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Lifetruetome you undersell yourself -- you do know the difference between when someone is being loving or not -- everyone does. You would know if your child is giving you a flower because they want a cake. Or if they were giving you a flower because they just truly felt to show their appreciation. In my message to the students I asked them to be honest and reflect on their intention when posting a message. If people post simply to get attention or recognition of 'appearing loving' then by anyone's standards that is not truly an expression of love.

Hi Rebecca08, I don't think I try to analyse why my child would give me a flower. To be honest I just accept that our love and their love is a given. Of course, there are ways children or adults manipulate their behaviour to get what they want, I am not that naive, to think that is love. My problem with UM is that you tell your students how to be on Facebook, and what love should look like. Its as if UM has the rules on what "love" is. if someone wants to post messages to get attention, whose business is it, theirs, not UM's and certainly not mine. But Rebecc08 its not just that UM writes the rules on love it also says that if you are not connecting to your true "inner heart" then you are open to pranic energy. This creates fear amongst your students. This is the hook that UM uses. Its this fear that I ultimately have a big problem with. i.e. the UM students can't express themselves freely on Facebook in case they will be struck down by pranic forces. Of course this fear goes beyond Facebook and into their everyway of being.

If wasn't for the fact that we live in an open democratic society and that we all have the right of freedom of speech and expression (unlike China where there are strict rules on freedom of speech on the social media) then UM wouldn't be able to operate. UM ostracises the very society that has allowed it to flourish.

Yes thanks for reminding me that I do know when someone is being loving, and I am sorry but I feel in every cell of my body that Serge isn't the real deal. I don't get the right feeling of love from Serge or UM.

good response, this makes a lot of logical sense to me.

Shambhala - a Name With Many Associations, A Name to Conjure With

From the Facebook item Rebecca refers to:

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Of course, if it is not that, then it needs to contact the media and start doing press releases and hold public forums explaining how Serge has come from Shambhala to help mankind escape the fleshy shackles of this pathetic, sickly, illusion filled sad and pathetic life and elevate us into the fiery plan..urgently.

SB is one of many who have created some version of a Shambhala salvation story.

According to a scholars of Buddhism and Indian/Tibetan history, the original Shambala story likely arose in an historical context: the fear and anxiety created by collapse of Buddhist societies in the north Indian subcontinent during successive Muslim invasions, from 711 CE into the 11 and 12 th Centuries CE.

Creating the Shambhala redemption story was a way to cope with the anxieties.

[www.berzinarchives.com]


However, this Shambhala story has had a powerful history and the myth has been used to arouse the energies fears and hopes of people by many successive leaders, both religious and political.

[www.newdawnmagazine.com]

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On his way across the wastes of Mongolia in 1921, Polish writer and refugee Ferdinand Ossendowski witnessed some strange behaviour on the part of his Mongol guides. Stopping their camels in the middle of nowhere, they began to pray in great earnestness while a strange hush fell over the animals and everything around. The Mongols later explained that this ritual happened whenever “the King of the World in his subterranean palace prays and searches out the destiny of all people on Earth.”1

From assorted lamas, Ossendowski learned that this King of the World was ruler of a mysterious, but supposedly very real, kingdom, “Agharti.” In Agharti, he was told, “the learned Panditas [masters of Buddhist arts and sciences] write on tablets of stone all the science of our planet and of the other worlds.”2 Whoever gained access to the underground realm would have access to incredible knowledge – and power.
Ossendowski was not exactly a casual listener. As noted in a previous article [The “Bloody” Baron von Ungern-Sternberg: Madman or Mystic?, New Dawn No. 108 (May-June 2008)], during 1921 he would become a key adviser to “Mad Baron” Roman von Ungern-Sternberg who established a short-lived regime in the Outer Mongolian capital of Urga.3 A self-proclaimed warrior Buddhist who dreamed of leading a holy war in Asia, the Baron allegedly tried to contact the “King of the World” in hopes of furthering his scheme.
Ossendowski’s credibility later was assailed by the likes of Swedish explorer Sven Hedin.4 Among other things, Hedin accused the Pole of plagiarising the story of Agarthi from an earlier work by French esotericist Joseph Alexandre St.-Yves d’Alveydre.5 To one extent or another, that probably was true, but Hedin, a veteran seeker after lost cities, did not dismiss the possibility of a hidden Kingdom; indeed, he likely harboured the aim of finding it himself.
In any event, Ossendowski did not invent the story of a fabulous land secreted somewhere in – or under – the vastness of Central Asia, be it called Agharti, Agarttha, Shangri-la, or, most commonly, Shambhala.6 Some believed it to be a physical, subterranean realm inhabited by an ancient, advanced race, while to others it was a spiritual dimension accessible only to the enlightened. The Shambhala legend is firmly grounded in Buddhist tradition which vaguely puts the Kingdom somewhere to the north of India. The legend also proclaimed that a time would come when the King of Shambhala and his mighty hosts would come forth to vanquish evil and usher in a golden age guided by pure Dharma. As noted, Baron von Ungern-Sternberg envisioned himself as the initiator of this “Shambhala War.” So would others.

