Both my doctor 's and LE's consistent reference to "responsibility" is the most deeply embedded meme for me. After the "love-bomb" phase of my visits with the doctor, he started slipping in the suggestion that I was the "common denominator" in any and all problems, but at the same time, and I didn't put 2 + 2 together at the time, he would say that pe
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Wolfy, I did the Forum and seminar series and asked you questions somewhere in these threads, but you didn't reply.
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While researching a possible business venture, I came across an ad for this company in a highly regarded entrepreneural journal. The more I read, the weirder it got. An excerpt.. "We attract everything that manifests in our lives. No being or situation can ever inflict anything on us and we can never be victims. We are the creators of our own reality. Whatever we put our attention o
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Most cosmetics firms have big swanky offices because they are all about image. There is nothing unusual in the ingredients list, nothing all that different from most upper end cosmetics lines. Since my skin is very sensitive, I've researched many cosmetics companies and their ingredients and am tempted to give Nu-Skin a try. According to their website, distributorships are available.
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Concerned Oz, There is a website called that has a lot of info about cults, mind control and resources from professionals involved in cult recovery. They might be able to put you in touch with someone in Australia.
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Oops - my post up there should have been in Corboy's meme thread. Sorry
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After I realized I'd been screwed emotionally and physically, it was tough to trust anyone. I didn't seek help for a few months, and when I did, I went to the college counselling center, specifically to a counselor who had a little background in eastern philosophy. However, since he was unfamiliar with LEC, it appeared that I just didn't get what the doc and forum leader was ta
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Your post and links bring to mind two issues for me, one related to LEC and the other to therapy in general. QuoteThey are stored in human brains and passed on by imitation. As examples he suggested “tunes, ideas, catch-phrases, clothes fashions, ways of making pots or of building arches.” My doctor had the luxury of spending about 2 yrs with me planting LEC ideas in my brain. The most
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all the articles on Rick Ross.com?? I hope you don't blame us for being a bit suspicious. It seems as if you're asking for info that already has been well researched and published. Also, as far as getting our story out, would this project extend outside of your class? I admit to being a bit paranoid when it comes to LEC, but the promise of getting my story out has been used to bite
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There were rumors that it was a cult because we sang at sales meetings and Mary Kay's personal philosophy was JOY (Jehovah, Others, Yourself), but this was not pushed down anyone's throat. I had a lot of fun selling the product. There was also money to be made in recruiting - a minimal override on the sales of recruits - something like what happens at the cosmetics counter I work at
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anything I've written on this forum for your project. Do a Google search and you' ll find plenty of information, both pro and con. Thanks. Hope
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people attend any one of the LEC programs. My introductory night had at least 200. I haven't been to other venues, but I'm sure sites like NYC pack in more.
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Sone of his credentials were bogus. He left the country.
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My doctor was a Landmark junkie, yet did not disclose that detail about himself when he treated me for a common ailment. He used landmark tech on me covertly and then finally, about 1-1/2 yrs of being my doctor, persuaded me to try landmark. I'm still amazed how after only mentioning LED as an aside ("I have a friend who had the same problem you have that did something called Landmar
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That certainly is an interesting perspective. I did not experience anyone approaching me after the forum, nor did any of the other "survivors" who bailed out of Landmark. I don't remember anyone getting up talking about plans for anything other than, in general, finding work they liked. It did however concern me that a large group of moderators were back there taking notes,
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You are so fortunate that you did not get sucked into the love-bombing that goes on the first day, that the volunteers did not try to persuade you to stay, and that your parents did some homework on your behalf. I hope jon isn't pressuring you to try it again. Thing is, you have no idea going into a Forum what it is like. If they told you, you wouldn't have even considered it.
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This conference has been cancelled.
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Ann, Need more info - there's a few companies by that name and none look suspicious.
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There is a cult that convinced parents to place their kids into a "rehab" home - normal rowdy teenagers, some not so rowdy - here in NJ. Some of these kids spent years in what has recently been discovered to be a cult.
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Thought this might be of interest and use to those in the northeastern part of the US.
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Amazing to look back and see how I defended Landmark. I still have setbacks of depression and a feeling of loss of self and that anything matters. I'm functioning ok and have done a lot of things these past two years, but it's a robot-like feeling some times.
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as recruitment goes, so says a psychologist who is also a volunteer for LE. Many people had dropped out of the Seminar Series after the first sessions, too. It seems the Seminar Series is the training camp for prospective Forum leaders. After sending a letter to voice my dissatisfaction with the Forum and subsequent Seminar Series, I waited and waited for a response. In the meantime, th
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helped me get a full refund from Landmark.
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My apologies for not being clear. I'm trying to find info on personal relationships, i.e. abusive spouses or significant others. Do these relationships have the same mind control issues that cults have? Most info out there pertains to the "victim" being codependent, but I think that by stating that, it stops any further thought or conversation about other issues that might be m
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Hi Larry, That's a great article. I'm also looking for info on how the person being controlled thinks. Much of what is discussed in therapy and on support forums is "what was the "victim's" responsibility," and the conversation generally focuses on analyzing the victim's childhood. While some interest is directed at the abuser's past, it is minim
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I rec'd an email advertising a retreat entitled "Ancient Wisdom, Modern Knowledge", and I was curious because my ND used the same name. I asked for bios on the instructors. The first email reply was - "Yes, may we ask why you want bios?" They eventually sent the bio and now I know why they were a bit apprehensive. This is the Ramtha School of Enlightenment tour, now
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Rec'd this email today... Dear , Michael Skye, here with an important notice. One of the members of our site has some stock in Landmark Education to sell. I am happy to be able to pass this opportunity on to you. Here is Wendy: Hello, Michael has given me permission to write this to you all. My name is Wendy Moscovis and I am an ex staff member of Landmark Education wh
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LoriS, You are not alone. My ND and I discussed Zen and lots of other stuff, all the while he wa using LGAT technology on me. As he twisted a lot of really beautiful concepts into something ugly, I just completely avoid anything pertaining to meditation, Buddhism, holistic, and a host of other things. I keep telling myself to look at the intention of the person doing the teaching, but it�
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The popular reasons given by psychologists about why people stay in abusive or controlling relationships are denial, fear of being alone, financial, religious views on divorce, unresolved childhood issues and codependency. While these may all be valid reasons, is there not some element of mind control? Folks like Oprah and Dr. Phil seem to have their favorite question that starts with &qu
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I caught part of a Dr. Phil show about obesity, hosted by Katie Couric. Phil's assessment is that it's a choice. A medical doctor was on who politely disagreed with him and gave some info on leptin, a substance in the body that programs how a person gains or loses weight. Dr. Phil, in response to Katie asking him his thoughts on what the doc said, seemed to say he agreed, and IMO tw
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