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Lifetruetome you undersell yourself -- you do know the difference between when someone is being loving or not -- everyone does. You would know if your child is giving you a flower because they want a cake. Or if they were giving you a flower because they just truly felt to show their appreciation. In my message to the students I asked them to be honest and reflect on their intention when posting a message. If people post simply to get attention or recognition of 'appearing loving' then by anyone's standards that is not truly an expression of love.
Hi Rebecca08, I don't think I try to analyse why my child would give me a flower. To be honest I just accept that our love and their love is a given. Of course, there are ways children or adults manipulate their behaviour to get what they want, I am not that naive, to think that is love. My problem with UM is that you tell your students how to be on Facebook, and what love should look like. Its as if UM has the rules on what "love" is. if someone wants to post messages to get attention, whose business is it, theirs, not UM's and certainly not mine. But Rebecc08 its not just that UM writes the rules on love it also says that if you are not connecting to your true "inner heart" then you are open to pranic energy. This creates fear amongst your students. This is the hook that UM uses. Its this fear that I ultimately have a big problem with. i.e. the UM students can't express themselves freely on Facebook in case they will be struck down by pranic forces. Of course this fear goes beyond Facebook and into their everyway of being.
If wasn't for the fact that we live in an open democratic society and that we all have the right of freedom of speech and expression (unlike China where there are strict rules on freedom of speech on the social media) then UM wouldn't be able to operate. UM ostracises the very society that has allowed it to flourish.
Yes thanks for reminding me that I do know when someone is being loving, and I am sorry but I feel in every cell of my body that Serge isn't the real deal. I don't get the right feeling of love from Serge or UM.
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Of course, if it is not that, then it needs to contact the media and start doing press releases and hold public forums explaining how Serge has come from Shambhala to help mankind escape the fleshy shackles of this pathetic, sickly, illusion filled sad and pathetic life and elevate us into the fiery plan..urgently.
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On his way across the wastes of Mongolia in 1921, Polish writer and refugee Ferdinand Ossendowski witnessed some strange behaviour on the part of his Mongol guides. Stopping their camels in the middle of nowhere, they began to pray in great earnestness while a strange hush fell over the animals and everything around. The Mongols later explained that this ritual happened whenever “the King of the World in his subterranean palace prays and searches out the destiny of all people on Earth.”1
From assorted lamas, Ossendowski learned that this King of the World was ruler of a mysterious, but supposedly very real, kingdom, “Agharti.” In Agharti, he was told, “the learned Panditas [masters of Buddhist arts and sciences] write on tablets of stone all the science of our planet and of the other worlds.”2 Whoever gained access to the underground realm would have access to incredible knowledge – and power.
Ossendowski was not exactly a casual listener. As noted in a previous article [The “Bloody” Baron von Ungern-Sternberg: Madman or Mystic?, New Dawn No. 108 (May-June 2008)], during 1921 he would become a key adviser to “Mad Baron” Roman von Ungern-Sternberg who established a short-lived regime in the Outer Mongolian capital of Urga.3 A self-proclaimed warrior Buddhist who dreamed of leading a holy war in Asia, the Baron allegedly tried to contact the “King of the World” in hopes of furthering his scheme.
Ossendowski’s credibility later was assailed by the likes of Swedish explorer Sven Hedin.4 Among other things, Hedin accused the Pole of plagiarising the story of Agarthi from an earlier work by French esotericist Joseph Alexandre St.-Yves d’Alveydre.5 To one extent or another, that probably was true, but Hedin, a veteran seeker after lost cities, did not dismiss the possibility of a hidden Kingdom; indeed, he likely harboured the aim of finding it himself.
In any event, Ossendowski did not invent the story of a fabulous land secreted somewhere in – or under – the vastness of Central Asia, be it called Agharti, Agarttha, Shangri-la, or, most commonly, Shambhala.6 Some believed it to be a physical, subterranean realm inhabited by an ancient, advanced race, while to others it was a spiritual dimension accessible only to the enlightened. The Shambhala legend is firmly grounded in Buddhist tradition which vaguely puts the Kingdom somewhere to the north of India. The legend also proclaimed that a time would come when the King of Shambhala and his mighty hosts would come forth to vanquish evil and usher in a golden age guided by pure Dharma. As noted, Baron von Ungern-Sternberg envisioned himself as the initiator of this “Shambhala War.” So would others.
The tantalising possibility of a hidden trove of advanced knowledge and technical know-how did not just pique the curiosity of explorers and occultists. The practical advantages to be gained by accessing and exploiting such knowledge was not lost on certain politicians and intelligence officers, above all in Soviet Russia. But whatever attracted the attention of the Bolsheviks was bound to draw British curiosity as well, and where both those powers were concerned, the Americans, Germans and Japanese were unlikely to be far behind.
This article focuses on the activities of three men, two Russians and one American: Aleksandr Vasil’evich Barchenko, the so-called “Bolshevik professor of the occult,” the artist-mystic-explorer Nicholas Roerich, and the man often cited as the real-life model for Indiana Jones, Roy Chapman Andrews. While, so far as can be told, none of the trio ever met, all were involved with expeditions roaming the deserts of Mongolia and the high valleys of the Himalayas in search of lost civilisation and ancient man. In the case of Barchenko and Roerich, the specific object was Shambhala. As we will see, these explorations were only the tip of a clandestine iceberg of intrigue and hidden agendas which included secret societies and a host of spies. Just who was doing what for whom – and why – remains uncertain.
