Hi Prettyboy - The disingenuous reference by changedagain I believe is to the responses from the leaders - they pr4omised investigations and counseling but so far I have heard from several people who have called the investigation number and who have never been called back and I also understand the counseling has not been followed through with. The apologies came with promises of reform but the
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I find myself still softening towards JRS once in a while. Then I come across publications that describe the manipulation and mind control techniques that he used on all of us and I can only shake my head. The keys provided by the writings I referenced on evaluating and manipulating people could be a textbook for exactly how JRS conducted the "family counseling" session I had with h
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Okay CARe - You better pm me so I don't go nuts trying to figure out who you are. Welcome to this forum regardless. It's a great place to find support and give support. Thanks for your words. I spent much of the day perusing and pondering... I was looking up a book on Anaheim that my good friend referred me to called "Rape of the Mind" from decades ago about mind control
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JJJ - I am in a time of refreshing right now and although I still flinch sometimes when discussing Christian beliefs, I am once again finding I can look at the Bible without flinching. My belief system is not as touchy-feely as it once was, for want of a better description, but I am aware that healing is coming in for me from many directions. Thank you. Amos - SO glad my former animal experi
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NancyB - Thank you for your post about Marilyn. Every time someone remembers their reaction to her as negative, it helps strip away another layer of my own conditioning. Marilyn was the person who "love bombed" me most when I came in the walk/cult. We had things in common like designing and sewing our own clothes so we could relate on a personal level. When I became a regular, I sat
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My heart goes out to all of you who are in the polar vortex. Crazy weather. Please stay safe and warm. JJJ - Perfect description of the polar vortex we knew as Marilyn. I have been experiencing a refresh of old memories of horrors in the way she treated her slaves, like me. I can use all the levity possible! I like it when this forum gets lively. There has been some second-generat
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Thank you Disillusioned. I agree wholeheartedly. One thing I have learned from being part of this forum (which saved my life) is that Rick Ross (who is a renowned expert) is very alert to any time someone tries to place blame on the victims of cults because what the cults have done to each and every one of us had nothing to do with our choices. The walk/cult was in the business (big busine
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Stardomino1 - Welcome to this forum by the way. But also thank you for your "wondering" questions. VERY important. I have heard some chatter that the loyalists who are choosing to be sad about the younger generations who endured such horrible personal violations at the hands of TLWF leaders are also choosing to throw hatred in the direction of those of us from older generations who
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Forensic accounting. Hmmmm. In a divorce in California, when there is a dipute over the division of property the accountants do what is called a "tracing." When I was still over accounting at TLW, and then got involved in helping JRS with his divorce, I did a detailed tracing for most of the property that had been alleged belonged to JRS personally, versus the reality that most was
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OH GOD - I mean Shlomo NOT Shalom. I almost threw up when I read my typo. And all that I just posted is just from the depths of my own speculation. But worth considering. I heard statements made about all the reports on FB etc. being called lies to those who participated in the last Irael trip, I know the names of directors in trusted GH backed roles and I just think there's something
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For your consideration... There are those with a constant presence in shepherding, working with youth groups traveling to Israel, etc., being a corporate director and trustee for many of the corporations under the TLWF umbrella, was also a shepherd along with his wife during many times that other shepherds have been called out for. I knew (slightly) Bruce and Gilee Larson many years ago and h
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Jez - I just love you. And I understand completely. From the beginning as people started coming out of the woodwork to expose their stories, I felt there was really a sense of care and respect for one another and CLEARLY people have to follow what is right within their hearts and what is best for their families. I have never wanted anyone to feel pushed into participating in anything. If t
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Pondering the imponderable. When I was a lawyer, people would ask me how to avoid being sued. With terror in their eyes one would say, "Can they sue me?" "I don't want a lawsuit!" People are going to sue you for anything and everything. You cannot stop that from happening. There is no such thing as preventing a lawsuit. But you can be as prepared as possible fo
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JRS maintained the 10 services a week but I don't think G&M ever tried to keep up that type of schedule. They changed everything which was probably a relief for all of the people but I doubt that had anything to do with their changes. Ever. Maybe G&M replaced the service schedule with the heavy sex schedule they talked about in all those meetings with the singles and the young p
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I went to the TLW.org online store and looked at some of the stuff you can get for free. I was hoping some of the old tape catalogs would be available but I didn't see them. I was able to download a copy of the full This Week list and a few pdf's of chapters from some of JRS' books. There is a taped message by Marilyn in late 1982 about the ministry to the word ministry and I cou
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I still have a lot of family members who live near Shiloh. I received the following report from one of them from the Wednesday night meeting. Shiloh Report 1-16-19 There was an extra dumpster at Shiloh over the weekend while the TLW people were there removing files and either packing or destroying them. The dumpster is gone tonight. On Monday it was still there but after dark all that cou
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I believe this is accurate - at least it is accurate in my faulty memory. JRS usually (most of the time) gave messages (i.e. spoke the "WORD") out of what he was experiencing or hearing about in his own life. I always remember him talking in one service about standing by his driveway looking at the roses that were beautiful and some were the size of cabbage. He said it was a beauti
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Changedagain - I need a permanent residence. Always wanted to live on a boat like Travis McGee. Eh?
