Well with these lunatics anything is possible. I somehow doubt that they would hide this. They love the glorification of butler too much. They also know that the sheep will run to the seniors such as midgett, bellord, tibby. The SoI ship will not sink so easily. The demigods of SoI are ready to jump in and save the day. Even if he leaves, wailana will keep her pure devotee statues. People
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Why would they hide the disappearance? Are they afraid people would suddenly stop slaving for wailana? I have doubts about it. You think they will not glorify the disappearance of their idol and let him leave this in secret? Hide the passing of the founder of the cult of personality? It would be a great loss to have this expert virologist leave during a pandemic. After all we spent all our
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Listen I am not an atheist. I entered this reality with the god program engraved into me. Not that it was injected in me by my family. I was inherently attracted to a higher being. I know that something greater is operating this very complex truman show and we are all actors. Something does not add up. In all scriptures, god is always kicking the behind of the sinful. Be it invisibly like the
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What value has scripture when tulsi swears on it? Scripture has no value in a corrupt system. It is good for decoration. And what is the value of it when the brahmans who teach them do not have moral codes? Oh let me give a class in between few drug smuggling transactions and money laundering. I think the gita is also thick enough to protect butler from the imaginary bullets of his envious en
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As a person who has experienced the supernatural full blown, I will not dismiss you or think you are mentally ill. However know that it will be hard to make others believe your experiences without being labled. It is something only you can understand and have witnessed. Unless someone else was there.
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The fact that I suggest addressing them directly has a very valid purpose. From my experiences, in all my years of being with them, they never take responsibility. Every person that leaves, is because of Maya and their own offenses. Every suicide, drug addiction… is based on offenses and is used to glorify butler. One time I was under huge emotional abuse and I addressed the leader as well a
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Imagine if you found a friend, mate… and they came with 5000000 pages of manual and another person who tells you how to act and relate to these people? I am not sure many people would find it so attractive. Why is it that normal in this process. This is a very unique way to relate to divinity. Constantly under the microscope of other disciples and devotees who will judge your level of advanc
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I almost fell off my bed when I saw this short video. Wailana talks about rest and sleep. Something that does not exist in the dictionary of very surrendered souls. The hypocrisy is very real. No shame whatsoever. And what are these new stupid short videos about?
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I was told in this forum by a member that I should not encourage people to face the cult directly. How are thye going to understand and get it in their thick heads that their group is semo rotten, narcissists and full of demonic influences. You think they give one single damn that DEMONS such as us are tarnishing their reputation? They think that the fires of hell and Yamaraja are waiting for
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Thank you run forest run. Your story is too similar to Ian’s. Absolute madness. Truly unforgivable and traumatic. I will always apprecaite all of you in here for exposing the disgusting truth. Who told you about the details of the hashish business? I am very curious to know how so we know that top dogs were also involved? It is not just a rumor? I guess they never though internet would betr
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Run Forest Run, this is quite an adventure. This is uncredible. I did not know that some were going from one group to the other. I was so stupid I thought the only option was Iskcon. And besides at the time I was internally brainwashed. I did not even think of looking elsewhee. I just felt that this is as good as it gets. If you write a book about your experiences, I will for sure read it.
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Run Forest Run. Thanks for the article on the mantra. I am glad the article I shared helped. Could you please tell me a bit about your journey if you do not mind? If it is private I totally respect that. Sorry if you have already spoken about it. Just send me back to that post if this is the case. How was your experiences different at Iskcon versus SOI? How come you guys switched to SoI or
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We have been more virus and germ conscious than krishna conscious. I have a feeling that devotees will be encouarged to buy masks from the wailana store. Same way we bought all Yoga material from them. The fear of viruses was never about caring for devotees. It was about protecting the pure devotees. If uou got sick then you could not easily do your service to butler and stay awake till 3
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I tried to avoid the V subject in here. There has been some drama in regards to it few months ago. So I let it go. Best to avoid getting there. I guess it is more the paranoia and non sense I am interested in. The bird flu was almost like an end of the world scenario. Hoarding food for 6 months. Getting ready for the zombie appocalypse and house invasions. Sars was all about wearing masks wh
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Who has insiders in the cult right now? Or who are those who post here snd still have one foot in the cult! How are they managing the pandemic with the usual butler virus paranoia? They no longer can preach, gather…? How is life isn holy hell these day! The pandemic may have saved some souls from getting trapped in the butler net.
