On the horizon: Hargrave Family Concentration Camps
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Horrible
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"The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth." -Garry Kasparov "Satan twists what God is doing to make it appear that our bondage is fulfillment and our deliverance is destruction." -Gary Hargrave
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G: "Satan twists what God is doing to make it appear that our bondage is fulfillment and our deliverance is destruction." Satan is encouraging people to stay in the church? I wish he would make up his mind. This is ridiculous.
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GoingRogue Wrote: > "There is, however, no prescribed level of > participation or involvement." > > Unless things have changed very much in recent > years, that statement seems like a gross > exaggeration to me. Yes, it is. excerpt from 'living word' "Lord, we love Your discipline and we receive it gratefully as sons, knowing that You
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Meanwhile, the 'living word' continues to twist reality. In the latest message Gary portrays his overbearing, abusive ways as the 'discipline of the Lord.' It's an old, tried and true tactic--characterizing abuse as love. Anyway, I'm still retaining hope that people will see through his deceptive, manipulative 'ministry' and escape from his clutches. The cr
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: > I am really concerned about this. He is headed in > a direction that could very well bring devastating > harm to people who have faithfully followed--when > he tells them they have failed and fallen out of > favor with God and God will now be raising up > people in Brazil to replace them. He will not do > this gently. When M's funeral w
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe Gary will build a lavish mansion in Brasil. > On this secluded island: > > I wonder if he could get all the other snakes to submit to him. That would be one heckuva challenge! "Obey Snake. Your survival depends on it!" Hiss...
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GoingRogue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Garies are in Brazil...and they're still > hammering on Obedience. > > It won't happen, but I still hold on to the faintest hope that Gary would start serving God and leave everyone else in the fellowship alone. Unfortunately, power-driven people such as G find no satisfaction in simply
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GoingRogue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Shiloh Summer Camp--What's the Worst that can > happen? > > You could lose appendages or limbs at the > sawmill. > > You could fall in the swamp. > > You could faint from heat exhaustion AND fall in > the swamp. Yeah, I guess each one of those are worse then listening to
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Obedience--I'm Lovin' It Leader's name-The Most Uninteresting Man in the World Shiloh Summer Camp--What's the Worst that can happen?
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bob McClane was my cousin. My favorite cousin. > He and his mom were actually the ones that brought > my mom and later me into the Walk. Bob died the > day after I was sworn in (at church, on the > platform with a lot of hoopla) as an attorney. > The next day I brought his youngest son John Judah &g
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Obviously, obedience is critical > to the process. It’s the bait-and switch > technique of TLWF that caused me such grief. I > know I was far too open to hear “You need a > special apostle to tell you what God really means” > and then you wake up one day discarded in the > ditch. Well
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Latest messages from Church of Persuasive Coercion (COPC): Repent To Remove Disobedience Obedience: His Standard For Judgment Our Survival Is Based On Obedience Confirmation — The Safeguard For Our Absolute Obedience The Two-Edged Sword Of Obedience And Confirmation Shut Up and Give Me Your Money
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Tmason Wrote: > > > The SI Statements (available on the same CA > > website) show a change in leadership. > > Yes, Rick Holbrook is now listed as Chief > Executive Officer, Karen Seboldt as Secretary and > Steve Seboldt as Treasurer. The latest Statement > of Information (SI)
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Tmason Wrote: > The SI Statements (available on the same CA > website) show a change in leadership. Yes, Rick Holbrook is now listed as Chief Executive Officer, Karen Seboldt as Secretary and Steve Seboldt as Treasurer. The latest Statement of Information (SI) was filed January 18 of this year.
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note: these articles of incorporation were filed in May of 1992. Gary Hargrave is listed as president of the corporation, and John Grill as secretary.
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Article IV Membership in this Corporation This corporation shall have no members. Any action which would normally require approval by members shall require approval of the Apostolic company, and the Directors of the corporation. All rights which normally would be vested in the members shall vest in the Apostolic company, and directors of this corporation.' Translation: authority is
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The Apostolic Totalitarian Ministry--we've all experienced it to one degree or another. Whatever you've given to this ministry, even if it's your whole being, is never enough. It always wants more...is never satisfied. The latest demands, of course, have to do with obedience. Obedience, obedience, obedience. Good luck on fulfilling that one. History (65+ yrs.) suggests it is a fut
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Note: The above referenced link > > > > is from a Scientology organization (STAND). No > wonder they want to “debunk the myth of religious > brainwashing”. Geez.
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Toward the end of the YouTube video, Ross quotes the late clinical psychologist Margaret Singer, co-author of the book 'Cults in our Midst,' about the difference between the average con artist and a cult leader. Here's what he says Singer told him: "Brainwashing is nothing really more than a confidence game. And a cult leader is running a con. The difference between the
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"The group's beliefs can never be critically questioned in any way." From reading years of comments on this forum from ex-TLWF members, being shut down, rebuked, ostracized etc. is a familiar experience to those having the audacity to ask a genuine question about what someone in 'authority' said or did. A perceived challenge is met with a beat down. The fact that Gary
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Here is a link to a YouTube video where Rick Ross, moderator of this forum, talks about coercive persuasion (i.e. brainwashing). I find it pretty convincing.
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I'm relieved that he (or someone) edited the messages so they apply to him personally ;) Repent To Remove My Disobedience Posted on June 28, 2018 by Gary Hargrave * * * Obedience: His Standard For My Judgment Posted on June 29, 2018 by Gary Hargrave * * * Our Survival Is Based On My Obedience Posted on June 29, 2018 by Gary Hargrave * * * Confirmation — T
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Wasn't there a lot of hoopla during that performance & the building of the amphitheater itself about the imminent return of John? I think a great deal of the enthusiasm centered around that expectation. I can't recall the exact phrase that was being spread among the faithful at the time. Was it... "If we build it, he will come." "If we fake it, he will come."
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light777 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am going to keep this very short, as I > intentionally do not want to upheaval too many > unfavorable memories from the past, as I have > spent the last several years (to the best of my > ability) purging the sick B.S. that The Living > Word so successfully forced me to believe. > Perhaps at
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A good Monday morning to all! I came across this short, simple quote today, and although it references only journalists, I think it applies to anyone who places themselves at risk to combat the corruptive influence of unchecked power. Enjoy: "Journalists do vital work to tell stories that must be told and hold power accountable. They’ve earned our respect and our thanks." -Adam Sc
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With the persistent indoctrination of his followers, many of them believe that giving him everything they have of value, including their own lives, is the Father's will. That's their interpretation of what it means to be obedient.
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FCSLC Wrote: > The warnings and threats are what we hated the > most. If you removed the element of fear, how many people would have remained in TLWF? The fear of losing protection from the mob boss in the sky, if nothing else, keeps people in line.
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