LOL!.......and it is with that pre conceived opinion of AA that you make your un bias assessment?????? LOL! AA, meet the secular humanist revolt! QuoteI feel that the big book is seriously flawed, as were the founders of AA. Hundreds of thousands of AA groups and Millions of recovered alcoholics smile at you with humility and compassionately ask, " did you say something about egot
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Barbara, If you could for a moment take note of what I think is a fundamental misunderstanding in our disagreement about AA. In principle what I keep hearing you criticize is ( AA the program) and not drawing an important distinction between the behavior of individuals who go to AA and the 12 steps, 12 traditions etc. I've been to crappy AA meetings, I've known of people who go t
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There are misrepresentation in Barbs post. QuoteMany people say, in AA, that "any day sober is a good day", (no matter what else they did or did not do) . Many also say, frequently, that "AA is a selfish program". The part in blue is blatantly false! Whenever I have heard the term "any day sober is a good day" the context is generally a supportive statement for on
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QuoteIndieQueenI'm sure I'll get raked over the coals for this one, but so be it. I'll stand up and say that AA ruined my childhood. My father has been in and out of AA for years. He learned very early on through meetings to use his drinking as a means to control us. He'd threaten to start drinking again every time a problem came up. That was dad's way of shutting u
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MERIA Middle East Review of International Affairs Volume 5, No. 4 - December 2001 the islamic fundamentalist view of life as a perennial battle By David Zeidan This article analyzes how radical Islamist movements have altered traditional Islamic concepts to justify their worldview. Based on the writings of prominent radical Islamist leaders across a wide spectrum, it analy
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QuoteBurgoI Got CAUGHT Up In The UB & Ended Up Tearing Up My Bible. This Book Totally Screwed My Knowledge Of Jesus. The Michael Factor For One & The Many Michaels On The Other. I Hate Religion But I Love Jesus, He Saved My Life...The UB ****ed It. A Book Written By Man Through Transmissions From Beings I Have Never Heard Of, I Live On Earth...Bugger Urantia & The Midw
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The Church of God of the Abrahamic Faith (COGAF) is a religious group that is closely linked with the Christadelphians. The group first came into existence in the 1860's, when fourteen "obedient ones," as they termed themselves, established a congregation in Cleveland, Ohio. This initial body of believers came into existence under the leadership of Mark Allen, originally from Wobu
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First Century Patterns TheChristadelhian.org The Christadelphians are a small religious body who have attempted to get back to the faith and character of the early Christian church. We have been in existence for nearly 150 years. The name "Christadelphians" comes from two Greek words and means "brothers in Christ". Col 1v2, Heb 2v11 We are located in many countries
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Christadelphian religion cont: Doctrines to be Rejected Reject 1. That the Bible is only partly the work of inspiration--or if wholly so, contains errors which inspiration has allowed. Reject 2. That God is three persons. Reject 3. That the Son of God was co-eternal with the Father. Reject 4. That Christ was born with a 'free life.' Reject 5. That Christ's na
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Dr. Thomas Life Work., founder of the Christadelphian Movement. Bible Truth Discusion Forum (Christadelphian promotional front)
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Hi chaupil, I'm quite familiar with the Christadelphian movement. I've been debating theology with them for about 2 years. I will provide a link which (in my personal opinion) summarizes the CA's well. "The Christadelphian belief system was founded by John Thomas about the year 1848. He was an English physician who immigrated from England to the United States. Orig
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QuotebarabaraAll you have to do is delete the double post. It goes away. You certainly seem to have a deep resentment against the therapeutic community. Most of the therapists I have known work in charity situations and do so for free, or a very reasonable salary (under $30,000/annum). But yes, there do seem to be those who are more concerned with profit. That really doesn't have muc
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Therapists, psychologists and substance abuse councillors can also be quite possessive of their clients and the theory that alcoholics and drug addicts can be "educated" out of addiction. What we see is the EGO's of the therapists getting "tweaked" a little bit just as religions do by the fact that the 12 steps have been able to do something that they cannot. AA has even
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This is an excellent list to consider for anyone who feels they are involved in an unhealthy AA group or self proclaimed "guru" type of AA "know it all." By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. No tolerance for questions or crit
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Quotemaggieblue"Picture yourself 5 years down the road after you have gotten the lay of the land, so to speak, and learned how to work your particular group efficiently. " Ha! What a joke - that just doesn't happen. People in AA are very difficult in fact - they all think they know everything and are special people - they are self-centered ego maniacs working to stay sober. An A