The tantalising possibility of a hidden trove of advanced knowledge and technical know-how did not just pique the curiosity of explorers and occultists. The practical advantages to be gained by accessing and exploiting such knowledge was not lost on certain politicians and intelligence officers, above all in Soviet Russia. But whatever attracted the attention of the Bolsheviks was bound to draw British curiosity as well, and where both those powers were concerned, the Americans, Germans and Japanese were unlikely to be far behind.

This article focuses on the activities of three men, two Russians and one American: Aleksandr Vasil’evich Barchenko, the so-called “Bolshevik professor of the occult,” the artist-mystic-explorer Nicholas Roerich, and the man often cited as the real-life model for Indiana Jones, Roy Chapman Andrews. While, so far as can be told, none of the trio ever met, all were involved with expeditions roaming the deserts of Mongolia and the high valleys of the Himalayas in search of lost civilisation and ancient man. In the case of Barchenko and Roerich, the specific object was Shambhala. As we will see, these explorations were only the tip of a clandestine iceberg of intrigue and hidden agendas which included secret societies and a host of spies. Just who was doing what for whom – and why – remains uncertain.

For the rest of the article, read here:

[www.newdawnmagazine.com]

Lots use Shambala as a brand name, too.

[www.google.com]

I am not sure excactly what you mean by a gee up?

The areas I have approached in this post are definitely some that have been on my mind for some time but were avoided being posted because my last post that not gain much interest. My only direct contact with UM is when a dear friend of mine choose to no longer relate to her ex boyfriend due to his increased paranoia. I have not had the personal impact that many have on this forum have with family and friends.

b) I personally do not think it takes much to notice the fallacy in UM's teachings. I have had involvement with various branches of esotericism and this is one means of cutting right through the teachings, it doesn't take much thought. I think a group effort of critique would be a fantastc idea and then Serge could present more of his views and if they stand the scruitiny so be it if not people will be able to see opposite views clearly presented.

c) I think you are asking here if I am invovled with UM and have given another UM member the opportunity to respond in a way that betters their position, is this correct ? I am not involved with them in any manner. When the opportunity arose to present some of these ideas I took it, so in that sense yes it is contrived.

Yes, these ideas have been circulating in my mind for quite a while so was not at all hard to write them down.

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Shambhala - a Name With Many Associations, A Name to Conjure With

From the Facebook item Rebecca refers to:

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Of course, if it is not that, then it needs to contact the media and start doing press releases and hold public forums explaining how Serge has come from Shambhala to help mankind escape the fleshy shackles of this pathetic, sickly, illusion filled sad and pathetic life and elevate us into the fiery plan..urgently.

SB is one of many who have created some version of a Shambhala salvation story.

According to a scholars of Buddhism and Indian/Tibetan history, the original Shambala story likely arose in an historical context: the fear and anxiety created by collapse of Buddhist societies in the north Indian subcontinent during successive Muslim invasions, from 711 CE into the 11 and 12 th Centuries CE.

Creating the Shambhala redemption story was a way to cope with the anxieties.

[www.berzinarchives.com]


However, this Shambhala story has had a powerful history and the myth has been used to arouse the energies fears and hopes of people by many successive leaders, both religious and political.

[www.newdawnmagazine.com]

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On his way across the wastes of Mongolia in 1921, Polish writer and refugee Ferdinand Ossendowski witnessed some strange behaviour on the part of his Mongol guides. Stopping their camels in the middle of nowhere, they began to pray in great earnestness while a strange hush fell over the animals and everything around. The Mongols later explained that this ritual happened whenever “the King of the World in his subterranean palace prays and searches out the destiny of all people on Earth.”1

