Shout out to Corboy for pointing out something I didn't think about when I posted about Pucelik's book. There are two versions: one from circa 1990, and the other is an updated version. The one from 1990 is the one I'm referencing, with the writing team of Pucelik and Byron Lewis. It's a good read, and I might have to get myself the updated version, too
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News about the "Turnaround"... I got a book from the "secret" third man who helped create NLP, named Frank Pucelik. It's called, "The Magic of NLP, Demystified". Check out his version of the meta model in the book. You'll find a section on referential indexes. This section is broken up into five subsections, one of which is called, "reversed referen
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As a previous follower of Imzaia, I feel it is my responsibility to write here, in case it may be helpful to you reading. Revisiting the heart-felt accounts on this forum, from past followers and family members really adds fuel to this fire. I'd like to address both family members who have lost a loved one to this group, as well as individuals who are visiting this page with a hint of su
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question lady Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > QuoteygHi Solea > > The issue of authority is a big one, and if we > e were not looking to authority outside of > ourselves, or authority learned from outside of > ourselves but now internalized, we would not be > prey to so much. > > > > Getting free of the lure and the
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jj52 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Zentient, > > I don't know anything about the Unity Church, but > I did think it was really odd that a Church would > have Katie come do a seminar there when I saw that > event listed awhile back. Katie's belief system is > so Anti-everything-Christian... she doesn't belong > tea
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If Jacs' behavior wasn't enough to show the org is compromised, which it obviously is, I looked into the 3 other co-founders and seeing major red flags about another co-founder Craig Holliday... In the description of every one of his youtube videos, he likens himself/his teachings as similar to a list of people that include many teachers that are well-known as dangerously unethical
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Thank you for the welcome. I had gone through TAC's replies on the subject, as well as several others, and I'm glad to see so much information is out there already. I really do hope anyone who was drawn into BK's institution finds these posts and breaks free. I'm new to NLP, relatively speaking, but a lot of people who have been around much longer are concerned about unethical
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Welcome to the CEI message board. We 'bump' older topics upwards to the front page all the time so that visitors can know what's available. The Byron Katie discussion was one of the most heavily disrupted, trolled conversations that took place on the message board. Heavy trolling is a sure sign that many consider a discussion valuable, and that many others want that same
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Hello everybody, new to the board. I have received training in NLP, and I can confirm that BK uses language patterns and pacing and leading, as well as metaphors and embedded suggestions. I'm not the world's best NLPer, and it took me a couple of times to read through some quotes to find the suggestions, because I'm used to looking for analog marking. However, I wanted to mentio
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(My opinion of the Advaita scene after reading years of damage reports) This is the terrifying implication of Advaita -- that self and other are one, distinctions between ourselves and other persons is illusion. If a seeker entered the world of Advaita teachings, satsangs and teachers, he or she is in a world where no one has inherent rights to decent treatment and where adoration (to alleg
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Furthermore… The ‘spiritual concept’ that pain and suffering is a necessary component to awakening should be enough to raise ALL red flags. “Byron Katie says, “You are your only hope, because we're not changing until you do. Our job is to keep coming at you, as hard as we can, with everything that angers, upsets, or repulses you, until you understand. We love you that much, whether we�
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We’ve all seen that one can be awake to Wholeness and yet that, in no way, means one is free from shadow or is somehow a balanced and decent human. One can be awake to the Oneness and still be creating delusions and, worse yet, harming others in the process. I have read/watched far too many of BK’s harmful advice she has given out. Some examples: “Boundaries are an act of selfishness,
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I literally joined this forum to discuss finding out that a co-worker of mind is a serious follower of Eckart Tolle. I used to read this forum a lot years ago so Tolle was already on my radar. This co-worker, who I have found to be an annoying dimwit generally, was all psyched about her trip to another city to see Tolle live on tour. So she is not a casual follower, and apparently doesn�
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QuoteThe Anticult That is from the confusion technique in hypnosis which Byron Katie uses, which has been described in this thread. That is the first step of this type of conversational hypnosis, to put people into a very confused mental state. It's good to have my observations validated.
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Here's a URL for something Anticult wrote. Second post from the top. Here is a list of posts Anti Cult wrote describing a sophisticated trance induction story telling method that goes by the name "nested loops". To do a search on the CEI message board that covers from discussions many years ago, always select "All Dates" before running your search.
