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3 days ago
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Also, Marilyn claimed that she cleaned bathrooms in the early days of the Valley church (CLW). That story is utterly laughable, IMO. In fact, I'm laughing right now. If this happened, which I doubt it did, it would have been amusing if a 'little person' walked into the bathroom just as she was finishing the cleaning and declared: "this bathroom is the dirtiest I have ever s
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3 days ago
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7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor. I recall after I dropped out of college (junior year) to devote myself to bringing forth the Kingdom...I visited a former roommate at the school. After we talked for a while, he suddenly asked 'Where is your sense of humor? I think you need to leave that church.' I did not heed his advice, of course. note: if you've know
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3 days ago
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It bears repeating every now and then: Posted by: rrmoderator Date: January 12, 2011 12:28PM To whom it may concern: This is not a message board devoted to religious debates, theology and/or philosophy. Believe whatever you want. The issue is behavior and how the behavior of groups and/or leaders may hurt people. Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. 1.
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3 days ago
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Reep, I vaguely recall each one of them having a story that indicated they did a bit of manual labor. John mentioned in the early days of South Gate, while working on the church, he hammered him thumb rather than a nail...a folksy tidbit he included in sermons a few times. Gary claimed he did carpentry work at the SD church for a day.
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7 days ago
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Chicken catching? At least I was spared that. A post by 'fool me twice' from March 2019: Posted by: fool me twice Date: March 23, 2019 08:01AM kbyrne wrote: Yes, and add to that not just the free labor, sub-minimum wage, but the money that was made FOR TLW from kingdom businesses. I don't know how many times I went "chicken catching." What a horrible and
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8 days ago
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The Jewel wrote: About five years ago, I had an engineer working for me who was a Church of God PK. I was telling him some of these stories and then I said that I always asked too many Unanswerable questions like, “why no sex before marriage?” To which he replied “Oh, come on…, everyone knows that answer. It’s because sex leads to dancing.” Funny I wonder if Elaine Benes had practiced abstin
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9 days ago
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A few posts from February 2019: Posted by: Reepicheep Date: February 20, 2019 07:08AM Richard M., you are awesome for sharing your experiences. I didn't see this when it was on FACTNET, but it is so important that you shared it again. This is epic, and should lay to rest the thinking that the founder of the Walk was anything other than a very skilled conman. I want to believe in Sa
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14 days ago
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1979: Posted by: changedagain Date: November 07, 2016 02:49PM The account of John's vision of the Kingdom (which allegedly arrived in December of '79) can be found in the book 'The Shape of Things to Come'. I've had a copy buried for years somewhere in my garage...which I might search for should I ever have a renewed interest in the details of this vision. I do va
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16 days ago
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1972--Neighbors arguing politics: Give me one valid reason I should not vote for McGovern. The United States will be plunged into the dark ages for a thousand years. O.K.--besides that?
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18 days ago
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As we head toward the holidays...posts by Reep and kbyrne from December of 2017: Posted by: Reepicheep Date: December 13, 2017 11:24AM This time of year is especially hard for me because of time missed with loved ones during the holidays. Many of those I miss the most have passed away, and that time will never be recovered. I’m sure that I’m not the only one posting here who has this sadn
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18 days ago
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From January, 2016: Posted by: TheJewel Date: January 09, 2016 03:51AM I wanted to make a comment in answer to someone’s post (too lazy to go back and hunt down who) regarding whether JRS was a member of the John Birch Society. While I cannot say one way or the other whether JRS himself carried a membership card, I am pretty sure that many of the key players in the walk at that time were
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20 days ago
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A few posts from 2011. Yes, 2011. How time flies when you're having... Nevermind Posted by: changedagain Date: May 22, 2011 10:18AM One thing I learned not to do was question the validity of a pastor's word just because he happened to be totally wasted (alcohol) when he delivered it. In fact, I eventually came to the conclusion that God preferred moving through an alcoholic mi
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25 days ago
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Stats: Posts: 11,936 Views: 2,559,443 bonus: Participants who are zeros with the rim rubbed out:0
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25 days ago
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In any event, I imagine once you get in that orbit, it's hard to extricate oneself. I didn't face that particular challenge.
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28 days ago
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Of course, that in itself doesn't constitute being a member of a church. But I have seen him at services through the years, and I think he was on the corporate board of a church during G & M's rein.