From assorted lamas, Ossendowski learned that this King of the World was ruler of a mysterious, but supposedly very real, kingdom, “Agharti.” In Agharti, he was told, “the learned Panditas [masters of Buddhist arts and sciences] write on tablets of stone all the science of our planet and of the other worlds.”2 Whoever gained access to the underground realm would have access to incredible knowledge – and power.
Ossendowski was not exactly a casual listener. As noted in a previous article [The “Bloody” Baron von Ungern-Sternberg: Madman or Mystic?, New Dawn No. 108 (May-June 2008)], during 1921 he would become a key adviser to “Mad Baron” Roman von Ungern-Sternberg who established a short-lived regime in the Outer Mongolian capital of Urga.3 A self-proclaimed warrior Buddhist who dreamed of leading a holy war in Asia, the Baron allegedly tried to contact the “King of the World” in hopes of furthering his scheme.
Ossendowski’s credibility later was assailed by the likes of Swedish explorer Sven Hedin.4 Among other things, Hedin accused the Pole of plagiarising the story of Agarthi from an earlier work by French esotericist Joseph Alexandre St.-Yves d’Alveydre.5 To one extent or another, that probably was true, but Hedin, a veteran seeker after lost cities, did not dismiss the possibility of a hidden Kingdom; indeed, he likely harboured the aim of finding it himself.
In any event, Ossendowski did not invent the story of a fabulous land secreted somewhere in – or under – the vastness of Central Asia, be it called Agharti, Agarttha, Shangri-la, or, most commonly, Shambhala.6 Some believed it to be a physical, subterranean realm inhabited by an ancient, advanced race, while to others it was a spiritual dimension accessible only to the enlightened. The Shambhala legend is firmly grounded in Buddhist tradition which vaguely puts the Kingdom somewhere to the north of India. The legend also proclaimed that a time would come when the King of Shambhala and his mighty hosts would come forth to vanquish evil and usher in a golden age guided by pure Dharma. As noted, Baron von Ungern-Sternberg envisioned himself as the initiator of this “Shambhala War.” So would others.

The tantalising possibility of a hidden trove of advanced knowledge and technical know-how did not just pique the curiosity of explorers and occultists. The practical advantages to be gained by accessing and exploiting such knowledge was not lost on certain politicians and intelligence officers, above all in Soviet Russia. But whatever attracted the attention of the Bolsheviks was bound to draw British curiosity as well, and where both those powers were concerned, the Americans, Germans and Japanese were unlikely to be far behind.

This article focuses on the activities of three men, two Russians and one American: Aleksandr Vasil’evich Barchenko, the so-called “Bolshevik professor of the occult,” the artist-mystic-explorer Nicholas Roerich, and the man often cited as the real-life model for Indiana Jones, Roy Chapman Andrews. While, so far as can be told, none of the trio ever met, all were involved with expeditions roaming the deserts of Mongolia and the high valleys of the Himalayas in search of lost civilisation and ancient man. In the case of Barchenko and Roerich, the specific object was Shambhala. As we will see, these explorations were only the tip of a clandestine iceberg of intrigue and hidden agendas which included secret societies and a host of spies. Just who was doing what for whom – and why – remains uncertain.

For the rest of the article, read here:

[www.newdawnmagazine.com]

Lots use Shambala as a brand name, too.

[www.google.com]

Thanks Corboy, as always, for some amazing research.

This site, the regular, loving, kind and intelligent bloggers who have for quite some time now been trying to get honest answers as to why their 'loved'......I repeat 'loved' ones (yes rebecca we do know love) have turned into what appears from our perspective to be very unloving, judgemental people, shadows of their former selves in every way.

I am very happy to also welcome Rebecca08 and see gillweir back(?) but sadly have to agree with KIK, "I,m not buying it". The very fact that rebecca is upset because we have read the Facebook UM site is perplexing, 'it wasn't meant for us', rebecca facebook is meant for anyone in the world to read! I am just wondering where your anger is coming from, there must be an area of lovelessness towards your self?

I once heard Serge say that facebook was "verbal pornography" has that now changed too, or hadn't you realized that?

I have another question rebecca, why the need to defend Serge? The act of defending someone in essence disempowers them, what are you afraid of?

To all the UM devotees who read this site and there are obviously a worrying amount now for Serge, what if he is the one that is wrong, what if you have been part of a giant money making hoax?

I don't and can't spend this lifetime feeling guilty for my past lifetimes or the ones to come, I can only be the very best human being I can be in THIS lifetime. I try to do daily acts of random kindnesses, I try not to judge the hundreds of other religions in the world as being 'less' than mine and I try (not always successfully) to not be a judgemental person in general. I don't see that happening with UM followers.

When I see that UM becomes a loving and accepting religion then I will convert.

Quick suggestion:

If replying to someone else's post, best way is to cite the parts one is responding to in quotes. That helps distinguish someone's quoted material from the reply.

gee up is a short phrase for "giddy up" formerly used to spur horses to a gallop. Now in some places, its used to rouse people to greater effort.

Dictionary definitions of gee up

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To all the UM devotees who read this site and there are obviously a worrying amount now for Serge, what if he is the one that is wrong, what if you have been part of a giant money making hoax?

I don't and can't spend this lifetime feeling guilty for my past lifetimes or the ones to come, I can only be the very best human being I can be in THIS lifetime. I try to do daily acts of random kindnesses, I try not to judge the hundreds of other religions in the world as being 'less' than mine and I try (not always successfully) to not be a judgemental person in general. I don't see that happening with UM followers.

When I see that UM becomes a loving and accepting religion then I will convert.

