QuoteThe Shadowp.s. I'm glad you kept Issac, jj Thanks! Me too. I can see the differences between your experience and the one at The School. Not only did you give something, you got something... and it wasn't "something of value". It actually sounds like a very sweet experience... not one that would leave you wondering how you were going to get back across the country wi
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QuoteThe Shadowp.s. I'm glad you kept Issac, jj Yes, her story is 100x more compelling than Carols, or Katies cockroaches, because its true. Its quite scary to think one can be that close to getting sucked in...could be for 10 years, or even for Life.
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p.s. I'm glad you kept Issac, jj
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Quotejj52Over the last week, there was a discussion here about the exercise at the School where participants were asked to think of something valuable in their rooms, wrap it up, and give it to BK... not to be returned for the most part. (Just a brief recap after the Guruphiliac detour:) Blammo shared about his relatives who apparently gave away $100,000 in jewelry. And, I witnessed others who ga
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Quotejj52 One of the messages she gives over and over and with force is the message that The Work will change the world... that it is THE ONLY WAY TO GOD... and that each participant should feel responsible for getting The Work "out there" into the world. She tells you how it is THE THING that will end suffering, end all war, and bring world peace. Just in case there are those out t
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So, I've been reading all of the mainstream self-help type books about cults, and I finally got to Steve Hassan's "Combatting Cult Mind Control." I started reading it today, and have already had several "a-ha" moments. I'm also really starting to feel the grief of my loss through my involvement with Byron Katie. Over the last week, there was a discussion her
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QuotecorboyRegarding the Guruphiliac post on ET alluded to above: Over the years Mr Ross has comported himself in a steady and gentlemanly manner---even when under pressure and baited by trolls. Because Mr Ross conducted RR.com in an adult and decorous manner, and by maintaining high journalistic standards, RR.com earned and attracted legal advocacy in its hour of need---and by maintaining
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I recently heard of Byron Katie and Tolle, never really thought of them as frauds, it's sad how we've been conditioned to accept what we see in the media as legit. There are some excellent points being made here...I need to be more skeptical.
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QuotecorboyRegarding the Guruphiliac post on ET alluded to above: Over the years Mr Ross has comported himself in a steady and gentlemanly manner---even when under pressure and baited by trolls. Because Mr Ross conducted RR.com in an adult and decorous manner, and by maintaining high journalistic standards, RR.com earned and attracted legal advocacy in its hour of need---and by maintaining
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Regarding the Guruphiliac post on ET alluded to above: Over the years Mr Ross has comported himself in a steady and gentlemanly manner---even when under pressure and baited by trolls. Because Mr Ross conducted RR.com in an adult and decorous manner, and by maintaining high journalistic standards, RR.com earned and attracted legal advocacy in its hour of need---and by maintaining its polite
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left_of_the_dial, I like what you said about the Oprah audience, might I add just some words? "he makes people the FALSE PROMISE they will feel good without actually pushing them to do much of anything and Oprah's crowd probably likes that kind of message." Same as The Secret. You can HAVE IT ALL, instantly, with no effort. Personally, I think ET planned the entire Gu
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Things to Make and Do Go to Google. Type 'Eckhart Tolle' and 'Platinum' into the slot. You can do this just on the Google main page. Or, if you want to be precise, type ET's full name into exact phrase slot and the words 'platinum' and 'seating' into the all words slot. Seating is divided into bronze, silver gold and platinum. Read t
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SuzyQ, I appreciate the clarification. I suppose we just might have to agree to disagree about Eckhart Tolle though. All he teaches, as far as I can tell, is the importance of quieting the mind and being aware of the present moment. I don't know if the guy is enlightened or simply deluded but I haven't seen any evidence that he has tried taking advantage of anyone. The Oprah followers t
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There seems to be a debate...who's worse? Eckhart Tolle or Byron Katire? ET or BK? Eckhart Tolle is no bargain. He claims to be an Enlightened Master, and people believe him? He bashes the Mind yet claims he has an "intense conscious presence of the teacher". It is shocking that so many people seem to just believe anything anyone says. Just short speeches here. but th
