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13 years ago
elena
Quotesonnie_dee I remember doing integrity files as a staff member and they were the most painful things we had to do. we had to write down everything we were 'out' integrity on and share with our managers what we had written we then had to apologise to others impacted and create possibility. Centre managers were horrible to be around when they were doing their integrity files. I
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13 years ago
elena
Anyone ever hear of this? Ellen
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13 years ago
elena
QuotemuzakOh yeah, my buddy would talk about that all the time, being in integrity. The ironic thing was, this person was anything but, he would lie constantly to his significant other. Landmark or the idea that life is empty and meaningless, seemed to make it easier for my pal to do such things. Yup. That's how it works. If the person lied to feels hurt, betrayed, or taken advantage o
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13 years ago
elena
It's another one of Werner Erhard's attempts to extend his reach (and credibility). I thought it had passed out of existence but evidently not. Steven Pressman mentions it in "Outrageous Betrayal." Ellen
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13 years ago
elena
Thanks for posting this, Nettie. Lots of people wouldn't believe this but Landmark and all the other cults are constantly trolling for, screening, and sifting for "volunteer" labor (slaves) -- the turnover's pretty high. It's just business to them and what business wouldn't love to have workers they didn't have to pay. It's a great business model, you
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13 years ago
elena
Quotenutrino Strange too, that the culture at large has pretty much disposed of the idea of neurotocism as a category of persons. We now speak in terms of need for Seroquel or Abilify... yet the arena of unconscious fantasy, or phantasy remains rich and unexplored. Perhaps I've missed your meaning here or am being overly picky or pedantic (or merely out-of-date) but I don't think
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13 years ago
elena
Here's an interesting bit about "groupthink" from wikipedia. I've added comments . Symptoms of groupthink In order to make groupthink testable, Irving Janis devised eight symptoms that are indicative of groupthink (1977). 1. Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking. 2. Rationalising warnings that might ch
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13 years ago
elena
Quotecaligari Yup, the thing is the event was for those who already went through the Training (and probably a lot more). And those that purchase and listen to the tape have probably already gone through a bit. This would not be provided for people not familiar with est. You've already accepted a close friend or family members advice to do the est Training. You've gone through th
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13 years ago
elena
QuotevlindenOh, and I wanted to say -- Elena, you also are among my top three favorite writers and thinkers here on this board. There are many fine people posting here, but your articulate and meaningful insight really deserves to be collected into a book. I want to thank you for continuing to write here, this board is very important and you really are doing a service to the world by helping t
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13 years ago
elena
Quotecaligari The audio is a bit sped up (perhaps age of audio tape) -- makes Werner sound a like Mickey Mouse a bit ;) LOL... Mickey Mouse certainly fits the rest of his presentation. I swear I couldn't make heads or tails of whatever it was he was saying and I've decoded a lot of it over the years. And that nasally whine...made him sound like some third-rate Catskills s
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13 years ago
elena
Ackkk!!!! Makes me want to puke. I've never heard his voice for more than a short clip before. It's awful. Anyone else think he sounds like Schicklgruber? I've had to hold my nose to sit through this thing. Really disgusting. I don't know how anyone could stand it. All that blabbering and third-grade epistemology. How is it anyone was fooled by this idiot.
