YOU MIGHT BE AN LWF PASTOR (With a nod to Jeff Foxworthy) 1. If you believe that after a half-bottle of Jack Daniels the buzz you feel is the Holy Spirit moving — you might be an LWF pastor. 2. If you think a team building exercise is wrestling on your bed with a bunch of teenage girls who were sent over to clean your house while your wife was away — you might be an LWF pastor. 3. I
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HappySad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > King David? Really? Omg, vomiting, brb. So much > for Rick being gone...looks like he will be > controllng everthing and everyone of his loyal > followers from his “cave”. > > Onion, and others, what are your thoughts about > what is actually going to happen vs what Gary’s > letter and othe
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > courtroom scene: > Judge: How do you plead? > Rick: Not guilty, your honor. I am King David. I suppose it's possible. The guy could be King David. But the only way that could be true is if in addition to sexually assaulting women, he would have had to murder their husbands in order to take them as
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All these developments with TLWF reminded me of something written elsewhere about seven years ago: “A Word to the Living Word Fellowship,” When my wife and I left back in the nineties, around the time South Gate imploded, we wrote letters to G&M and others warning them about issues then and the consequences if they did nothing. My wife reminded me that in one of those letters I warned
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Happy New Year to all the posters on this forum! One thing we share is a history we are determined to never repeat. Some here post with humor and some far more seriously. There are some who post on this forum I am sure that I knew, but other than ChangedAgain who doesn't know that I know him, I don't know who you are. While I don't particularly miss the things we went through or
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Since you are posting here, apparently your wife never followed through -- unless it's all been a sham and she was just posing as you in SG. Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing you together.
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I knew Paul and Helen Young personally and a lot more happened than Helen being labelled a "Nephilm" (although I am sure that was possible given that I have been called the same). Being called a Nephilim, by the way, is something of an honorary title given only to very special people. John Stevens once said that most things are grey and streaky , and in the Young's case it was d
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Moderator, Either you misread or I miswrote -- but there was no intent to "victim bash." My intent was to offer an opinion that God's hand is in the things the believer goes through, even if that is a cult.
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As much as what happened in the "fellowship" was hard to take, I believe that the steps of a righteous man are ordered by the Lord. We may consider ourselves fools for associating with a group like that, and may regret the price paid both personal and otherwise, but I suspect that God's hand was in it more than we may ever know. When I wrote that God would be brought up on charg
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If you are interested in Old Testament examples of spiritual abuse, they aren't too hard to find. King David abused his authority when he sent Uriah to his death over Bathsheba, and David is often considered a type for the coming King of Israel who was Jesus. The unfortunate consequence of putting any man in charge of anything is that things are going to get messed up. Whatever sens
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Simpsons' fans may recall that Homer also predicted the end of the world, and also made a minor math error.
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It brings to meaning to "spirit filled" when the "spirit" is Jack Daniels, but you have to wonder when the message from someone who is wasted is more coherent than when they are sober!
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My wife and I tried several times to work with the Living Word Fellowship (TLWF) after we left over a decade ago. I was forced out in 1998 because I took exception to rubber stamped mandates being carried out in the local church without being submitted to the local elders for prayer first. I remember writing to the Hargraves that year, telling them that they may as well "take a shovel and bu
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The shame of it all is that all of us who were part of that, and gave our lives to it, hoped for something better. I am not so sure that the problem is that we cannot change, or did not change -- the problem is that the yardstick we used to measure change was given to us by people who forgot to use it on themselves first.
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Actually it is not working out -- those folks are nuts!
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That's Amos, not Anos ... You write like you may have had a bit of a rough time changeagain. Are you referring in your observations about designated relationships and the Hargraves getting away with anything they please to something specific that happened to you?
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Perhaps late to reply ... Its a little difficult to respond to some of your observations since the details are a bit vague. If you clarify what you meant by worship seeming more like self-worship and distorted or out of context scripture quotes, I will clarify what I can. As to your other questions and observations: Lack of Crosses ------------------ Churches in the fellowship tend to a
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