Hi Treefern, you hit the nail on the head. I cannot imagine why it is in anyway important to try to consider lives that may or may not have happened and/or may or may not happen in the future, when this one is happening right now. I have heard that over and over again from my former partner and other UM'ers and frankly I equate to the saying 'you're reward in heaven will be great' which these days is used as sarcasm when someone is doing something for which there is no obvious reward, now or later. So to Students I warn ' your reward in heaven will be great!'

It saddens me to think that people doing 'the work' will one day wake up and realise that Serge is deluded charlatan- and that day will come sooner or later- and all the time they have spent in their frotress of ideas, cut off from the wonders of their emotional life and thier intellects, in favour of some dark and fearful doctrine that they think is about love- when real love is all about them and they are not partaking. That day will feel terrible I am sure. How much will they be prepared to unwind and lose? how long will it take? One thing is for certain- no one will be judging them except themselves, because for those who truly love are not judgemental..

I am not talking without experience either. I was in a cult many years back. At the time I did not realise it- I felt wonderful, more alive, more integrated. more serene, with a sense of purpose. I felt like i had cosmic goggles and could see the fabric of existence. And while I felt a connection with all mankind like I never had, the way I interacted with them ( though I could not see it at the time) was quite the opposite. Like UM, there was a charsmatic type leader, a confused doctrine, past and future lives, karma, astral planes, entities... then one day I was reading the books and suddenly they seemed dark and dreary. All my friends had been asking me where my humour had gone and why I was so judgemental and holier than thou- many had stopped calling- I suddenly realised I had isolated myself in a tower of ideas- nothing else- and that it was fear not love that was stopping me from seeing the truth of it... I probably carried the ideas with me in some way or another for over a decade before I totally abandoned them with an ephiphany...

...Humans like to construct meaning. That is the nature of religion and culture. it gives us a sense of pupose, rational, logic to what otherwise might be a meaningless and brief existence. It is hard to admit that you dont know anything, and that there are more questions than answers. Your average human works from second and third hand information, ideas given to them ( like religion, ethics, roles) and from that they construct their own meaning- their own raison d'etre. We're also lazy. If someone can hand it to you, or seems convinced in their construct, then we will be pursuaded that theirs is better than ours, and work out ways to make it right. If a group of people seemt to approve of it, even if there is things not resonating with us- we are more likely to accept it. This is why the Buddha said the path to enlightement is narrow and not many have the wherewithal or self honesty to tread its course.

There is a test you can use to see if your construct it working for you, or keeping you locked away in a tower- Do you need to defend your ideas? Do you avoid information that is contrary to your cherised ideas or feel offended by them? Is there a fear that stops you exploring other ideas/thoughts/motivations you have? If Yes, then you are simply in a construct. The more intense any of these things are, the more potent it is.

Any person that seems to have all the answers on any subject and on any details, who never concedes a lack of knowledge, is surely locked away in the biggest and darkest tower of self-ignorance. If there is doubt, apply the test above to the leaders doctrine and observe the inbuilt defenses against the fabric of its construct.

Students, we wait- and invite you- to the day when you can rejoin us in the dazzling and beautiful light of the real and unconstructed world.

COncerned Partner I'm awestruck by your beautiful message.

You have put words to our thoughts and shown an insight that is both kind and loving but also very compassionate, thank you.

I know that Serge offers in some part what we all crave, kindness, gentleness and loving relationships, who wouldn't be attracted to that in our lives? However the price the UM devotees pay, not only financially but mentally and physically, is way too high and you have clearly and lovingly explained the difference.

Any one human being who openly encourages mass book burnings, who discourages open debate and judges people "not doing the work" as lesser human beings would in some countries on the planet be considered a Dictator.

'Information is Power'

If Serge is a true master and is pure love, I ask one question. Why does this forum bother him?. Would he not feel just feel love and compassion for us? Or is this not how UM works? Please excuse my ignorance as I always assumed a true enlightened being doesn't worry about what anyone else is thinking of them as they know who they really are and the truth of that. This is not a sacastic question but one that I would like answered. If intention is the all importance of UM then why the money? (obviously I can't get my head around the money thing)

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If Serge is a true master and is pure love, I ask one question. Why does this forum bother him?. Would he not feel just feel love and compassion for us? Or is this not how UM works? Please excuse my ignorance as I always assumed a true enlightened being doesn't worry about what anyone else is thinking of them as they know who they really are and the truth of that. This is not a sacastic question but one that I would like answered. If intention is the all importance of UM then why the money? (obviously I can't get my head around the money thing)

Well Said!

It was initally the money thing that caused my husband to question UM. Once the seed of doubt has been planted, it opens up cracks which have been forming for quite some time. There are a lot of us that can't get their heads around the money issue lifetruetome, you are in good company.