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QuoteThe AnticultI would agree that outright "supporting" Byron Katie is not the correct word. Its better expressed as creating a "distortion field" and more confusion around Byron Katie, and trying to minimize and deflect from the LGAT aspects of it. To me its not the personal opinion, its the deflection, and the bias and conscious distortion. That does create an open door. Y
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Here is a critical look at Eckhart Tolle's approach, from Steve Salerno's "SHAMblog": Tolle Calls. Part 1 and Tolle Calls. Part 2
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Shakti, I think you've made some good points in this and the other thread re Byron Katie... am appreciating very much your additions to this intense discussion. Thank you. :-)
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I would agree that outright "supporting" Byron Katie is not the correct word. Its better expressed as creating a "distortion field" and more confusion around Byron Katie, and trying to minimize and deflect from the LGAT aspects of it. To me its not the personal opinion, its the deflection, and the bias and conscious distortion. That does create an open door. In my book, when
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K, I checked out Guruphilliac and all the comments. I don't get the impression that he is supporting Byron Katie. He's actually said some very true and rather derogatory things about her. And, just the fact that he is critical about her is enough for me. Apparently, he's not been involved too much with The Work, so he's just giving a general opinion with the information he&
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Someone, i can't remember who, said that Tolle is not calling himself a "guru". I dispute this, having checked out his site, along with his partner's (Kim), both of whom are resident in one of BC's most prestigeous and EXPENSIVE areas. def: guru: "Weighty one," indicating a being of great knowledge or skill. A term used to describe a teacher or guide in any
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QuoteshaktiI posted this on another Byron Katie thread in response to Anti-cult's attacks on Jody Radzik and I will post it here with an addition.. Shakti, not sure why you feel the need to defend Guruphiliac Jody...have you seen the way the guy deals with any marginally critical post on his blog? Just vicious personal attacks, and raging insults the level of a schoolyard. Where is the i
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Dear Anti-cult, While I share your surprise at Jody's relatively light treatment (however, keep in mind, his initial post was CRITICIZING her and he has not changed his position on that) of Katie, you are being inappropriate and attacking the wrong target. If you were merely criticizing Katie, I doubt that Jody deleted your comments. If you were ripping on JODY the way you are here, I ca
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Here is a look at least some of the problems with Eckhart Tolle's (and others like him) approach, from Steve Salerno's "SHAMblog": Tolle Calls. Part 1 and Tolle Calls. Part 2
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I guess it's that time of year again. The time when Oprah unleashes another phony guru on the public. I haven't been around much lately but had to check in to see about this Tolle guy everyone seems to be going nuts over. From the bit I've heard, it sounds like the same ego denying, critical thinking stopping, and emotion deadening crapola. Maybe all those people who didn
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no golfer, it is not amazing at all, the world is full of psychopaths who write books and run corporations without any regrets for the people they hurt! regards, shad
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golfer6716; it is not necessarily bad or evil that they are charging, what is bad is that they are selling "spiritual enlightenment" which in itself is not a commodity -- when one is truly enlightened one does not have to sell their knowledge, it is free for the asking....that is the truth, so when these self-appointed spiritual teachers teach these methods you automatically know they
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Quotejj52I wanted to ignore ralpher, but I seem to have gotten stuck on trying to make any sense at all of his erratic post. Anticult, corboy, skeptic, helpme2times... any suggestions or feedback? JJ, I think you are doing just fine. That erratic post by ralpher wasn't decipherable. Not unless one lives on Planet Katie. Shoot, I wanted to add, "keep up the good work!"
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Hi JackOscarLarm this "watching the listener" sounds really similar to what I heard at one of the Landmark sessions that I attended as a guest of one of the participants....in my opinion it is just more of the same old scam, and I would not be at all surprised to learn that this new Eckhart is a disciple of the other Eckhart of EST notiority. (maybe he is one of his children, who reall
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Oprah has been wrong before, if you remember the time she had mucho "egg on her face" after promoting that young guy who wrote a book that was a complete lie. I suspect that some of Oprah's employees have not done their research. tegards, Shad
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as I keep saying: " I don't have to swallow arsenic to know that it will kill me" Shad
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