dharmabum Wrote:
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> Pam Ho, I do not know you personally, I have no
> interest in your views and I despise your role as
> a mouthpiece or an advocate for cults. Is this an
> attack? Absolutely not. You are everywhere, with
> the same repertoire: cults are just as the same as
> any religion. That’s fine and is within your
> freedom to espouse what you believe in. Hey,
> it’s a free country. But do not play the
> “victim” card when people dispute your woowoos
> – this is a public forum based on freedom of
> speech. Nobody gets a free pass here.
>
> You seem to be a very articulate person and have
> invested a lot of lifetime in the cult. I fail to
> see why would a free society welcome your advocacy
> – they are diametrically opposed to one another.
> The value of “free market of ideas” is to
> discuss openly everything under the sun within
> reason. There is no way a cultic authority of
> thought will have a place in a modern and free
> society. Either you are of the former or of the
> latter, never both. You claim to have left the
> cult and seem to have accumulated vast knowledge
> of the “unrealities” of a cult, specifically
> Krishna/Vaishnava theology. I don’t doubt that
> – socially, yes; but psychologically? You’re
> still very much in the cult, and remain
> complicit.
>
> My next question is – what is your true
> motivation speaking for the cult? Here, knowing
> that the premise of this forum is: Cult by
> definition and practice is bad. Whatever your
> arguments are, pass that, are irrelevant, or are
> “off-topic”. If you can argue why cults are
> not a menace to society and a threat to all
> decent-living families, only then can we talk
> about why should we stop concerning ourselves with
> Tulsi, yoga and other misleading tools Chris
> Butler obviously using to surreptitiously insert
> your “values” upon uninformed public?
>
> I’m not sure if you have a family or understand
> what it is like to have one – what is it like to
> be disowned by; what does it feel like; what is a
> biological bond; or in what context do you define
> what love really is? Like the “people” you
> advocate for, to tell Rama, Lalita, Radhika, the
> gurukuli children to suck it up, you are not your
> body, tough luck, lick up, move on … I really
> doubt you do, or ever will. You need help.

If you read my book you will see I am against gurus, not against them in the traditional sense of a a guru where the guru is defined solely as a teacher, but against worship of and treatment of gurus as anything more then how you would treat a professor in college class. So how does that jive with your determination that I am a cultist? Because I still promote the teachings of the ancient traditions? By that account any Hindu is a cultist by your definition and therefore since "cult" by definition is bad by your account, therefore all Hindus are cultists and therefore all bad.

[Moerator note: Please refrain from linking your book over and over again]

My free eBook: [monsterhotelkrishnaconsciousness.blogspot.com]



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Vox~
Apparently chocolate has 4% cockroach parts in the pods so can not really be considered vegetarian. So how is it that followers can cannibalistic-ally consider guru toenails vegetarian? Isn't this against one of the 4 regulative principals!? LOL!

Corboy and all interested parties ~

The full PDF text is found here:
The Hindus: An Alternative History by Wendy Doniger

Scroll down to download.

VoxVeritas wrote:

Requiem for a Troll.

"Let’s pay our respects and move on, here folks...nothing here worth seeing...."these aren’t the droids you are looking for....”

When a big distractor shows up, always recall what was published and discussed
before the distractor appeared.

[forum.culteducation.com]

[forum.culteducation.com]

and this

[forum.culteducation.com]

Before Mme Ho re-appeared, we were .talking about YouTube videos and various teachings that CB gave via YouTube.

Children raised within Butler World had to listen to this stuff.

Their devotee parents thought it a blessing to expose these young people to the obsessions
and ravings of this guy. If Butler were an ordinary citizen applying for a job as a janitor for a nursery school and a hiring committee found these videos online, he'd be refused that janitor's job.

At the very least.

But anyone with an obsession can become a guru if he or she takes time to
learn the necessary methods of persuasion, crowd management and studies
US tax law as it applies to religious non profits.

Meanwhile, this creature who has not been seen in public for years has a protégé who has become a US Congresswoman!

(Metaphor alert)

It was during these discussions that Mme Ho re-appeared, like
Paris Hilton jumping onto the field during a Major League game, throwing
Chihuahuas right and left.

The bases were already loaded, and much time was lost chasing Chihuahuas instead of keeping an eye on the ball.

My modest proposal is this:

Madame Ho is a colorful personality.

We can if we wish, discuss Mme Ho's drama, her rhetoric, her tendentious apologetics and possible motivations on a separate discussion thread.

here.

A smaller ball park than here, but one still accessible by Google.

It is here. Waiting like a catcher's mitt.

Madame Ho's First Amendment rights will be well served here.

And don't forget the much less demanding
venue offered by Hawaii's Civil Beat.

Meanwhile, here on the original Butler Ball Park, this important, major
league discussion continues.

Customers of Butler's bhakti businesses and the voters of Hawaii can examine Butler's You Tube videos and continue to discuss them here
in this big time ball park.

Meanwhile, we can continue offering new discoveries about Butler's World

Voters of the Second District, voters of America:

You pay your taxes or at least file returns.

Chris Butler amassed wealth because secular taxpayers -- you -- indirectly
subsidized him.

For decades.

You want someone like this to succeed as a political powerbroker?

Especially when this dude, Butler, despises you?

Considers you inferior creatures due to our bad karma?

You pay taxes; Butler's religious empire does not.

He considers you inferior but lets you support him.



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Yes, Hinduism is the worst religion; No, I will not touch your book. But even if I explain why, I doubt if you will ever get it. Snap out, Pam Ho, then you'll understand that life is beautiful, if you allow humanity to get back into yourself and feel what it is like to relate to your fellow human being -- until then, your vested knowledge is nothing.



