QuotePninaruthI've had little problem saying who I am and why I'm on here. This is because they can't do anything to me. I was rape. I was beaten. It was made to feel that I was worth nothing inside the "Family" and the outsiders were beneath me. What more are they going to do? Why is everyone scared? Really I want an answer. Is there something I'm missing? Hate to b
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PARANOIA How Paranoia was taught in psychology 101 Very funny actually. My teacher ( a gazillion years ago) introduced the subject this way. He asked what we students would do if we were counsillors and a man came into our office for the first time and said ''shut the windows...quick...they followed me...they're watching''. He waited for all of us to give some psy
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I sometimes am puzzled by posts which I read that don't add up. I don't go into emotional tizzies. There is a SEARCH button at the top of this screen. Rather than allowing single posts to ''push my buttons'' ... I click onto the SEARCH button and type in the name of a poster/author. Then I try to piece together what I'm reading. Again this can be puzzling a
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Quotejustagirljh........... How do I explain the power these people have over others? This girl, me, all of us, we were born into this thing. Our whole families were members. Our entire families, our support system, were members. there was noone else. No where else to go. ...................... =========================================================================== Right. I wonder abou
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QuotePninaruthHey long time Jack victim, first time writing. May I ask what everyone is so paranoid about? These people have no power, no control, no balls. Why are so many of you fearing retribution? =========================================================================== Right. You are so right. . I'm no longer part of the group and don't know what exactly goes on. But m
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QuotejustagirljhOk. I wasn't going to write. But I feel as though I should. I am/was a youth. I am no longer a part of things. But I was, for my whole life. I am surprised by the accounts of abuse in this group. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am. I witnessed something a long time ago, but I believed it was isolated to this person/family. I still do not belkieve that there is systemic abus
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Frank, Amen! =========================================================================== Also, Here's a post from Miruta which I thought seemed relevant. They had written.... QuotemirutaI can't believe that I have found this forum more than I can believe I first experienced JH's group years ago. I was never family or a member. But I was deeply in love with o
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Frank, Amen. Amen, amen, amen =========================================================================== Here's something else really beautiful from another poster. They wrote ......,,, QuotemirutaI can't believe that I have found this forum more than I can believe I first experienced JH's group years ago. I was never family or a member. But I was deeply in
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I'm aware of two incidents involving Gary and boys. I'm thinking they were both legally of age. Originally I remembered the first boy being groomed by Gary at age 15. Now I'm thinking he was 17. And I think the special meeting took place on his 18th birthday. This happened in 1980. Before the article. I only know that the young man was so thrilled and elated to be hand picked
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Pnina, My mom was/is quite the sicko. In that respect you may be onto something.
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LIGHTDANCER 7 POSTED QuoteLightdancer7OK this is really getting out of hand. ............................ I know Exfollower, know Pequagirl and it makes me sick that people who are actually seeking more info on this sick cult or wanting to expose this sick group are BEING BEATEN UP by the very people (ie Sallie and now Mygoodname)they are trying to have a dialogue with over this.
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People warn others about deception. A person might say ''don't join a pyramid scheme'' or ''don't go to that meditation center'' or ''That stroller is poorly made...don't buy it''. Here's what I'm saying... I'm saying there's a lot of ''dialogue'' going on by people wanting
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QuoteexfollowerQuoteMy Good NamePequagirl is a troll. I gave this person who is probably a fat middle aged man my name and told her things and she leaked it to Gary! Do not trust this person under any circumstance. I thought Sallie was paranoid, but I think she is sometimes right. Be very careful. These people are creating trolls to trap victims and to keep tabs on them. There are some tr
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The open letter is very funny. The article about the group's history is not the same as the open letter. The article about the group's history mentions very specific drugs. It didn't come off as comical to me. I think it was written as fact. In fact...Maincooncat....you are also stating that there were drug users...maybe not LSD but other drugs? What other drugs? If this group
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The 1975 article ''Charismatics alive and Well'' actually quotes Jack Hickman stating that he was not charismatic. I think this is correct. I remember this ''born again'' phase. Jack would talk down about charismatics. He said they lived ''off the froth'' like...the foam that comes up off of a wave. That's what Jack Hickman woul
