FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > changedagain wrote: “but the warnings/threats to > the people to stay obedient is as intense as > ever.” > The warnings and threats are what we hated the > most. It drove my wife and I to search for a > different God. We needed a whole new paradigm. > Earthly peace became more important than be
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The truth about the nefarious ways of TLWF leadership through the years is surfacing, causing quite the reaction. Here's an excerpt from the latest 'living word' emanating from Shiloh. It's the same twisting of reality, but the warnings/threats to the people to stay obedient is as intense as ever. People attempting to get free from the clutches of the cult can be an ugly, dang
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'He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?' Micah 6:8-9 I prefer this approach to Gary's obsession with obedience (to himself). We have enough people claiming to be the answer, and it's not helpful.
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larry bobo Wrote: > If I look at the fruit of the last > 50 years I’ve known about TLWF, I see zero > righteous ruling over others that brings forth the > kingdom or any actual effects of “pathetic words > of judgment”, except in vain imaginations. A few > at the top have established a position over > followers that would not be honored elsewhere in > the Body and
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Gary Hargrave: "Do you want to be under the Lordship of Jesus Christ? Do you want to establish His Kingdom? There is only one way: become and remain obedient." Obedience, Obedience, Obedience, Obedience etc. Someone has a one-track mind (hint: it's not God)
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"For Moses, there was just one covenant that would make God the God for him and the people: the covenant of Abraham. Moses, however, had not circumcised his sons. As a result, God sought to put him to death (Exodus 4:24). We must search our hearts for where we have violated what God has asked us to do." short letter home: "It's 99 degrees with 89% humidity, and we're
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Gary: "Judgement is something we will trigger." Better hope it doesn't start with you first! Matthew 7:1-2
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"The Shiloh 4th of July event is by private invitation only and is sold out to general public." I haven't received my invitation yet :(
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GoingRogue Wrote: > From what I remember of Donna, she was a very > out-going person who had a natural ability to > relate to people, especially children. She was an > elementary school teacher. It makes sense that she > would be a good mom too. You're right, kbyrne, she > didn't deserve what happened. My guess is that GH > saw his chance to climb to the t
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > * * * N E W S ~ F L A S H * * > * > > > We interrupt this discussion for an important > announcement: > > Well, at least it appears they are doing something with the community in mind. That's a change :)
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GoingRogue Wrote: > No, I couldn't find that exchange in the doc files > I received, puddington. I know I've read it > before, though. It was a very sad and telling > account of a young person looking for answers. Too > bad that GH showed zero nurturing skills and > compassion for his own child. Fathering ministry > indeed. I do recall her saying that sh
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NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I received the email message below. From a > friend. > > "After the South Gate church closed, Gary showed > me a letter from someone who joined the Church of > Satan. His wife had been gossiped about and > shunned by the congregation. Last year I saw him > at Costco. He told me h
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GSchaeff Wrote: > I'll keep trying. I've emailed the creator of > Factnet.org, Lawrence Wollersheim, to see if he > has an archive. Unfortunately, there seems to have > been a falling out between the co-creators of > factnet over the high cost of keeping the site > safe and secure from hackers, and we may have lost > that data for good. Bummer. Keep try
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<I take full responsibility. I was a co-abuser with Marilyn and Gary.> Sounds like a bad guy. Glad he is taking responsibility for his actions. G & M certainly had their executioners, and knew how to put them to use. Wow, what a story.
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Did you find the posts from Gary’s daughter, Dawn? > They will break your heart. What a poor example > of a father. It says a lot about the “apostolic > fathering ministry”. As I mentioned, he told a group of shepherds that he did not have a daughter. Whether it meant he didn't think she was hi
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GSchaeff Wrote: "I don't place a lot of merit in rumors, but I think where TWLF is concerned, it's definitely worth being aware of them. I say that because TWLF has done a lot to re-imagine much of this history online and in print. When I left the movement, JRS was becoming deified in my opinion." It was considered blasphemy in the Walk not to believe John was everything
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JezTheBelle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am here for one purpose and one purpose only. > When I have accomplished my goal, I will fade > right back into the woodwork that I came out of, > resume my life as it stands, and leave this whole > nightmare in the dust of the past where it > belongs. > The claims of “the faithful” th
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rrmoderator Wrote: > > This is a long standing active thread that has > > provided deep insights into a group that has > > little information about it on the Web. True. And if it goes up in flames, I'm still proud that people have come forward all these years to courageously express what they experienced in this cult. It's had a good run.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > If I am being overly sensitive. You are > probably > > being overly aggressive. In taking what I said > out > > of context. And exaggerating it to the point > where > > it appears stupid. That to me. Is a personal > > attack. I think the root of your problem here. >
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Now...can we please return to the topic at hand--The Living Word Fellowship? And if anyone decides to sneak in a comment about the royal wedding, I won't complain to the moderator. Trust me!
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> If I am being overly sensitive. You are probably > being overly aggressive. In taking what I said out > of context. And exaggerating it to the point where > it appears stupid. That to me. Is a personal > attack. I think the root of your problem here. Is > you have by your own admission psychological > issues. That started in your upbringing; yet, you > blame all
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Lily, You and Nickle are far too sensitive. That is the root of most of the problems you are facing here (IMO). And whether you know it or not, TLWF would like nothing better than to see this forum, where people have come forward to finally tell the truth of how things operated within that cult...finally disintegrate into petty squabbles. And if that happens, I still stand behind what I have
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O.K.--I read the exchange. I should have credited you with the joke. Mea culpa.
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm trying to catch up but only got as far as > posts from 3 weeks ago. NickleandDimed don't feel > bad about changedagain's sarcastic comments. I was > only on the message board 2 months when I > commented on a post by changedagain that he didn't > have big breasts. I jokingly
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree. It doesn’t look like she was > “marginalized” at all. She said she would only > post a few times then leave. And that’s what she > did. There were several on-going threads going on > at the same time, but it doesn’t appear that > anyone was trying to suppress her. I welcomed her, wh
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GSchaeff Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The frosted mugs, yes! Or if you made the > pilgrimage to Shiloh for SOP it was the golf carts > you were allowed to drive. I don't know where > they got those, but I can remember a few that got > busted up in the woods during the amphitheater > party. Only VIPs were invited there too. There
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GoingRogue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Puddington, thanks for the link. Hilarious! :) 1693 giraffes. That seems excessive.
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GSchaeff Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's funny, Changedagain. We always called that > a snipe hunt, which is a practical joke where > someone invites you to start a church somewhere. > You break your back to find a location, get people > to attend, finish your Master's in Divinity, and > then watch as G&M handpick the
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Alexa...what is a party duper? A person who sends out invitations to a party that never takes place. Thanks Alexa. I've been to a few of those!
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The "duping" had layers. First was Stevens duping > the girl. Then it was Stevens and the girl duping > the guy who married her. Twenty years later when > the duping was exposed to the duped husband and > thereafter he and the Hargraves keeping the secret > and thus duping the entire churc
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