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13 years ago
elena
13 years ago
elena
Quotefreedom fighter The closer I get to accomplishing something I start hearing what I was always told before leaving the cult. "You're never going to have success. You'll lose everything, your talent, people, no one will want you because you'll be in total darkness forever if you turn your back on us." It's amazing how many people believe their souls will bur
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13 years ago
elena
It's been shown through many studies and trials that exercise is as effective as pharmaceuticals are in the treatment of depression. The best outcome, clinically, is brought about by a combination of exercise and "talk-therapy." Some people are too low for that and for them drugs may be indicated but if you can get to a gym or hit the streets you can counteract the bad "vibe
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13 years ago
elena
LOLOL... They can never stray too far from L. Ron Hubbard's concept of ~create,~ as in "I create my own reality," or "A Source creates something from nothing," or "create a life you love." Scientology (and Landmark and most of the other derivatives) are all about ~creating~ what you want. The "clear," "OT," or "transformed" on
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13 years ago
elena
Quotevlinden Even just a few days ago he told me he was "bewildered" by my interest in Landmark. Bewildered. Why? Because he hadn't READ ANYTHING THAT I SENT HIM. If he had, he'd understand my concerns, wouldn't he?? Followers are discouraged from reading, listening, or looking at anything critical of the group. They are taught that critics are negative, cynical, b
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13 years ago
elena
Quotevlinden Also, how does Landmark generally handle issues of health. He has a few serious health problems that are NOT in his head. What does LE tell people about illness. doctors, taking medication? Any insight is appreciated. Though they will insist that they do not provide medical or psychological treatment and deny any connection with their programs, they know many people see
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13 years ago
elena
QuoteSteve989"But what galls me beyond belief is the notion that the past can be "erased."" Elena, that was one of the major issues I had with my wife. I asked her when she left if she had forgotten she had children that cared about her. It was as if they did not exist. I could understand a woman leaving a spouse because she's not happy in the marriage, but to thr
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13 years ago
elena
The fact that they've gotten his $850 already will make him all the more determined to take the course. They know this. That's why they are so persistent about getting the money up front. It's right out of Cialdini's book, "Influence," and the rationale behind most deposits, down payments, or reserves. He CAN ask for and get a refund, though these creeps know the
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13 years ago
elena
I'm pretty sure that "being in the moment" stuff is a mild hypnotic state with a suspension of normal thought processes to allow the follower to disengage from problematic intellectual confrontations or arguments. They "zone out" in other cults and sometimes chant or sing to themselves so as not to have to hear what you are saying. Any difficult question can elicit thi
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13 years ago
elena
Quotevlinden I'm reading about the roots of all this, back to Werner and L. Ron, and Jack Parsons and Crowley, the early black magic and sex magic days, the occult roots. I have some experience in that interesting realm as well, so all of this is falling into place for me. There's an interesting chapter in Mike Davis's book, "City of Quartz," on those subjects.
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13 years ago
elena
They found some weakness in his defense system and bored their way in. That's how they do it. They are like an infection or some sneaky parasite in that regard. Worst thing is that their breach requires collusion -- he invited them in. It's the ongoing collusion that gets you, watching the thing happen. He should have been ruled out at the outset, with his history. Did he really
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13 years ago
elena
Just a thought, No one's really picked up on the Landmark aspect of the Darren & Charla Mack case. As you may or may not know, they were both heavily involved and it looks to have influenced their lives to the extent of murder and prison. Nope, Landmark has pretty much skated on this one when they should have been front and center in the press, IMO. It's just so typical. In t
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13 years ago
elena
I just found some old stuff that might interest you. I posted it to usenet and you can pull it up on alt.fan.landmark Ellen
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13 years ago
elena
I can't see this on my computer. Anybody got a way to post it to YouTube? Ellen
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13 years ago
elena
They've changed the courses and content so I can't tell you when they might do this now. Several old-timers have written about "Sex Night" during the "Six Day," which is now the "Advanced," I guess. You can search on afl (alt.fan.landmark) and pull up "estie's" old posts. She pretty much deprogrammed herself on the internet and her posts
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13 years ago
elena
Just an aside: A directive from Werner Erhard instructed people to disassociate sex from love and that one had/has nothing to do with the other. It was a direct lift from the mind and stone-cold heart of a sociopath who wanted to both excuse his own dalliances and justify his behavior. Earlier followers hung on every utterance from the guru's mouth and accepted as gospel his sick and tw
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13 years ago
elena
You bet. And don't you just love the "Landmark influence," as Zorro puts it, in these people's lives? I'd like to hear some examples Zorro has sniffed out. Ellen
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
13 years ago
elena
Here ya go: Murder in Reno the biggest little city in the world: on a Monday morning, Darren Mack knifed his wife, shot a judge, and booked it to a swinger's joint across the Mexican border. It's a story straight from a daytime soap opera--or, as it happens, from the hometown streets of writer Amanda Robb. An inside look at domestic homicide, Reno-style. (TRUE CRIME) Pu
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14 years ago
elena
QuoteEnviro_CopWhat is the normal time frame from induction into a LGAT to ending a relationship? My marriage ended just shy of three months after my wife attended a LGAT. She said the only way she wanted to work on our relationship was for me to attend Discovery-Training LGAT, because I wouldn’t understand until I experienced it. One lady I know of came home from her second weekend and a
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