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OMG Amos - You are on a roll! Sorry to hear about Andy, but not surprised since he was a bucket with holes in it. Cash-in - Bless-in. I can't stop laughing. Someone relatively new to this forum has said the humor here is very appreciated and helps a lot with the transition OUT. So good job all you funny guys. And once again, three cheers for this forum. Thank you Rick Ross.
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Amos. Where's Andy? He could probably help you raise money for that yacht. Just make up a fake reason for how much healing and pursuing the kingdom can be achieved on your yacht and there are many who would love to have place to tithe just now.... Callme? I have posted jumbo posts of information on this forum and may have covered the Blix House. If not, I would be happy to write anot
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Wow! I forget to check this forum for a few days and I miss so much! It has been a crazy couple of days. There is a new FB group called "TLW Relate & Communicate" and a few different people sent me copies of posts from that site that were horrible. Shallow, uneducated, lacking in common sense and decency - which maybe should be expected by a group of people still supporting TLW
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Prettyboy - A lot of help moving the train forward with no caboose in sight.
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JJJ - I am halfway through your book and I want to say: THANK YOU. I want to find a way to distribute it more widely, especially to many family members I have who are either out of the walk church for many years, leaving that fellowship now, or some who have decided they want to stay in the church and try to move forward under some of the past teaching. I want them all to see your book and I
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Thanks PressingOn. Pretty Boy - I didn't mean to sound mad or snarky at you. There is a lot of "negative press" floating around in the locations that are having prayer for Gary and I guess even for Rick. There are people calling those of us who are active in exposing the truth, "satan." And those who won't believe "the lies" as the true and faithful
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Hi All - I have heard that Gary owns 51% of MFC but it may be that HFM owns 51% of MFC. The property being sold is in the name of MFC but as with any of the financial dealings in TLWF over the last few decades, everything is in question. There will be a complete reckoning. Prettboy - Are you John Snow in GOT? He's the only pretty boy I can think of (ha/ha just kidding) But Pretty
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The lexicon should include the concept of "getting a word." I remember when JRS would tell people to get married and sometimes it was just so creepy. In my younger years I remember being in fear that JRS would tell me I had to marry some creepy ministry or ministry's son. All the "girls" feared that back in the 70's. Not once did it enter our minds that we co
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JJJ - THANK YOU for the picture of my dad's gravestone. I appreciate your time and effort very much. My dad was never a member of the church but he made the arrangements to be buried at Shiloh when he knew he was dying of cancer. Ron Caquelin at Shiloh was in charge of the cemetery at that time and I remember teasing him about making sure there was space for my mom and I to be buried ne
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Walked - Thank you for what you wrote. You expressed the pain I have felt so deeply since I realized so much of my life was given under false pretenses - and we are just 2 of the hundreds and thousands of people who made decisions exactly as you described. I became part of this forum as well as the Facebook groups and many private discussions because in realizing I couldn't get back th
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When I see various decor photos I always sense a value disconnect. What is worth a ton of money to some people is just poor taste to other people. If you've ever seen that house that was on reality tv for a while that is supposed to be the model of a French castle, it costs a lot but is the tackiest thing I've ever seen. SoBelt - You said: I hope you all know what a huge relief it
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Just meandering through the cult lexicon and I wonder if we could point out where some of the words seem to cross each other out. Like bucket with holes and zero with the rim rubbed out. Devastation and Cross Experience are two similar terms that allowed the leadership to look on someone who had been hurt/damaged/abused and just congratulate them on going through devastation without ever ta
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