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Shambhala - a Name With Many Associations, A Name to Conjure With
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Of course, if it is not that, then it needs to contact the media and start doing press releases and hold public forums explaining how Serge has come from Shambhala to help mankind escape the fleshy shackles of this pathetic, sickly, illusion filled sad and pathetic life and elevate us into the fiery plan..urgently.
SB is one of many who have created some version of a Shambhala salvation story.
According to a scholars of Buddhism and Indian/Tibetan history, the original Shambala story likely arose in an historical context: the fear and anxiety created by collapse of Buddhist societies in the north Indian subcontinent during successive Muslim invasions, from 711 CE into the 11 and 12 th Centuries CE.
Creating the Shambhala redemption story was a way to cope with the anxieties.
[www.berzinarchives.com]
However, this Shambhala story has had a powerful history and the myth has been used to arouse the energies fears and hopes of people by many successive leaders, both religious and political.
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On his way across the wastes of Mongolia in 1921, Polish writer and refugee Ferdinand Ossendowski witnessed some strange behaviour on the part of his Mongol guides. Stopping their camels in the middle of nowhere, they began to pray in great earnestness while a strange hush fell over the animals and everything around. The Mongols later explained that this ritual happened whenever “the King of the World in his subterranean palace prays and searches out the destiny of all people on Earth.”1
From assorted lamas, Ossendowski learned that this King of the World was ruler of a mysterious, but supposedly very real, kingdom, “Agharti.” In Agharti, he was told, “the learned Panditas [masters of Buddhist arts and sciences] write on tablets of stone all the science of our planet and of the other worlds.”2 Whoever gained access to the underground realm would have access to incredible knowledge – and power.
Ossendowski was not exactly a casual listener. As noted in a previous article [The “Bloody” Baron von Ungern-Sternberg: Madman or Mystic?, New Dawn No. 108 (May-June 2008)], during 1921 he would become a key adviser to “Mad Baron” Roman von Ungern-Sternberg who established a short-lived regime in the Outer Mongolian capital of Urga.3 A self-proclaimed warrior Buddhist who dreamed of leading a holy war in Asia, the Baron allegedly tried to contact the “King of the World” in hopes of furthering his scheme.
Ossendowski’s credibility later was assailed by the likes of Swedish explorer Sven Hedin.4 Among other things, Hedin accused the Pole of plagiarising the story of Agarthi from an earlier work by French esotericist Joseph Alexandre St.-Yves d’Alveydre.5 To one extent or another, that probably was true, but Hedin, a veteran seeker after lost cities, did not dismiss the possibility of a hidden Kingdom; indeed, he likely harboured the aim of finding it himself.
In any event, Ossendowski did not invent the story of a fabulous land secreted somewhere in – or under – the vastness of Central Asia, be it called Agharti, Agarttha, Shangri-la, or, most commonly, Shambhala.6 Some believed it to be a physical, subterranean realm inhabited by an ancient, advanced race, while to others it was a spiritual dimension accessible only to the enlightened. The Shambhala legend is firmly grounded in Buddhist tradition which vaguely puts the Kingdom somewhere to the north of India. The legend also proclaimed that a time would come when the King of Shambhala and his mighty hosts would come forth to vanquish evil and usher in a golden age guided by pure Dharma. As noted, Baron von Ungern-Sternberg envisioned himself as the initiator of this “Shambhala War.” So would others.
The tantalising possibility of a hidden trove of advanced knowledge and technical know-how did not just pique the curiosity of explorers and occultists. The practical advantages to be gained by accessing and exploiting such knowledge was not lost on certain politicians and intelligence officers, above all in Soviet Russia. But whatever attracted the attention of the Bolsheviks was bound to draw British curiosity as well, and where both those powers were concerned, the Americans, Germans and Japanese were unlikely to be far behind.
This article focuses on the activities of three men, two Russians and one American: Aleksandr Vasil’evich Barchenko, the so-called “Bolshevik professor of the occult,” the artist-mystic-explorer Nicholas Roerich, and the man often cited as the real-life model for Indiana Jones, Roy Chapman Andrews. While, so far as can be told, none of the trio ever met, all were involved with expeditions roaming the deserts of Mongolia and the high valleys of the Himalayas in search of lost civilisation and ancient man. In the case of Barchenko and Roerich, the specific object was Shambhala. As we will see, these explorations were only the tip of a clandestine iceberg of intrigue and hidden agendas which included secret societies and a host of spies. Just who was doing what for whom – and why – remains uncertain.
For the rest of the article, read here:
[www.newdawnmagazine.com]
Lots use Shambala as a brand name, too.
[www.google.com]
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To all the UM devotees who read this site and there are obviously a worrying amount now for Serge, what if he is the one that is wrong, what if you have been part of a giant money making hoax?
I don't and can't spend this lifetime feeling guilty for my past lifetimes or the ones to come, I can only be the very best human being I can be in THIS lifetime. I try to do daily acts of random kindnesses, I try not to judge the hundreds of other religions in the world as being 'less' than mine and I try (not always successfully) to not be a judgemental person in general. I don't see that happening with UM followers.
When I see that UM becomes a loving and accepting religion then I will convert.
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lifetruetome
If Serge is a true master and is pure love, I ask one question. Why does this forum bother him?. Would he not feel just feel love and compassion for us? Or is this not how UM works? Please excuse my ignorance as I always assumed a true enlightened being doesn't worry about what anyone else is thinking of them as they know who they really are and the truth of that. This is not a sacastic question but one that I would like answered. If intention is the all importance of UM then why the money? (obviously I can't get my head around the money thing)