Can't we just be friends on an equal basis and go fishing together? Fishing for trout in the High Uintas. We could enjoy the "Rocky Mountain High."
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There was a so called secret recording made by somebody attending a meeting that took place involving some top dogs supposedly in LA. I think it was Brenda Longest who played the extremely short recording for us at her apartment in SLC when just a few were there. Anyway, what truly sounded exactly like JRS talking said this, “Gina Kitchin……that dumb wop.” Gina was an original member of the Sa
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Previously: “A relationship with the Lord has never been about doctrines and the letter which Jesus violated on a regular basis.” ------------------- The best things are imbued Spirit to spirit unto each individual uniquely, “The Great Formless Silent Powerful Mystery (God)” makes alive the otherwise face of the deep for those concerned. TLWF hardliners never understood that God was wo
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Apostle Dog. Thank you for your honesty. You have confirmed many suspicions and your summaries makes one's heart, "soar like an eagle." Truth seekers have to put up with Babylon for the most part, but they will move up and on when something better comes along. Some from Salt Lake City were at that meeting at the Valley Church. The special ones (pre-chosen personalities) go
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That's you're.
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That's "you're"
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Drinking for fun is acceptable. Drinking because your trapped in a cult is a necessity.
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Previously: No theological training, heavy drinker, adulterer... You are the Christ!!! The perfect LW shepherd ------------------------ And............as said somewhere, "Here, take my wife, all my money, my dignity and in keeping with the First Principles I acquiesce to your superior mystical intellect enhanced by God. Please tell me how to live!
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I’m sorry lily rose, you are right on. Proverbs 10:19 --- “When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable, but he who restrains his lips is wise.”
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lily rose wrote: “what was really uplifting was to read the thoughts of an ex-living word member who doesn't impugn all of Christianity or the Bible.” ------------------ Some of my “best healing” occurred when I quit reading the Bible (I’m not lying). I have also enjoyed the healing on this forum where for the most part, the Bible itself is used to fight against Biblical Abuse. Keep
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Dear moderator (Rick Ross?). I might buy your book, but if I may, does it address the concept that perhaps all of Western Culture is under a “Biblical Spell” which has lent itself to increased “cult susceptibility” for those of us born in the United States?
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Some ramblings: No doubt there are many theological angles concerning Amos’ post. I would like to ask a Mormon whether it was Father God or Jesus who is responsible for murdering the 70,000. I would like to ask a dispensationalist/covenant theologian if the incident is mitigated because it happened before the “age of grace.” I would like to ask those who claim that these stories are written
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Amos. Your above post is great. It “Makes my day!”
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Does anyone remember the music tape titled, “Range Rider” that was produced by the LW? Part of the lyrics go like this, “Range Rider, Range Rider can you hope to find, that the desert and mountains will bring peace of mind?” I was always a “little person” so I have found myself singing that song while wandering the Great Salt Lake Desert dirt roads. I do believe there is more peace in the de
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From corboy’s : The Latter Rain movement has now become the latter day apostles and prophets movement that is also pietistic to the core. They claim special status that ordinary Christians know nothing about. ------------------- “Special Status” ------ there are 1,636 posts on this forum to date affirming the harm this attitude has caused. I think what Peter said is appropriate: “Their j
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I appreciate this forum. I can share “whatever” without resurrecting the old injuries of being rebuked, rejected, shunned or reminded in no small manner of my “spiritual underling status.” larry bobo wrote: “lily rose - The link you recommended (www.watchman.org/ProfilePatterns.pdf) was excellent. TLWF meets all four criteria.” Couldn’t agree more.
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paleface wrote: “Excellent point about John not being mainstream. I recall hearing how his congregations would completely turn over in the early days of Grace Chapel. He couldn't hold a congregation together. They would flee. I think there was a good reason for that. It wasn't until the late 60's that things took hold. As a group of "Jesus freak" hippies discovered John.
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Great Posts!!! lily rose-------I’ve added the quote to my “freedom verses list.” Very useful when delivering oneself from anal “Authority/Submission” freaks.
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Genesis 1:26-31. Creator God’s original idea/plan/commission to each individual entailing equality, freedom, exploration, blessing, growth and independence. ------------------- I should have asked my designated (minion) shepherd why he felt this great commission to each individual by Creator God was abrogated. I doubt he could have answered intelligently, being schooled only in the cultic
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This could be good news. Eventually everybody will be an “Apostle” or “Apostlette” and then we’ll be back to equality and a level playing field.
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If the “Divine Right of Kings” was the optimal form of government, then why is the Gettysburg Address cherished by hundreds of millions? If they want to go back to the “Dark Ages” then why are they still living in the “Land of the Free” with all of its benefits?? ------------------- From the First Principles: SUBMISSION: Is the accepting the control or authority of another, being obedie
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Faith Chapel in Salt Lake City was bought and paid for essentially by three families over a period of about twelve years. The Maxwell’s, the Bailey’s and the Kitchin’s. They were very dedicated, giving much more than ten percent in order to have a church building. In the early eighties, after John Miller installed Ron Court as the chief shepherd, things became intolerable. The Maxwell’s had
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I’m in favor of “freedom of religion” in America. Because of this right, a certain percentage of people are going to “make their living” selling their brand. As with any product, they will advertise their brand as the best, or the original, or the legitimate, or the most accurate or the only one Jesus approves. We as consumers should be able to discriminate among the choices available, no di
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“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” I honestly believe the above lines are more anointed than any Christian Scripture. My designated shepherd could sense this in me, and that is why there was constant unresolvable fri
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poliscigrad wrote: “I suspect that no one in the TLWF has any real authority. Gary and Marilyn exercise power, but not true authority. And, as far as I see it, anyone that remains in positions of authority as a pastor, associate pastor, school principal, etc., is complicit in the brute exercise of coercion against the people. I don't care how "good" their "hearts" are: t
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I’m willing to binge on Twinkies if it helps us recover the “healthy agency” mentioned by poliscigrad that so many of us once possessed before exposure to TLWF. I like the “terminology” being used by different posters. It can be compared to a barrage of different weapons and artillery focused on one main target. “Healthy Agency” --- if it can be taken away then it surely can be regained!
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lily rose wrote in part: “Think about it....the death prayers the godly church leaders were asking of and in some instances demanding of the congregation would make them sick.” ------------- The scriptures are against death prayers. Jesus is against death prayers. The Holy Spirit is against death prayers. God is against death prayers. Yet, we prayed death prayers and did intercession
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It would seem that humans are only allowed to bless others in word and deed. Contrary to Old Testament physical examples of conquest and genocide, Jesus prefers that we leave all the dirty work for the angels. For every action there is an equal opposite action, both physically and spiritually. (My brother in law firmly believes that “Nature has a way of correcting stupidity”)
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changedagain wrote: “I think the discipleship referenced by John in 'To Be a Christian' has been used to justify the domination of people's lives in TLWF by those in authority. Interestingly, I don't recall John himself ever submitting himself to someone else's interpretation of scripture. He seemed to be a fiercely independent man.” --------------------- Quotes f
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I really like the above posts. There was a time when I was in awe of God. There seemed to be no end to all the liberation, freedom and blessing. BUT the dominating lying false prophets (Jeremiah 14:14 quoted above) certainly destroyed the heavenly spiritual flow for many of us in the “Walk” -------knowingly or unknowingly is the question. A false prophet doesn’t know that he/she is false.
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