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Barbera, You may be right I me still be a little immature. I'm not a spokesman for AA nor do we have any, I'm just one person with a lifetime of experience in the program. To me AA is a sacred place. Some of the behaviors that you have described are shameful and a betrayal to AA principles. People who are into that kind of immorality generally don't stay sober. Over the years
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QuotebarabaraWhat does that have to do with what I just wrote? There are predators in AA, and newcomers are told to surrender, and to trust the other AA members. Women get preyed upon more than men. What does what I wrote have to do with cults, the opinions of those who have written here, or belief in God? No, that's not true at least not in any of the thousands of AA meetings t
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QuotebarabaraAfter following this thread for a long time, I have noticed a definite trend; Most of the men (here) seem to adore AA, most of the women seem to hate it. What could this mean? Is it possible that women experience the most predation and damaging effects from their involvement in AA? Open your eyes. Well, AA will ruin your drinking but in my case ( I am a man) I can'
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QuoteGulab JamonColter, I'm very happy that AA has worked for you. I am aware that it has worked for millions of people. But AA does NOT work for EVERYONE. Why can't you just admit the fact that not everyone responds fits into the AA mold and not everyone responds well to that particular type of program? Hi Gulab, I do not recall being asked that question so I'm not sure
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If AA is a cult, it is a wonderful cult. If AA is a fraud it is a wonderful fraud that has tricked me into 21 years of continuous sobriety, a wife of 16 years, 3 beautiful children, my own company, serenity, spiritual freedom, freedom of religious thought, healed relationships with family, self esteem, self respect, physical and physiological health and more. If AA is a cult it's not a
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QuoteCipherColter: Is the UB a channeled document? How have you verified what you believe to be the truth contained there in? If you read the entire thread about Higherforces, Tom and Isis Ringrose then you will know that the Gathering is the name of their community. Also there is a link to a community resource web page in which they have a listing. Please post about your experiences
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QuoterrmoderatorThere are also atheists in AA. I have known a few, and they say the higher power for them is not defined. Hi RR, Yes there are and they are welcome, accepted and loved. An Athiest has just as much right to a seat in AA as anyone else. The principle of AA that I think is critical is that the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. Most religio
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I had a spiritual expieriance April 26th 1985. I mark today the 28th as my official sobriety date. I'll spare you the story since this forum is designed to trash the good work that AA has done for millions of recovering alcoholics. I had no hope and then I had hope.........and I still have hope, the light of Gods presense is still alive in me and I share that with the hopeless alcohol
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Bonnie wrote: QuoteWell, I don't really have any hopes of changing the mind of a "true believer". Hell, I was almost one myself, once upon a time. spinnerofthread wrote: QuoteHis response is that of a true believer-- his mind probably won't change (not that i think that it is useless to try.) Oh the hypocrisy! You have both just said that you want to "chang
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Bonnie, Have you not read the AA manual, the Book Alcoholics anonymous? Sex problems and alcoholics may be news to the Guardian but they shouldn't be to anyone who's been in AA and worked the program. Self centerdness is the core of the alcoholic sickness. We are addicted to all things pleasurable, or at least we manage to abuse most of them, nicotine, caffeine, food, sex, money
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QuoteYou state with a certain degree of conviction that the "professionals" are "jealous" of AA for curing alcoholics? Where the devil did you come up with that one? Are medical professionals immune to Jealousy? Medicine had NO solution for alcoholics when AA came around. They could only put them in asylums. Dr. Carl Young in Switzerland is accredited by Bill Wi
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QuoteColterBonnie, I posted the definition of "cult" because what I see happening all over society is that every movement that some other group does not like is labeled in the pejorative "a cut." The Roman Catholic Church did it with Protest-ant-ism, The Israelites did it to Jesus, all the Hebrew prophets were persecuted as crack pots, under the laws of Moses anyone who got
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Bonnie, I posted the definition of "cult" because what I see happening all over society is that every movement that some other group does not like is labeled in the pejorative "a cut." The Roman Catholic Church did it with Protest-ant-ism, The Israelites did it to Jesus, all the Hebrew prophets were persecuted as crack pots, under the laws of Moses anyone who got out of lin
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Hi concerned mom, I've been studying the Urantia Book for 20+ years as well as the origins of the Book, related movements, controversies, cults stemming from the readership etc. Aside from related groups of "communal/spiritual" types the UB is harmless in my educated opinion. There is however one cult in Sadona Arizona that is populated with UB readers.This is a very
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