowledged any damage he has done to any person. He has a wake of destruction behind him. He has hurt many people and families through his constant false accusations, lies and bullying tactics.

I took back certain things I have said about Dave on this forum because he threatened his own child's reputation and career if I did not. That is an example of how bullying can cause someone take something back.

Why do you assume that taking something back could not be the result of Dave's bully boy tactics?

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Ash said: Au contraire my dear friend, I never did anything of the sort. What I did was question your assumption that it could ONLY come from that.

And what I did was question your assumption that it did not. I know from experience that Dave uses bully boy tactics and have mentioned specifics of which you continually choose to ignore accusing me of bitterness instead.

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Ash said: Your answer, and in particular the fact that you have completely ignored the real issue (whether the comments in question are false/hurtful or not) is very telling. Don't try to lecture people on how to reconcile if you are only interested in creating division yourself.

I, unlike you Ash, do not avoid the real issues. I note that you completely ignore the claims that have been made on the thread about the wake of destruction he has left behind him, instead choosing focus upon the "effect" as opposed to the cause. Dave did a similar thing when one of his swore at him for being so deceptive during the communal split in 97. The "swearing" by the son suddenly took on greater significance than the fact that Dave was throwing him out of his own rented house on to the street, along with other families that had young children and babies.

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Do you like being in a community where the apostle has a little chuckle at someone referring to your mother as "Satan's whore" Ash? Is that what you are part of now?

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Ash said: Craig, do you enjoy being part of a community that has referred to Dave as a paedophile, 'rockspider', 'endtime wanking virgin army apostle, appropriately annointed in his own seminal fluid', etc...?

The comments you so self righteously make mention of, (i.e. "rockspider/paedophile") were made in the context of responding to Dave McKays/Jesus Christians predatory pattern of engaging in secret meetings with minors (i.e. Joe @ age 16 when he first met the JC's) and their presence being kept secret from his parents until he turned 18 where they could then use the law of the land to justify their support of decision to join their group. The two years prior to Joe "forsaking" his parents consisted in the usual indoctrination against his parents, or their hope for Joe and his scholarship.

Note how I actually ANSWER your questions Ash. With regard to the "end time wanking army". You are part of a group which claims to be an "end time army" that does promote "wanking". Your group has an article called "wanking the last taboo" does it not? So it is not unreasonable to agree with your own claims about yourself in that you are an end time wanking army. Your mother has NEVER claimed to be "Satan's whore" so your assertions that what has been said on a JC parody site about the JC's is the same is nonsense.

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Why try and damn Dave because he lightly chided someone who wrote offensive things on our forum? If you were offended, there was nothing stopping you from replying to Al's post on our forum yourself. What you did instead, was to document it as another piece of 'evidence' to be used in your hate campaign against Dave.

Why Damn the authors of the Parody JC website because they cited your own claims in a colourful fashion?

Why did I document it as yet more evidence of Dave's hateful behavior? Because it is further evidence. This man, who claims to be your "apostle" is laughing while supposedly "lightly chiding" someone who said your mother was "Satan's whore", and you defend this and take offence that I would document it. Get real Ash.

Oh yeah, by the way, I do not hate Dave.

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Ash said: No matter how many times you tell yourself your actions are loving, I'm afraid it is painfully obvious to an outside observer, that bitterness is driving your actions in this scenario.

Keep telling yourself that Ash, and one day you will really believe it.