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The most difficult predicament for persons who might come here is being in a state where one is not quite out and not quite in. Fallen between two stools. Where one has enough worries and doubts to dare come here and read this thread, but still feels protective of wonderful experiences one attributes to UM.
The medium here, where we are reading each others typing and cannot see each other face to face, or hear subtle voice inflections can make misunderstanding easy.
I am thinking of persons who might come here who are are troubled by doubts concerning the UM organization or leaders, yet attribute to UM experiences that felt wonderful and that made them feel better than before, perhaps gave relief to an underlying depression, a much needed surge of vitality..
One thing heard again and yet again, is 'But what you are describing isnt MY experience
Experience doesnt equal truth. In one of our 12 Step programs a common reminder is feelings are not facts. Years ago, I was ill and had fevers of 104. Felt I was freezing to death. Was amazed that the clinical thermometer read 104 F. My brain was screwed up by all the chemicals released by my immune system to fight the infection. So though I felt as though I needed blankets and heat, what I really needed was to cool down. People who are drunk are often certain they are good to drive.
Some who say "But this was my experience"
Are apologists who not only defend their own experiences but who are prepared to bully, tyrannize and dump shame and invalidation on anyone who visits here expressing concerns or doubts about their group.
RR.com will not permit this kind of bullying.
Shame trolls have to be dealt with firmly and immediately, because they produce a schoolyard bullying atmosphere on this dicussion board, which is supposed to be a bully free space where persons with concerns can express doubts without being harassed.
Here is where matters become more delicate.
Many will sincerely alternate between having anguished doubt and then when a discussion goes uncomfortably deep, they feel unsafe may abruptly take refuge in what they experienced and defend UM. The anxiety is severe and people may not be aware of it consciously.
All that is asked here on RR.com is no matter how you feel, please dont dump on someone who wants to further explore his or her doubts. If you feel scared about this, feel free to take a break from the message board. When interested in exploring your own doubts, come back when ever you please.
But again, if going through a phase of recalling the good stuff you felt in UM, dont scold others who are here to discuss their doubts. It takes time to figure out where one stands and this venue is a setting where people are at quite different points in sorting matters out.
It is similar to quitting smoking. Some who quit are far enough along that htey can stand in the presence of other smokers and not feel any cravings. Others who are in early recovery may find it intolerable to see or smell cigarettes. Some may feel fine some days and other days may have difficulty coping with triggers.
All I can offer (sadly) is to insist on a few points.
Experiences, no matter how marvellous and transformative, can be produced through social manipulation.
See here about another group. Walter1963 is the source. THe entity promises enlightenment in one afternoon.
Interesting, Genpo's 'Big Mind' Method is a variation of a old NLP method called a "Parts Party" and it's newer cousin "Core Transformation" but with a real sick twist, Genpo is actually creating another sub personality and have them halluncinate satori in the process.
Normally this doesn't work well, but when you have a big name like Wilber and cronies endorsing the method and a audience who believes the guy in front of them has the fast track to enlightenment, people are going fall for it hard.
Worse the more a student practices the method the more fragmented the person's personality will become.
Nearly all these programs will make you feel excited, feel better -- at first.
Can you pick a point where YOU can stop this process and get on with the rest of your life?
Do you have to keep going back to UM in order to keep on
It might be analogous to stories told by persons recovering from drugs addiction. That first dose make them feel marvellous--partly because their neurotransmitters had not been depleted.
Not yet. Depleted neurotransmitters come later. And with time, the liver and in some cases the kidneys get more efficient at metabolizing the agent. Later, as damage sets in, the liver and kidneys sustain injury and yet more trouble happens.
But..not yet. One gets that ecstacy. One wants it again, especially after plopping back to Normie world and finding one's body is wrung dry and things look cruddy and mediocre.
But repeated exposure to the same drug caused tolerance to set in. One had the anxiety and expense of procuring more and more and yet more.
Finally one was taking heavy quantities not to feel better, but to keep from feeling anxious, ill and paranoid. One's body chemistry had been changed and depleted.
One went from that first ecstacy to being drained and trapped in a life one didnt want.
And recovering addicts have told me that they would glorify the scene as something romantically outlaw.
I met one man who, during his junkie days, had had somene tattoo a heroin syringe upon his forearm.
At the time I met him, he was poor and in a recovery community and said he was very sorry he had that tattoo because it would be a liability to him and he had to keep his sleeve down most of the time. He no longer was in the mindset where it had made sense to glorify the
quest for dope.
But...today addictive ecstacy can be produced through social engineering.
No need to scoot around, slink around early in the morning to buy white powder.