BTW, to everyone who contributes to this board, realize we have an unstated policy of banning at least one poster every six months or so. Don't take it too personally if it happens to you. I know if I am the one that gets the axe this time around, I will be very upset for a brief time period (10 years or so), and then do something completely different. Growing tomato plants and/or drinking
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rrmoderator Wrote: > This is a long standing active thread that has > provided deep insights into a group that has > little information about it on the Web. Interesting.
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rrmoderator Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To whom it may concern: > > This is a long standing active thread that has > provided deep insights into a group that has > little information about it on the Web. > > Please exercise polite courtesy and post within > the rules in a reasonable and thoughtful way. > > Hopefully
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GoingRogue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: on May 6, 2018 > ------------------------------------------------------- > "Gary’s response 'We don’t need to change > anything. This is just colateral damage in the > battle for the kingdom. There’s always going to > be casualties.'” > > > Now that
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > GSchaeff Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Changedagain, you've been on this forum for a > > minute. I've been on this board for more than a minute, GScgaeff. You must know that. QUIT MISREPRESENTING MY INVOLVEMENT!!!!!!!!!! love, CA
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GSchaeff Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Changedagain, you've been on this forum for a > minute. Has the other Bobbi Morris' TLW ever come > up? It seems like quite a coincidence, considering > Stevens had TLWF locations all over California to > include the bay area. Not to my knowledge. Coincidence, indeed.
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GSchaeff Wrote: > I heard it put really well the other day, "the hardest day > of freedom is better than the best day inside a cult." Yes
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And on another note . . . > > "Good News, Church: You're Dying" > > Thanks for sharing this, kBoy.,
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kbyrne Wrote: > It has been very liberating for > me to go back, even though it's been umpteen > years, and reconnecting with that person I was > before the Walk. I feel like I'm shedding off > layers and layers of crap ... don't know how else > to say it. That's great to hear, kbyrne!
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girls_turn_it_off Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > According to Facebook, it looks like G man got > married over the weekend. I wonder if they took an > offering during the marriage service. Ha--for Apostolic Travel?
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > changedagain - I recall my first corporation > meeting in L.A. G&M and company were smoking > cigarettes, drinking hard alcohol, and swearing > about everything. I recall that time period. I struggled then, as I do now, recognizing Christ in the Flesh.
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Excellent post, Larry. <It’s almost comical now thinking back that I, as well as many others, needed a six-pack of beer to survive an elder’s meeting – they were such godly events> BTW, the first time Gary threatened to kill me was when he and Marilyn when at our local church for the purpose of commissioning the new pastor. I joked about the pastor bringing a case of beer for this go
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GSchaeff Wrote: > The number is much, much higher than 3 by the way. > Larry, I'm very sorry to hear about your > experience also. I hope you taking the courage to > share it will wake some current members up. Yes
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NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lot of agreement among men here. Sometimes G&M > gave direction. Not always. Why can't you see > that. Is it because you were taught at all cost to > protect your fellow ministry. No > Those sexually abused by ministries didn't get > that direction from G&M. It's pret
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larry bobo Wrote: > The real tragedy is the hundreds of lives that > have been so trashed by TLWF that they want > nothing to do with God – and it was never God who > wounded them in the first place. People were > responding instinctively to situations that they > knew in their hearts were not right. My last > words to Marilyn when she was trying to get me to >
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...and I hear all six kids were born during the > same week. You’ve been very busy Mr. > Changedagain. : ) THAT IS A LIE!!!! (four of them were)
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GSchaeff Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > NickelandDimed, I am not sure how I'd go about > controlling the narrative without admin rights, > but for what it's worth, you're free to talk about > whatever or whomever you wish and I won't try to > stop you or cut you down. I value your opinion and > the long amount of time
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And before it gets out there, I want everyone to know that I did NOT father six children from six different women during my brief stint as a pastor of a local church. That is a LIE!!!! (attempt at humor)
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We are definately on the same side here. I think > those old posts quoted above are accurate. The > names are out there. There are other victims that > were hurt much more deeply that I’d rather not > name in public. I’d rather not be someone who > increases their pain. Perhaps those victims (
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"changedagain you've been denigrating G&M. Who harmed you. Here for over a decade. When I posted about the ministries. Not G&M. Who harmed me. You cut me down. Because it wasn't about G&M. I have the same right. Under the rules here. To express myself. As do you. Without you cutting me down. Please don't judge my posts according to. Your point of view. GS your r
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puddington Wrote: "JRS and G&M worked hard to keep it secret. They didn’t want to blemish the reputation of the LW leadership." Yes--the reputation of LW leadership trumps everything else. Once you realize that uncomfortable truth, it becomes much easier to leave the place.
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GSchaeff Wrote: > > In a way, this extends to Marilyn. > Even if Marilyn went on to exploit congregants > herself, she began as his secretary. I've seen a > lot of theories about how she used her job as > secretary to slither up and manipulate JRS. That's > complete bullshit to me. JRS has a personal > responsibility not to sleep with his secretary,
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I didn't hear it directly from Marilyn, so I suppose for the purpose of this forum, it should continue to be regarded as rumor. That said, the leadership of the Walk/TLWF hasn't proven itself to be upfront about its human foibles. Just bringing it up here would likely bring accusations from apologists of me possessing a Pharisaical nature :)
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GoingRogue Wrote: > I have heard several people in the LW make the > following statement over the years, "I don't know > if (fill in cult leader's name) is right or wong, > but I would gladly follow them into hell if they > are wrong." That's an astonishing amount of power > to give a supposed Christian leader. Freeing > yourself from such s
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GoingRogue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Changed Again, are you saying that your APCO > friend believed the rumor? Or that he did not > believe the rumor? He said it was true...that he heard it directly from Marilyn.
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NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Onion you posted on another strand. Stevens had a > bio son with a lady in the church. For most of us. > That has been an unsubstantiated rumor. Do you > have any further evidence? Just curious. FWIW, I was told the same thing by a person who was in Apco post-John. He, like most of them, had a fa
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Gary came into draft age just as the lottery was > starting to hit his age group with the lottery. > Things had started to slow down by then > (Thankfully) and he probably had a college > defermen as well. Stevens probably had a health > deferment that let him escape WWII - but what did > he do a
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lily rose Wrote: > Anyone know how did Gary avoid serving in Vietnam? Not sure. Perhaps a deferment for being a college student.
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GSchaeff Wrote: > Additionally, some properties appear to have been > sold between trustees such as Marilyn, Kevin > Hargrave, and the Hargrave Family Trust. Why he > would sell the same property multiple times > between trusts is perplexing to say the least. strange, but not surprising
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An enlightening post, GSchaeff. Thanks for sharing!
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