Clearly a cult by 1957 when the First Principles were written. Here's a definition from the First Principles. Submission is the accepting of control or authority of another by being obedient and compliant to those over you in the Lord.
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Nephilim spouses, nephilim hair dressers, triads of nephilim, 6 toed nephilim giants, UFO nephilim, it's like we were in the church of science fiction.
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Invisible, During the intercession against Martha which was probably very humiliating for her, I recall hearing among friends that we should not have sympathy for her because we would open ourselves up to transference of her satanic spirit to ourselves (truly, I never understood what it was all about). Do you think that was off? If you have any light to shed on that regarding Martha, I still
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If I remember correctly, the no-sympathy mode was reinforced by the teaching that if you sympathized you opened yourself up to transference of the person's demons, illness, psychosis etc.
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paleface wrote: If you came into the Living Word cult while in your teens or early 20's, I'm fairly certain that your adult growth was heavily stunted. Now that I am out, I'm having to learn these adult skills. larry bobo wrote in part: Is there evidence of the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, gentleness...) _______________________________
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > If the Spirit searches all things (I Cor 2:10) > then it is part of our very makeup to follow suit > (I Thess 5:21). Questioning is the Spirit’s > nature, a deeper part of God. > > Whether intentional or not, the “Walk” took > away our objectivity, and when you lose your > objec
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FCSLC Wrote: You can’t be God if your teaching is faulty. _______________________________________________________________ What a good way to sum it up. While one is in a cult questioning any of the teachings or practices is no different from questioning God himself. That's part of the indoctrination. Disobedience to the cult teaching and practices is considered disobedience to God. If
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I do like it when the big guns show up in these posts because we should test all things by the Scripture, even God's "anointed". The Bereans were praised for scrutinizing even the words of the apostle Paul (Acts 17:11). I don't think that anyone's teachings and actions are beyond scriptural examination; it's so Biblical.
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To quote Clint Eastwood, you just made my day.
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I know, digging deeper and understanding the LW wasn't what we thought it was is truly healing. Couldn't agree more that the army mentality cult chain of command is so ridiculous.
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Different strokes for different folks. I think for some of us the teaching was a snare. Larry Bobo once posted that many of the folks who contacted him some ten years ago said they lost their communion with God. I think in some way we are trying to share what worked for us to set us free from the snare.
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Larry Bobo in past posts discussed the circumstances surrounding the suicide of Mike Wood. I used to think that I would be yapping about that in heaven making sure those who may have been responsible were held accountable. Now I realize that won't be my role in heaven. There were be justice for Mike; I trust God for that.
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > The history of where John attended services , > preached or taught, whether he left or whether he > was kicked out of any of the churches because of > this or because of that - does it really matter? > John is not here to speak for himself. __________________________________________
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > I think that Branham pre-dates JRS enough, that it > was more likely that JRS was getting the Branham > teaching and re-hashing it and feeding it to us > and calling it new wine. _________________________________ The Latter Rain teachings seem to have been formulated around 1948. My reco
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FCSLC Wrote: > ----------------------------------- > I suppose this forum is helping us to realize that we’re far down a path > that most “Christians” haven’t travelled. _______________________________________________________ Although in our country we have freedom to choose and practice our religion, we aren't protected from the crazies. If we are going down a path that is
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If you are interested and have some time,the following read is long but the insights are something else: Goggle Apostasy The Latter Rain Heresy, then click Full text of "Anointing or Apostasy? The Latter Rain." The website is
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> > I Googled, “Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God > Doctrine,” and there were many sites to choose > from. I looked at a couple of sites and was > surprised at how many terms, passages, inferences, > thought patterns and general themes presented that > were completely familiar to me. I know the
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I always wondered about this incident. If John > didn't want to be deified, why didn't he gently > correct Happy Clark? It hinted to me that John > might possibly be off the mark at this point. > Years later, I remember Gary reinforcing this > idea. He implied that John was the Word &g
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changedagain Wrote: Conversations with Clint ___________________________________________________ Clint Eastwood? Really?
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In reference to similar posts by paleface & > changedagain ----------- “I think a big "red > light" moment for me happened in the Anaheim > church. JRS was talking and Happy Clark stood up > and said "Brother Stevens, you're the Christ". > John just chuckled and said someth
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jhorning, Don't know about Johnny Gun but a while back you asked about Damon Davis and Rocky from the farm. Damon was always trying to introduce us to herbs and healthier eating. A group of us went with Damon on a survival trip to the mountains with a goal of only eating what we could get from the woods. We survived a day and then went to a 7 eleven for chips. Damon was disappointed. Tha
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Can you imagine a student challenging TLWF interpretation of Romans 8:19 regarding the manifestation of the sons of God by citing other scholarly commentaries. Would the student receive a lower grade? BTW, I received a private message from a Ross Cult Education troll suggesting that Paleface replace the word boink with stup as this word is Jewish and more current.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's a lot of money to pay to learn how to boink > your secretary. _________________________________________ From the urban dictionary. Boink a word that your parent's use to describe sex to you even when you are an adult.
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In addition Changedagain, add to your list Living Word Fellowship Trust and Shiloh University. I'm inspired by Paul, "Unlike so many, we do not peddle the Word of God for profit." (2 Corinthians 2:17)
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Correction to above post: Acre St (not Avery St). Kevin Hargrave sold the property to G&M and then it appears the three of them, Kevin and G&M were listed as owners of the Acre home.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin is Gary's personal assistant. Used to be > Kevin Davison, but changed his last name to > Hargrave. I guess to prove how much of a son to > Gary he is. _________________________ So Gary adopted him. One of the real estate transactions on Avery St listed Kevin Hargrave as seller and Gary H
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Also the Hargrave Family Ministries Corp (a tax exempt status as it is a church) set up in 1982 seems to have preceded the set up of the Hargrave Family Trust (like a will but used to transfer family assets to beneficiaries privately without going through probate) which came after the G&M marriage. Does anyone know who is Kevin K. Hargrave? His name appears on real estate transactions and
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Kudos to those brave pioneers that first broke the silence......... > You each helped liberate me. I can't thank you enough. _______________________________________ I 2nd that. Also would give a Factnet shout out to Dew Drop and Link for really brave transparency and forgiving. It was a big take away f
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Ditch Digging Yasper, Thanks for sharing. It's refreshing to hear a youthful point of view. (There's a lot of grandpas on this site.)
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Escaping was liberating, but > being fully convinced in all aspects is much > better. > This means we can’t be labeled as “rebellious > spirits” or “blowouts” or > “anti-Christ’s” or “contaminating > spirits” and so on especially in our own minds. > ________________________________________
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