Great to hear from you again dbc! I didn't know that about the Iowa Church. Rebels without a Claus. changedagain I think you meant to say I "didn't" believe they were Christ? "BTW, I have to admit that I was never able to gaze into another person's eyes and sing to them as though they were Christ in the flesh. I think the root of the problem was that
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > changedagain wrote > > > > If they would like to add a Mormon holiday I > would > > suggest Pioneer Day. It is celebrated on July > 24 > > of each year. It celebrates the entry of > Mormons > > into Salt Lake valley in 1847, after the long > > journey westward t
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I appreciate Reepicheep's and Larry's insights about celebrating Christmas. It's sad neither of you were a voting member on the LW Committee to Save Christmas. Oops! What was I thinking? There never were any committees and no one was ever allowed to vote on ANYTHING.
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Invisble said JRS didn't require anyone to stop celebrating Christmas. Yet most of us felt compelled to give up Christmas. Was that a cult dynamic? I think what I have learned in the forum about what happens in cults as they grow and as the Walk grew particularly among young people, so does the influence (power and control) over the members. JRS's charismatic ministry drew in people so
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I love lights and stuff. I didn't know how to tell my parents about the Walk's Christmas conspiracy. I told my Mom I did not want to go to the Christmas party because it wouldn't please God. She got angry. My family did not see these pagan holidays as pagan.
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Also, you previously mentioned that your parents > were in Impact. In my opinion, Impact and other > related "kingdom businesses" were a cult within a > cult. They considered themselves JRS' elite > intercessors. If the Walk could be compared to the > Army, then Impact conside
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Great post Reepicheep. I'm glad you decided to jump in and share your experience. Extracting oneself from the LW really can be complicated, but the freedom is well worth it. Please feel free to chime in with your insights at anytime.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The result of Tuesday's election is significant > for the future of our country, I think. I just > hope the Alabama folks have a revelation of Roy > Moore, and vote the way God wants them to. ;) IMO most likely divine revelation charismatic folks say they get from God is hogwash. Yet, the notion
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > “Roller coaster from hell” > > > > Sounds like an AC/DC song. > > "Hey mama, look at me > I'm on my way to the promised land, > I'm on the highway to hell > Highway to hell&qu
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Welcome to the message board Tknc. I think there's a lot to be learned from the children who were born into the Walk. Thank you for sharing your story. IMO much of what JRS taught was classic Pentecostalism and an openness to the continuation of the gifts. But then there was that continuing revelation thing JRS said he walked in--that it was equal to scripture. And it seems most who were par
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lily: > "Towards the end of my stint at Shiloh, I was > getting pretty sick and tired of ministries taking > their own imagination for the voice of God." > > That, in a nutshell, explains the insanity we were > subjected to. God forbid that we ever applied > logic or reason t
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NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > lily: my dad thought John's gift was nothing more > than that of a psychic medium. Just like Edgar > Cayce. Dad used to read 20th Century Theologian, > AW Tozer, "99.9% of what you see out there that > claims to be the gifts of the Spirit is not of > God." I wish I had been obed
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > N&D, for me it was many things. But a major > factor in my deciding to leave was a deep > unhappiness I felt. I had a great disappointment > in what I had believed in, how it did not come to > pass. And also the realization that many people > were receiving deep emotional damage by this cult
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > “When I tried to discuss my questions and > concerns with my leaders, I got no answers. They > just got angry with me for questioning. If you were a newbie to the LW, you could make a gaffe and not feel ostracized. When I began attending services in the Valley, every Thursday morning JRS would mini
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I appreciate reading how Larry Bobo has made sense of his experience in the LW cult on what could have been for him a life shattering experience. His reflections show me how each persons journey after exiting is uniquely personal. I'm still unable to join much of anything and others like Larry can join a mainstream church. But I think Larry, many in the forum, and I share the same view that
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That’s where the > narcissistic behavior we were talking about > earlier is so evident – “It’s all about me > and screw everyone else that may be wounded by > what I do”. That is not love! > > Many of us felt John had a revelation word that > was unique to this generation. I later disc
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To NickleandDime's comment about the hoagies and CA's comment about the restricted tapes, I recall a number of church members promoting healthy eating. I heard that in a restricted tape, JRS said the Sons of God would be able to eat nails. Spooky.
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Remember singing "How Great is our God," over and over during worship? The following link is about how the song writer is caught up in a cult.... "How one of the world's most beloved worship songs reportedly helped fuel spiritual abuse."
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NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> > > "Psychological Autopsy Malignant Narcissist Church > Leadership" is great too. It's 3 parts. The link > below is to Part 1. Part 3 is the most > interesting. You can google that link. > I thought the malignant narcissist part 3 was very interesting. Following I
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 40yearsin2016 wrote: > > QuoteHow many times did I hear JRS talk about > being re-energized in his spirit when preaching - > being able to go on for hours without any > fatigue. > > The professionals have a term for this: > narcissistic supplies. > I had a few aha moments as a resu
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > I was reading an article about President Trump > where the author was convinced that he fit the > clinical definition of a narcissistic personality > disorder as stated in the Diagnostic and > Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders used by > psychiatrists. I’m not a big Trump fan, but
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes. They say the books are open for inspection. > But don't you dare ask to look at them. You will > be labeled "a gourd". That's a sure sign the members are not being fed, but shorn. Didn't Miller have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. That too is a sure sign someone wrong
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > RD was quite the showman wasn't he? Especially > in his wildcat pentecostal days. He also was quite the doomsday false prophet. R D Cronquist of Grace Chapel, California, predicted the end within 40 years of the birth of Israel in 1948. The book The True Believers (1986) quoted Pastor Cronquist as
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HIGH-FIVE FRIDAY > > > LY0TbqsqhR4bql1HM2pEXS-KxqxP227Jc Too funny kBOY. I read a book on death and dying. The author said a few weeks before his wife died, she couldn't move her arms or hands until a few minutes before she passed. He was sitting at her side and she raised both arms and hands to the
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NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Seems like the whole world's gone mad in the > last > > 3 months. Gosh, if I was still in the cult, I > > could just relax and be assured that G & M were > in > > control and ev
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NickleandDimed Wrote: > Some think Donald Trump is mentally ill. I > remember an elder who behaved like DT. Impulsive, > obsessive, etc. At an elder's mtg he said God > showed him a certain woman in the church was a > Jezebel. He had a sex dream about her. Pastor went > along with it. Pastor had already been accused of > sexual inappropriateness. The elder'
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Someone who specializes in treating alcoholism and > other addictions > told me that anyone with a chemical or process > addiction should, > after detox, be routinely evaluated in case they > have depression, bipolar, learning disabilities, > ADD, ADHD and or histories of trauma/molestation. >
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I also think that the whole emphasis on > travail, > > intense intercession and screaming at God > > certainly doesn't help. You get so focused on > the > > unfulfilled promises and p
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I also think that the whole emphasis on travail, > intense intercession and screaming at God > certainly doesn't help. You get so focused on the > unfulfilled promises and prophecies that it just > sets you up for a lifetime of torment and > depression. > > So much for inner peace
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