Thanks Invisible. I think because we had "submission" and more "submission" to church leaders on every little aspect of our lives shoved down our throats (and oftentimes they didn't have a clue about the mind of the Lord), entrusting oneself to the Word of God through the Bible becomes so meaningful. Not only did Jesus speak about not entrusting himself to man becau
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larry bobo Wrote: A fresh look at the Jesus of the gospels and putting into practice his teachings does heal. For me, that meant going through many layers of forgiveness until I received a heart that wanted to do good to those who had done bad to me. Even more important, I wanted to know Him more than my own frailties or the frailties of others – He is the only one that can mak
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Minor clarification of prior post. The "L" in ISIL stands for Levant and refers to mapping of the middle east that has been redrawn again and again over many decades. The concern of the use of the term Levant is that Islam may think it validates their claim that Israel doesn't exist. The Obama admin continually tries to get Israel to give up land which seems to be a dismissal of
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paleface Wrote to TLWF: Maybe you would like to tell us we are in serious jeopardy for criticizing God's elect. changedagain Wrote: I think one simple criteria to determine whether something is a cult, or has the potential to become a cult, is whether the leader(s) allow others to monitor their ministry. John was fiercely independent, even when preaching the need for the
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Disclaimer: If you are skeptical about the existence of God you many not want to read this post. Lately I have been thinking about the delusion God says he will send in the end times. It's interesting to me that just as the state of Israel was being formed in 1948-49 as part of the end time fulfillment mentioned in the scriptures, the Latter Rain movement began which I am inclined to beli
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Invisible I don't understand exactly what your expectations are for this forum. On this forum members current or past have permission to talk and not be shunned or silenced. Members can share their stories which may help them process their personal loss, rejection, trauma, whatever and understand they are not alone. But members may still see those who caused their rejection or trauma as
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Lamp, At the time I saw Ted Turner on CNN he was contrite because he had lost CNN estimated at the time to be worth 7 billion. Today its estimated value is 80 billion. At the time, I imagine losing CNN was a hard for him. I didn't say that things became hard for him because he said Christian's were losers. My point was that life can be a test, even for titans like Ted Turner.
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Some years ago on national TV Ted Turner announced that Christians were losers. Then a few years later I saw him on 60 Minutes. He looked like zero with the rim rubbed out. He lost everything. I remember writing this note to self, embrace it...this life is a test; pretty much all you have to do is remain faithful.
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Paleface, thanks for pointing that out. I dug a little deeper into some of the psychologist's thoughts on RTS and came across one victim's complaint that seemed to border on the ridiculous..."rapture anxiety." I don't thing anyone in our little cult has that affliction.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > FCSLC Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I’m quite confident TLWF leadership has > > “secret formulas” useful in group settings > to > > generate a general psychic/spiritual assault on > > the target. > > It usually involves progr
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FCSLC Wrote: Sorry, just babbling away------it was fun. (So, what kind of male spirit do I have??) _______________________________________________________- FCSLC: Having read and enjoyed your post I'd say you are a "man's man spirit." Now don't let this go to your head but I have submitted your post in its entirety to the magazine GQ for the Reclaime
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My understanding the term "woman's spirit" JRS coined meant for example a wife who belittled, criticized or put down her husband rather than do what was necessary to bring forth his ministry. It's ironic that under TLWF wives were expected to employ that same "woman's spirit" that JRS detested to kill the "man's spirit" and bring the husband into
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Given all the so called cult watches and studies, it's interesting that G&M have managed to stay under the radar so far, maybe because their following is so small. My hope is that God plans to tell some Yasper I will kill you if you don't publish a detailed history and expose of TLWF cult.
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So the man's spirit has nothing to do with how he treats his wife; it's all about Marilyn. Jesus-Mary-Joseph.
