Proverbs 4:23 says, “Guard your heart above all else, for it determines the course of your life.” New Living Translation --------------------- When you first get kicked out or leave TLWF it’s like you’re away from it, but still looking and sensing the monster from a distance. The risk is whether or not Creator God is backing the monster or backing you. It’s a fear factor that has to be de
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SLC stands for Salt Lake City. There was a good sized Living Word Church named Faith Chapel in Utah from 1968 to 1986. I was a member from 1970 to 1985, hence the cover name FCSLC.
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Apostle Dog. I remember Harold Bailey talking about Bill Mabey crawling. Harold said, “It’s not of God,” but that was all. Harold and his family quit the church when he got back from California and moved to Tucson, AZ with no forwarding address except for those he felt he could trust. I wish Harold would have explained it in more detail (scripturally – he was a scriptural giant to many of us)
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Timid, meek, unassuming types get hammered in churches where the bullies always have a “word” for everyone else. It’s nothing but an ego booster for the Alpha Super Know It All’s.
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Saw enough posted in part on September 12, 2015 at 12:31AM: "By cutting people off from their personal relationship with the Lord and mocking their seeking of God as looking to "God in the sky" or "God in your brain" -- they installed themselves as the representatives of Christ-in-the-flesh to whom people had to submit." Apostle Dog posted in part on October
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According to Young’s Analytical Concordance (one of the books I didn’t burn after exiting the Walk) we have the following small sample of words used by the First Christ while on earth: Church --- Used three times all in Matthew. Submit --- Zilch, Zippo, Big Fat Zero. Submission --- Zilch, Zippo, Big Fat Zero, not even used in the whole New Testament. Without question the First Jesus i
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The onerous fruit produced by this cult is becoming second to none. Taking seriously anything interpreted, written, spoken or promulgated by them is totally foolish and nearly unforgivable.
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And for those of us who didn’t buckle under, we were labeled as rebellious contaminates. Witches, Sons of Anak, Sons of Korah, stains, blemishes, less than human, evil offspring, hated of God, anti-christ, full of witchcraft, demon possessed, deserving of punishment, needing to be shunned and banished and prayed against. And so it takes thirty years to reprogram the brain into realizing that
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Apostle Dog wrote in part: "that church I go to when I want to" -------------------- Those dreadful Babylonian churches where the congregates have all the freedom in the universe!
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changedagain's last post: John insisting that when he was starting out in his ministry if he knew of an Apostle he would crawl on his hands and knees to wherever he happened to be to learn from him. ------------------------ I could speculate the whole seductive agenda of learning secrets from wizards did not originate with John. That it was already a "common tool of the trade
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Edit above: in a cult.
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paleface: It didn't register in my brain that I was is a cult. For years I was at constant odds (extreme inner turmoil) with the local ministries. Being obligated (heavy on obligated) to submit to another human, whether an elder or heavy duty spiritual goes against everything in my inner being. If we're not born free to remain free, then could somebody explain to me how life can
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I'm really enjoying your posts Apostle Dog. It's opening eyes to the common freedom most people in America enjoy. Shopping for churches that "rightly align" with ones changing spiritual and social needs is not taboo, but a freedom that should be taken advantage of. Amazing. God doesn't hate or black list "church hoppers." On a second note: I have a har
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paleface wrote: "But just think how much that former affiliation causes you, now, to value your freedom so much more." --------------------------------- There is no end to freedom. It's similar to infinity, eternity and transcendence. Romping about the Lord's highest heavens is a privilege that freedom affords. You're free to move about the playground of the Mos
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paleface: Remember the movie "Shawshank Redemption." Andy moved on readily with his well thought out plan while Red was still needing permission just to go to the bathroom. Good posts!!!
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Edit above: supernova
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Nothing extraordinary will happen. Humans will go extinct as heaven and earth pass away in tandem with the Sun going super nova. Once we're elevated to a spiritual energy signature, then we'll actually understand it all. It won't sell. Sorry. CD's from the Living Word have a better chance.
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Apostle Dog wrote in part: "One last thing. I didn't mean by my last post, that I had found the perfect church, I don't know if there is such an animal." -------------------------------------- Earthly leaders say, "This will be a movement without leaders," but as long as these leaders remain on earth their statement has very little chance of being fulfilled.
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Apostle Dog: Your last post is so true. The church is “Babylon” when compared to Jesus' modus operandi.
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Like begets like as in "Jerks" beget "Jerks" ---- this much is certain. The two shepherd families (four adults -- militant loyalists) who were put in charge of the Salt Lake City Church were really feeling the power. One time the Sunday morning service was scheduled to start at 10:00am at a certain person's home. Well, the royals showed up at 10:45am in the church va
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changedagain: I do not know the amount but I’m certain is was sizeable. It still “chaps my hide” when remembering all the sacrifice the locals made just to have a church for their children to attend that was an alternative to the predominant faith of the region. In retrospect, the children may have grown up “more normal” if they had gone to the Mormon Church instead. Can’t believe I’m say
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The Salt Lake City church (Faith Chapel) was a gold mine. A nice building sitting on five acres of prime real estate on the east side. Location, location, location ---- well it had it all and a view of the valley. Anyway, I have to laugh Apostle Dog when you say, “Decided among themselves to stay open and just not affiliate.” All decisions were being made at the top. Four adults (Shepherds
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Saw enough wrote in part: “By cutting people off from their personal relationship with the Lord and mocking their seeking of God as looking to "God in the sky" or "God in your brain" -- they installed themselves as the representatives of Christ-in-the-flesh to whom people had to submit.” -------------- Bait and switch. Bait and make war against the words of Jesus. Unq
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Have to love the thought: “The baddies had enough rebellion in themselves to 'save' themselves.” Ah, in your face TLWF.
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Saw enough wrote in part: “if you've blurred the line between the Lord and Gary & Marilyn to the point where they're identical in your mind,” -------------------------- Governing principle of the JRS empire = Accept the control of earthly leaders over your life. Jesus in Matthew 23 = Call no one on earth leader. One is your teacher, He who is in heaven. ---------------
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Even if a person does find a “Perfect Man/Woman of God” then what? Are we supposed to glorify them, giving them our spirit, money, allegiance and all things? Do we throw out all previous learning and experiences and bow to a new found God? {{{ Ah, the Man/Women of God is among us, trumping everything the Creator God has ever deposited in our own spirits. Bow down and yield all!! }}} No w
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Rick Allan Ross (Moderator). Thank you for your decision. I have read theological books by Gordon Fee, F. F. Bruce, James D. G. Dunn, Richard Elliott Friedman, Ronald Y. K. Fung, Leon Morris, as well as nearly all the Joseph Campbell writings and many of the Upanishads. My point is that for some reason (unknown) the more effective rebuttal comes from those who actually lived under the Living W
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With “Divinely Appointed (Appointed by Stevens) Young Militant Loyalists” in place and in charge of all things who or what stood a chance. Certainly not prayer. The Bible had no chance. Logic and reason had no chance. Common human decency had no chance. Defenseless babes in Christ had no chance. God had no chance!!! Hell cult on earth to the extreme.
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changedagain asked: What's everyone doing today to feed into the Kingdom? (felt I should break the silence with a very pertinent question) ---------------- Thinking about a plus the Kingdom has provided: If captured by ISIS the shock won’t be as intense ----- Just more of the same when dealing with “Divinely Appointed Young Militant Loyalists.”
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Ahh. Apostle Dawg. Your last post are the words of a “True” shepherd.
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