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28 days ago
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No wonder he needs people like the Grays to bail him out. Although it was obvious that G. Gray was close to Gary, socializing with him and advising him on business matters, I have been told that he was never really a part of TLWF. Interesting. Perhaps his interpretation of being a part of something is different than most people's. :)
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29 days ago
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Posts by Onion and Paleface: Posted by: Onion Date: March 21, 2019 01:39PM I just learned that employees of the TLWF churches as far back as 2011, were paid $60k per year and carried "company credit cards." If anyone who worked in the accounting or money management areas had the gall/balls to tell someone that a charge for a $200 bottle of wine was likely a luxury item and not a
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29 days ago
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Reep wrote: I have decided to look at this as a badge of honor for standing with those who have been hurt by the cowardly leaders of TLWF. Yes
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30 days ago
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from May of 2016: Posted by: larry bobo Date: May 27, 2016 12:27AM Cloudwatcher – I was making light of being referred to as a Nephilim channel if you showed any type of disagreement with the leadership of TLWF. John tossed the word around frequently and I don’t think many stopped to think about what it actually meant. The Nephilim were the offspring of the sons of God who had interbred w
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5 weeks ago
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I wonder if the lamp of Israel and the coffee table of Israel found a way to coexist in the same home. Please disregard this post, if you haven't done so already.
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5 weeks ago
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Bizarre...but the norm in TLWF: Posted by: JesusJesusJesus Date: December 24, 2018 11:43PM This is kind of scary how long it's getting, and how vital understanding those words are in truly understanding "TLWF Experience." (Now if that's not the world's worst theme park idea, I don't know what is!) As for the furniture reference - I don't know about th
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5 weeks ago
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More on the 'upward flow' (i.e. enrich the leaders): Posted by: Reepicheep Date: March 21, 2019 08:15AM Unfortunately, there were no outside financial checks or balances in TLWF, only the Annual Shepherd's Report. The ASR kept church members busy counting paperclips every year while never having access to important info like Apostolic Fathering Ministries' salaries or
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5 weeks ago
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changed wrote: > I hear you, dbc. Your posts have been invaluable > here, helping people in similar situations, so > take some comfort in that. Below is your 'coming in at number 11' comment that stuck with me. ;) Posted by: dbc Date: February 23, 2015 09:01AM It's sad to note that a part of the annual School Of Prophets meeting at Shiloh is the designation
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5 weeks ago
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Excerpt from an article in The Atlantic: WHAT BOBBY MCILVAINE LEFT BEHIND Grief, conspiracy theories, and one family’s search for meaning in the two decades since 9/11 By Jennifer Senior "Then, on the morning of September 11, 2001, Bobby headed off to a conference at Windows on the World, a restaurant in a building to which he seldom had reason to go, for a media-relations job at
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5 weeks ago
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I hear you, dbc. Your posts have been invaluable here, helping people in similar situations, so take some comfort in that.
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6 weeks ago
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I was talking to Craig about a band that I was going to start playing with, and he said "Don't tell me you're gonna go out and become a fucking musician. That's not who you are." possible response: O.K.--but don't tell me you are a pastor, because that's not who you are. Deal?
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6 weeks ago
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TheyCalledMeJonah wrote: I was talking to Craig about a band that I was going to start playing with, and he said "Don't tell me you're gonna go out and become a fucking musician. That's not who you are." So your identity is that you are not a fucking musician? It's obvious from this deep personal ministry that Craig has the gift of discernment. ;)
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6 weeks ago
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TheyCalledMeJonah wrote: "I laugh every time I remember when Craig said in front of the church, Trump announced that today is the national day of prayer. You can say what you want about the guy, but when something happens, he turns to prayer." I think a lot of it takes place on the golf course.
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6 weeks ago
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TheycalledmeJonah from January of 2018: Posted by: TheycalledmeJonah Date: January 05, 2018 06:10AM Hey All, I've been a lurker for many months now, and I finally got an account. I'm hoping I can add a bit to the conversation since I have only very recently left the church. In fact, this Sunday will be my first time going to a non-TLWF church on my own accord. I am a young ma
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7 weeks ago
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Wow! So many readers, commenters and deep thinkers. Go Team Neph! Yes. I'm betting that God identifies more with Team Neph and Team Jez, than he does with Team VIP. No idea about Team Shitfaced.
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