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changedagain Wrote: > I recall my wife running something by Marilyn that > illustrated my resistance to having my male spirit > destroyed, and she simply said "kill him." > Fortunately, I never been easy to kill, and I'm > alive to this day. Psychologically wounded, but > alive. To my wife's credit, it's not her nature to > destroy, so her lev
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Reclaimers! I like the article's use of the term Iron age hierarchy. The quote from the self loathing middle aged college professor...that's me on a bad day.
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I sometimes wonder if JRS coined the term "woman's spirit" one day after Martha said to him in a sharp tone, "You, Apostle to the Kingdom. Take out the trash."
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Minor correction: the alternate rock song lyrics > (Chicken Soup songbook) were mostly written by Tom > Miller, not John Miller. (not related) ________________________________________________ EDIT my prior post. If Tom Miller was the whack-a-do walker who wrote those songs, I can't find a reason then
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, I don't think he was in it for the > money...and I figure the pension that was withheld > from him (assuming that decision still stands) > could have made his latter years a bit more > comfortable. > Meanwhile, the Hargraves have the maintenance of > million dollar properties to
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filthy apron Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My last post was cut off... > I will not go into specifics on the abuse but feel > free to message me if you want to know or even > care. At this point it's like picking thru ancient > hefty bags full of crap BUT if it would help > someone else I'm willing to discuss. ______________
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I know you know he wasn't some kind of Gandhi. Yea, I have fond memories of Miller too. Those militant lyrics he gave to some of our favorite rock and role songs. Can't get them out of my head.
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I wonder if many of the leaders who left weren't more submissive to man than they were to God and I imagine many of them moved on unscathed. Invisible once pointed out in response to one of my questions that there are "agreements among men." Sounds vague but I think I know what that means. When I was at Shiloh a young woman in my dorm room was being paid a great deal of attention
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filthy apron Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I found an old report card that was hysterical no > grades or progress reports academically but a boat > load of info on how my independent spirit was a > hinderance and how I needed to be educated on > becoming part of the upward flow, learn to sing in > the spirit and recognize auras. WOW
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Following are a few of my favs who have been excommunicated: Joan of Arc Martin Luther Napoleon Leo Tolstoy Jacqueline Onassis Kennedy Oh, if only there were do overs, I would submit a list of LW scriptural misinterpretations and errors and demand to be excommunicated.
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Welcome filthy apron. I remember Lee Bailey brought a group from the Grand Junction Church to the Valley Church in California and some of us from the Valley ran into Lee at a restaurant and had some drinks with him and some of his group. They were very friendly and JRS I think was kind of promoting their music worship. Also I knew Ron McNutt from the Valley who went on to pastor Colorado Spring
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What a lovely story FCSLC. My mom had a decline in her mental abilities during the last years of her life and caring for her was the best thing I ever did because it restored our relationship. So much of the LW's interference in not allowing children to truly honor their parents was/is wrong.
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During my post my phone was ringing and I rushed it so I screwed up the above Jeremiah citation. The last sentence should read, "So what will you do in the end." I was as much to blame in my adoration of super apostle. My lesson learned is the fruit of a cult is many disillusioned lives who end up thinking if this is Christianity then I'm out of here. But because I was as much to
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Others choose to remain an “employee” – “You seek God for me and tell me what He says” – afraid of personal responsibility. ------------------------------------------------------------- I recognize that this is likely true. And Invisible has posted that family in TLWF say they feel safe there. However in Jeremiah
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Ditch_Digging_Yasper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lamp, I've thought about that quite a bit. I think > it becomes less and less likely due to the free > flow of information online these days, but it > behooves us to make sure the truth about the walk > is easily available online. The only way people > get sucked in is if they don&#
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LampShmamp Wrote: > How do we know what Stevens was > worth, by the way? Has anyone ever gotten their > hands on his tax returns, divorce records, will, > bank statements, etc? Anybody ever actually trace > where all that money for property came from, or > verified where his assets went after his divorce > and death? Was ownership held mostly in his name > or i
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