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The open letter was very funny but....The ''history'' part of this article says '' Jack had one service on Sundays for the crowd that was younger and in many cases on drugs (not necessarily at the services). This was the 1970’s after all. Our parents did copious amounts of drugs. Marijuana, LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, cocaine, heroine, alcohol, pharmaceuti
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Exfollower, Well then you need to seriously re-think. You HUNG OUT WITH JACK AND GARY DURING THOSE EARLY YEARS. YOU WOULD PERPETUATE THAT BELIEF THAT HE IS A ''NICE GUY'' TO YOUNG PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING BETTER.? You had the unique pleasure of seeing how the ''boys'' acted together. I have some insight into this but much of the puzz
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Disillusioned, You are right. You are right about everything that you've experienced as far as I can tell. In fact I would guess that your perspective about this group is way better than mine and I agree that people will come at this from different perspectives. I'm suspicious of this article. I'm not suspicious because of my insight or emotional maturity. I'm su
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Darlene is Gary Coons' sister. Richie Green left the cult. He posted about Darlene Then Brainwashed who says he was a ''youth'' of the cult writes this........ He writes that Gary's sister Darlene.... [...] Darlene doesnt have a shred of involvement in the community so your powerful political move would have gotten you nowhere near the power structure. Did y
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Exfollower, Fawn? Was that one of Jack's mastiffs? Ok, you say you used to hang out with Jack in small groups. Sometimes just you and Jack? In 1981 when the article came out Gary was about 21. So you ''hung out'' with Jack during his honeymoon phase with Gary. They were newly involved. Poor Lou was being pushed aside. You didn't know any of that? You '&
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Jack is dead Gary is alive Wouldn't it suit Gary Coons' needs if anyone interested in his story or history, believed he was always innocent in all things? What if we believed that Gary began as a young man who was too innocent to do wrong? Then we believed that he innocently thought Jack was harmless because of Jack's physical impotence. What if we believed that during the years
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So this AMAZINGLY DISCOVERED ARTICLE article says that between 1983 and 1996 Jack and Gary.... '' spent many of these years in Colorado and eventually moved to California....... In the midst of this period, Jack’s slovenly lifestyle and poor eating habits caused him to have a heart attack. While in the hospital, Jack had several life saving medical procedures performed. One
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Quoteexfollowerto moderator, 'sallie' is not only being disruptive w/ her manic (schizophrenic?) posts, she is rude, insulting; and ACCUSING other posters. her paranoia seems to make her attack everyone; and more than one poster has said they will no longer use the forum, simply because of her. (if a member of this cult wanted to do this they would be banned, no? =============
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Good news! Did anyone think that parents who sent their teenage boys to Jack Hickman for ''alone time'' were bad? Well, according to Exfollower's ''AMAZINGLY DISCOVERED'' new arricle; Jack was impotent because of a heart attack before the re-gathering. So you see? No problem. No sexual abuse of young men. There's even more good news!
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I'm AMAZED as well I'm AMAZED that exfollower found that article the very day after it was posted I'm AMAZED because I typed ''doomsday cult'' into the 'google search'' and it took me a few pages of ''scrolling'' to find this article. Even then I would not have known that it related to Hickman. But Exfollower found it.
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Quotemainecooncati also found this site - - someone else not afraid to tell all. Here's a FUN quote from this ''article'' which is basically...about how horrible Jack Hickman was. He's dead anyway so what could be the harm in blaming him for everything? So here's one quote . The article states that ''Gary worked during some of the Lost Years and
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Exfollower, You understand my sarcasm. You know I am fed up by the Gary Coons apologists. You realize that this recently written, book report- type- article, paints a picture of Gary Coons as a ''victim''. How do you feel when you read things which depict Gary Coons as a victim? 1) TwoWorlds apologized for Gary in this way. They posted ''QuoteTwo
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OH I AM SO FED UP I JUST READ MOST OF THAT RIDICULOUS ARTICLE THANKS FOR THE LINK EX FOLLOER SOMEONE ''BOLDLY'' COMING FORTH WITH SECRETS WHAT SECRETS? THAT LINK ''RE-STATES'' WHAT EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS EXCEPT...EXCEPT...EXCEPT ... Poor widdle gary wary...we don't even use his whole name...poor widdle gary is
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Exfollower, I posted the rap sheet and arrest record of people who had already been investigated and reported by ''outsiders'' There are victims in this cult, ''insiders'' who have NOT reported events. Victims of sexual crimes deserve to have total control. To sexually violate someone is to tear away at their own personal boundarie
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HI Ex, So I was fondly reading your first post. The autobiography of exfollower You wrote ''QuoteexfollowerI'm also a former family member, ex-hickmanite... geez, what do we call ourselves? oh, I know... people. normal people! I left after 'sunday bloody sunday'. in my years in the community I was privy to a great many things. I had friends who were e
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