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This is only 18 pages but it is a very good article on the few important emotions. Ones we feel and that are used to control us in a vukt setting. It truly opened my eyes even more.
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Who said being a guru was easy. Why complain so much. Noone has forced anybody to take on these austerities. It is not the job of disciples to constantly protect pure devotees and make sure they do not walk on pins and glasses. Guru should not become such a center of drama and blaming game. They always say it is offensive to take a person’s focus off krishna. How is all the drama helping pe
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What is spiritual life really if one does not pay attention to scripture whatsoever? Jus looking at these few verses, it is clear where SoI stands. Many divine qualities are missing and some demonic qualities cruise around and destroy many souls. Fearlessness is the quality that has been mentioned first. What was the main emotion I felt during the years in the group? FEAR and at times terro
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Found some new material. Maybe not new to some in here. New to me. Giving credit to our brother Rama Ranson from posting these internal letters (from late 80’s) on FB. Absolutely mind blowing. At this point I think it is best to laugh at it all because it just feels like a very nasty joke.
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What attracted me to this path is the fact that it resonated with how I had felt my whole life. I do not consider myself truly brainwashed. I did not need a guru to tell me this place sucks. Even though many love it here, I have wanted to escape as long as I remember. So bhakti yoga was a good match for me. It validated my feeling so alien here. I had also always been attracted to monastic li
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The bottom line is that we are kept in total darkness. The only solace may be blind faith and accepting one of the religious programs that this reality offers us. It seems as though this reality is hard to handle without belief and faith. At the end of the day if one has to be on a spiritual crack 24/7, Krishna is still more pleasant and less boring than other religions and scriptures. A god
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Run Forest Run, I have not read the comments in here for a while. I just saw what you wrote about taking your daughter to the ashram. I had no idea you were dragged into this by your mother. I felt as though you entered the butler group as an adult as I did. I truly find it mind blowing how Krishna can get away with everything he does and make us beleive that whatever he does is pure, but fo
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I know that it is really tough to swallow red pills because going down the rabbit hole, connecting dots, critical thinking are very “life” shattering. The pull of the krishna consciousness is the strongest I have ever experienced and I get it why some cannot let go. As I have been living in a very hellish (by design) life since I left, there are days I still think of the good times, inner satis
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I ask myself a question. Is there truly hope for people who have developped such faith than they are willing to ingest a guru’s toenails with a glass of water that was used to wash their feet? Is this truly spiritual life? What a very strange system of worship? I think the gods have a very good sense of humor. But guess what? We can either play these stupid games in exchange for some bliss or
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I have written enough about butler, krishna and the cult. So I just wanted to share with the whole forum a sample of the shameful abuse that goes on in the cult. Please see the link at the end of the post. I know that not everybody reads the 800 pages written on him. This is the kitchen rules. Judge for yourselves. This is slavery in the name of service to guru and god. This man and his wife
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Just sharing interesting info as I find them time to time. I know many ex butler devotees in here think ACB was perfect. However he said a lot of very non sensical damaging things. This ex iskcon kid had the guts to say it as it is. Sorry to the Faithful Bhaktivedanta Followers too. I am not here to please anybody or handle people with velvet gloves. I only expose the not so pretty truth. No
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Just passing by to say I am truly sick to my stomach to see butler in tusli. I also wanted to share the full kitchen rules for all to see. It has triggered me to the max. Tulsi uses the same deceptions, charismatic and kind external shell. I do not doubt she is a good person. Just brainwashed since birth. I tried to red pill some people about her being handled by butler and who he really is
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I have been thinking a lot in the past weeks as to how I could not see through the madness of my covert cult: The science of identity. And a narcissistic, germaphobic, rather abusive guru (chris butler). How did a person like myself who has had such high BS detector end up in such setting. To put up with so much fear and coertion? How could so many Iskcon devotees be misled by the wolves in sa
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Run Forest Run, Everybody in that cult has built their identity around K consciousness. Not only the mentally ill and those who have a history of trauma. Of course their identity is built around it. We are told that our identity is eternal loving servant of Krishna. The cult is full of extremely sane, talented, no past trauma people who hold very good jobs. They were still brainwashed and me
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I seriously think that this whole thing is messed up as hell. Those deities are not what they seem to be. They watch a low life like butler ruin their reputation and make so many suffer. For 40 god damn years and plus. But they get on my back and try everything they can to turn me into ashes? A person who has tried to be service to others and be righteous as much as possible. I let you imag
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