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2 days ago
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > L I A M > > "I first began to find solace in my resolve to > accept myself without needing the affirmation of > the apostolic fathering ministries." > This is the 'giant leap' that everyone faces when > they leave a culture of perpetual dependency and > suddenly find them
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2 days ago
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Onion wrote: Yes, some people lie. Yes, some people exaggerate and generate stories out of one emotional misunderstanding. But those people are a very tiny minority among the numbers speaking out. kBOY wrote: This is an EXTREMELY important point when dealing with allegations of this nature. The emotional impact of these abuses is far more extensive than just having your identity stolen onlin
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3 days ago
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You know; being assimilated into a collective and > existing as an individual no more, isn’t that much > fun inasmuch as it’s novel at first, but quickly > turns into a bummer kingdom. Yes, FCSLC. In my case, it was a 21-year bummer...relatively short compared to the stint that some of the posters in thi
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5 days ago
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'We're not praying for the death of the nephilim, but the death of the spirit that is moving through the nephilim.' I remember John, speaking from the pulpit, justifying the death prayers by using that distinction (paraphrased). BTW, I wonder if anyone ever informed Martha that the church was not really praying for her death, but the death of the spirit that moved through her. A
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7 days ago
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Onion wrote: Gary once did a whole message from the pulpit about how bad anti-depressants were. I think some people were taking them to see if it would help them cope with the "living word."
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7 days ago
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Banjo wrote, Fortunately for me, I was far enough away from the center that I rarely received direct unkindness or worse. Most questions were answered without sarcasm or criticism. Hi Banjo, I'm generally sympathetic (bad word, sorry) to criticism and/or sarcasm if directed toward bullies--not toward those who are busting their ass to serve leadership & and often are living in survi
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7 days ago
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Onion wrote: I have always had that in my head when I comment on a nice day. TERRIBLE. Too bad John didn't have therapy because if he had gotten sober and got some help with his rotten conditioning, maybe we all wouldn't have been tormented with the haunting words of a man who was having morning-after guilts with his hangover and who was conditioned to think negatively about himself.
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7 days ago
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typer wrote, The Huisman's were a very loving couple and lived next door to the church. He was a good photographer. He took a picture of some mountain goats in Glacier National Park, had it framed and gave it to us when we visited. It is hanging in our living room to this day. We lived close to Glacier at the time. kBoy wrote: We are glad to hear you had an opportunity to spend some qua
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7 days ago
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<the cruelty of TLWF top leadership can't be understated, typer. meant overstated (big difference)
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8 days ago
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BTW, when Marilyn got her Mohawk haircut, I tried not to get within 30 ft. of her.
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8 days ago
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is it just me, or were all the women who were > "Marilyn" to their Kingdom Facility/locsl church > inherently antisocial, malicious, spiteful, > overbearing women? Good question, Reep. I think if they weren't that way when she "chose" them, they soon absorbed those qualities.
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8 days ago
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Yes--the cruelty of TLWF top leadership can't be understated, typer. I occasionally share this poignant post from sierradawn back in October of 2013 about the callous treatment her Mom received when she was terminally ill, as a reminder of what we came out of. Not that we need it. Anyway, many of us have made significant progress on path[s) toward recovery, and let it continue. Re
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8 days ago
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typer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There is so much emphasis from Jesus in his > ministry on the widow, the orphan and children. > Even the 12 apostles didn't have a clue on how > much Jesus loved children. What the fuck is wrong > with people and their religion? The damn love for > money and power and who the hell is going to sit
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8 days ago
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Best to stay clear of inhumane people--hating dogs would be one stark indication. Another indication, perhaps more obvious, is if you see fire in their eyes while they are praying.
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8 days ago
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I've always wondered why John Sayer and John Stevens hated dogs so much. Best to stay clear of inhumane people--hating dogs would be one stark indication.
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9 days ago
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Maybe John's vision of having Senior Housing on Shiloh property is finally going to be fulfilled, benefiting seniors in the community, and also both current and former members of TLWF who are now seniors and could use a little help. That would be great.
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9 days ago
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Who knows...perhaps the development will benefit the community, and eventually the owners of the property (whoever they are) can sell it to the city. We'll see.
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9 days ago
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1,410,273 page views to date. I think a lot of people are hoping for a pony :)
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9 days ago
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“We’ll have more in depth discussion at the next meeting (Jan. 20) with the vision and how that will carry out at that time,” Schlabaugh said. “At the point, the developer will be public, and they’ll share their vision.” I suspect one way or another this vision will entail a very few people making off like bandits, and everyone else who has been sacrificially involved with Shiloh through the y
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10 days ago
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Leaving this realm To move into another note: I was evicted from the first realm, so this move was not by choice. I think it for the better, though. #optimistic
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10 days ago
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typer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Changedagain: You make me laugh. Thank you. It is > so true when we had a cry for help the silence > could be deafening. I love the songs of help we > sing to each other. The morbid ones that make us > laugh are the best. Thanks, typer. Glad you're contributing to this forum. You've witnessed
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10 days ago
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Why are you grumpy? Well, my husband is still having the church pray for my death. Is that all? Yes, isn't that enough? Have you tried looking on the bright side of life? You're not going to sing that song to me again, are you? Yes, I am Now I am really grumpy. This day is not starting well. (singing) Some things in life are bad They can really make you mad Other things just
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10 days ago
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Reep wrote: Typer, I agree that Martha Stevens was a good and loving person. There was nothing wrong with her. Her husband had a roving eye and didn't feel that his ministry could survive a divorce. So what does any self-respecting Apostle to the Kingdom do? Tell people to pray for his wife to die, of course. Simple. Fortunately, it didn't work. JRS actually died sixteen years prior to
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10 days ago
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typer wrote: I remember the direction for prophesying the deaths of John F. Kennedy, Castro, and Kissinger. Oh, yeah, and Martha Stevens. My wife loved Martha. Martha was very kind to her when she worked at the Blix House in 1976. Thanks for sharing this, typer.
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10 days ago
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Being full of 'piss & vinegar' barely covers how > high and lofty we thought of ourselves. In > reality, it is a good thing all of our 'bluff & > bluster' prophesying fell to the ground void. The > world is probably much better off. > > (C H A N G E D : Your prophecy w
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11 days ago
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Speaking of stampedes (a subject no one has brought up)...during one late 70's violent prayer service presided over by John, I remember almost being trampled as I was trying to make my way up to the platform to deliver an earth changing prophesy. I've always been pretty good staying upright in a very physical environment, so did get my prophecy off. I have no recollection what I spoke,
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11 days ago
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This may be indicative of a "religious spirit," but my advice to anyone here who is considering drinking more...is to (if possible) stop drinking when you're only church function drunk, and avoid transitioning into the sh*tfaced drunk level. You could probably carry a breathalyzer around with you to (kinda) ascertain where you are at ...but I think it would be more accurate to rely
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12 days ago
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that little red flag Wrote: > I think I've mentioned this before, but my DR > actually told me I needed to start drinking more. > (Disclaimer: I actually do like a number of > drinks but my stomach does not, per two ulcers > acquired in my early 20's - probably brought on by > the communal home I lived in!) Wow.
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14 days ago
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Reep wrote: The churches that still allowed people to exercise a modicum of free will have been closed down one way or another. What seems to remain are a few churches which are entirely dedicated to slavishly follow Hargrave's random thought process. No room for individual thinking. Do you remember the feast services in the late 80's-early 90's (I think) when Silas would stand
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