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I've been studying a lot of YouTubes on hypnosis recently. There's a particular class of rapid inductions called "the confusion induction." I'm guessing that's how BK's "Is that true?" question works. The subject doubts their own perceptions, has nothing to replace them, and confusion results. After this point, they are malleable.
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A member of this message board who went by the name Anticult, quite knowledgeable in hypnotic trance induction techniques, made many contributions to this discussion of Byron Katie. You can read the posts here. After Anticult joined, this Byron Katie discussion was visited by many trolls. Without alert daily moderation, the discussion would've been disrupted. A troll invasion u
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Hello antman, Quote: -metaphysical things, like you always existed and can never die There is a lot of evidence out there to suggest that people do actually die. For example, both my parents died, I saw it with my own eyes, it was very real. However, a lot of religions believe in 'life after death', which brings people some comfort - we believe that one day we might meet our lov
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I was thinking about my history of reading ET, and listening to his talks, and decided to come post in this thread. I do own the BK book with The Work, I never got into it. I found The Work to be a waste of time. ET had an immediate effect though and I was reading TPON again and again. This was between 2010 and 2013. This influences me even today. The most helpful aspects of the book app
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I feel they are legit but as with, perhaps, many who awake to Wholeness suddenly they seem stuck in a typically Absolutist, bypassing ‘position’ that heavy denies our Humanness. While ‘The Work’ of Byron Katie has never resonated with me, as an approach I have heard of way too many instances of harmful advice she has given on this human plane. I’ll take an ordinary Human...any day...who kn
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Thanks for all the information. I have attended the 9-day School twice and also the Turnaround House twice more than 10 years ago. Shortly after my second stay at the turnaround House I got divorced from my wife. I was totally blind. I cant understand how I believed and trusted this BK person so much??? I was abused as a child by my parents in very extreme ways and was looking for
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fuck budhists fuck tolle fuck neoroscience fuck all this shit. when your mind relaxes it s simple as that it relaxes. Grow the fuck up "spirituality" is for losers
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QuoteSahara71 [/Of course, ET probably believes most of his own bullshit, due to his own egomania. that was what was tricking me for a long time. i mean "why he says the things he says" "there must be true" or " he speaks because he knows the truth". But then i started to realize that maybe he is not being charlatan on purpose and that he just believes his own
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Eckart tolle is a dangerous "spiritualist". I have been a NAIVE victim to his words. It was like a void, like hell. To those of you in here that follow him you are propably naive and hypnotized enough to do so. There are things and people that are dangerous in this world. But know this: THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN. tolle is preaching like he is saying something brand new. "new consiousn
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Hi Gary, Yes it’s true you were and are never alone on this topic, neither was I, but it can feel like it as it’s so isolating.. unless it’s someone else who’s fallen in too. So many people get wrapped into it, not difficult especially since the internet gave the ability to people like this for more visibility, and to any age who have the ability to search the web, access YouTube or use soc
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Hi Facet, it really feels nice getting a reply. that tells me i was never alone and there are many like me that got through tough shit because of.. well.. our naiveness. And that is something for me for real because you see this kind of staff are hard to talk with people. I didn t know that about Hitler and that he would make the audience wait before speaking. Is seems like intersting info. fo
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Hi George, It is so good to read your post and see that you are out of it all, I can relate to what you say so much. Cannot believe that I used to sit and give these people time, space in my head, and money.. but I did. When you said QuoteHITLERS WAS on of them..he is a good paradigm ..He wasn t for good wasn t he? He was talking for a new earth TOO, A NEW WORLD MADE IN HIS OWN CRITERIA PER
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Thank you for your reply. I just wannted to state that i don t care if they see as ego or not. Our ego is a natural part of our beings . It s just what it is . it s there for a reason . Don t buy that "egolless" bullshit. NOONE is egoless. All natural beings we have ego of some kind. Humans, dogs, cats... all. It s our maturity with our ego that s the thing.
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the last comment of mine was going for zizlz .
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we are not on the same sync here man. Don t reply to me again. I am out of that staff generally . If you want to keep going with the eastern bullshit sure it s your right.
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