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Now back to: Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler, and his Manchurian Candidate, Tulsi Gabbard.

Corboy states:
“ Meanwhile, we can continue offering new discoveries about Butler's World

Voters of the Second District, voters of America:

You pay your taxes or at least file returns.
Chris Butler amassed wealth because secular taxpayers -- you -- indirectly
subsidized him.
For decades.
You want someone like this to succeed as a political powerbroker?

Especially when this dude, Butler, despises you?

Considers you inferior creatures due to our bad karma?
You pay taxes; Butler's religious empire does not.
He considers you inferior but lets you support him."


Voters of the 2nd Congressional District of Hawaii:
Why would you vote for a person who is the front person/face/representative for a misogynistic and homophobic meglomaniacal cult leader?

A vote for Tulsi Gabbard is a vote for Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler

This is not about bashing someone’s religion.
This does not fall under Freedom of Religion principles.
Tulsi Gabbard can claim to be a Hindu or a Martian, for all that it matters.

This IS about deceit, this IS about obfuscation of the reasons Tulsi Gabbard sought political office since the beginning.

In this highly secretive and destructive cult of Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler one has to SURRENDER to him, to to HIS bidding,
no matter what it is.

Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler in the past has already shown to what devious lengths he will sink to, to make sure his political puppets win elections.
Witness the debacle of Sen Inouye’s senatorial run and Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler blatant attempt to discredit a sitting senator and WW2 veteran, so that HIS political puppet at the time, Rick reed could be elected.

We also mentioned Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler
hatred of homosexuals many times on this forum.
At one time, Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler
ordered his slave/devotees to disguise themsleves as homosexuals and to infiltrate the gay clubs in Honolulu to gather intel for Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler to be used in an anti-homosexuality campaign he was formulating. This included secret audio & visual recordings.

The following excerpt from his self-published booklet “Homosexuality" is tame in comparison to what the devotees/slaves were subjected to in his lectures, where he would detail in very explicit terms what homosexuals did to one another.
How did he know this?



Excerpt:

Quote: "QUESTION: So if a person has more female hormones due to his desires to enjoy as a female, is he destined to be homosexual?
JAGAD GURU: No, You have to appreciate how this internal condition needs external stimulus to bring it to the forefront. In other words, you will usually find that an active homosexual was at one point a latent homosexual who did not need to get into it. But if the environment and social situation promotes homosexuality, then this internal condition is easily set into motion.
Unfortunately, so-called modern society is increasingly providing the unwanted stimulus for people to become homosexuals. Through social acceptance of perverted homosexual activities, including the establishment and proliferation of homosexual nightclubs and saunas, society itself is making it so that more and more people are becoming homosexuals.
The media is especially guilty of encouraging people who were not homosexuals before to become active homosexuals by propagating the idea that homosexuality is a normal and acceptable occurrence.” End quote.

Welcome to the hate-filled world of Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler who now holds the strings attached to his latest political puppet, Tulsi Gabbard.

Voters of Hawaii: Butler considers you inferior creatures due to your bad karma.
You pay taxes; Butler's religious empire does not.
He considers you inferior but lets you support him.

You are here to SERVE him.
Tulsi Gabbard is here to SERVE him.

I am sure many of you have seen those cartoons which depict our congresspeople plastered in corporate logos to denote who really own them, lock, stock and barrel?

Take a good hard look at Tulsi and you will see her with this name plastered
all over:
Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler

This thread on this forum is not about the bashing of one’s religion, nor is it about race.

It is about electing an honest politician that will serve her constituents under the guiding principles of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Now that she has acknowledged that this “guru” is her spiritual master, there is no room for our (and your) Constitution. [www.youtube.com]



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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdlW9WaPMeogNQYKO0jYiUg/videos

starring: Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa - Chris Butler

Trigger Warning. The following videos may trigger PTSD in some former Butler followers. Here is the link Vox just posted.Chris Butler Video Link

Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa -- repeat three times, quickly.

It never hurts to revisit older material.

[forum.survey.net]

"Gatherings of followers typically take place in parks or on a beach."

This keeps overhead low. Remember Tulsi Gabbard's wedding?



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This CEI message board is the primary information source for rescuing children and young adults from the abuse of this destructive cult.

Flash wrote in 2012
What are the child abuse laws in Hawaii? Has anyone witnessed Chris Butler or cult parents hypnotizing those under 18 years of age? How is that any different from giving kids alcohol or drugs and aren’t young people easy prey and hurt the most by this form of suggestion? Could a child in therapy reveal the truth of what was done to them prior to being brainwashed and then told to forget what happened? If the press reported on a priest hypnotizing young parishioners, the public would be outraged.

dharmabum wrote in 2010: Adults have every right to choose beliefs they want to belong to no matter how stupid they are, but the children are often times involved in cults not by choice. The Science of Identity boarding school in La Union, Philippines, disguised as a legitimate private school, where children of Haribol parents from around the world are sent to for indoctrination, operate under the noses of the Philippine Government. It's time that this archaic and manipulative system of religious cults be looked into by grassroots organizations or human rights watch dogs.

Vera wrote in 2013
...the former members I am connected with did not neglect their kids. They got them OUT! I still believe that the TRUTH outed is the purpose of this forum. I am well aware that it pisses off people in the cult. Let the truth stew within these kids even if it pisses them off. It may free a couple. The stories, the history, the modus operandi needs to be told in the RAW.

Flash

Systematic Child Abuse in the Cult of Butler